# How to get more people to play eve **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Tags:** community\ **Created:** [March 5, 2019, 9:00am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-get-more-people-to-play-eve/144040 "2019-03-05T09:00:09Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 42
**Author:** ![Elena\_Laskova](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/elena_laskova/32/11436_2.png) [@Elena\_Laskova](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Elena_Laskova)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2019, 11:20am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-get-more-people-to-play-eve/144040/833 "2019-04-14T11:20:48Z")
> [@Pix\_Severus](#): > > […] > Sound familiar? The only difference between EVE and Rust is that Rust players don’t cry for PvP to be removed from the game whenever they die, funny that. > […] Pix Nice post, except for this bit. EVE players don’t actually do this. It only seems so because it’s the standard “bittervet response” to any attempt at constructive discussion on a wide range of topics. The whole “biitervet narrative” was a collection of transparent lies supported by repetition and stridency rather than rational argument when I was first exposed to it around ten years ago. If anything, it’s gotten worse since then. The counter-argument is simple and irrefutable: _EVE isn’t perfect. Improvement is possible._ ---
**Author:** ![Traco\_Miritu](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/traco_miritu/32/130952_2.png) [@Traco\_Miritu](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Traco_Miritu)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2019, 11:54am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-get-more-people-to-play-eve/144040/834 "2019-04-14T11:54:35Z")
> [@Omnathious\_Deninard](#): > > Reasonable change is subjective. > EVE is a single shard PVP dystopia, does your suggestion change this? If it does it’s bad for the game. > CCP has made a profit for many years with marking a game for a Niche market. Not even close of making enough profit regarding the pearl abyss demands of 400 millions in the next years. You can sweettalk and throw it around as you like but ONLY the mainstream will create this much money… The consequence would be a closed server so we have to decide what is more important,the survival of the game or a consistent game like we did for 15 years. I would choose the survival and reconstruction of the game. ---
**Author:** ![Traco\_Miritu](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/traco_miritu/32/130952_2.png) [@Traco\_Miritu](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Traco_Miritu)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2019, 11:56am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-get-more-people-to-play-eve/144040/835 "2019-04-14T11:56:26Z")
> [@Jonah\_Gravenstein](#): > > No longer Eve, it’ll just look like it. So what. Who cares if it not “your eve” anymore as long as the game survives…? > [@Jonah\_Gravenstein](#): > > Source for this claim please, afaik PA haven’t demanded a return of that magnitude on their purchase of CCP. It’s here in this forum i guess the thread when the sale was announced… They demanded an extra 400 million profit not a return of their investment…i’t’s part of the deal… ---
**Author:** ![Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jonah_gravenstein/32/386819_2.png) [@Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jonah_Gravenstein)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2019, 11:56am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-get-more-people-to-play-eve/144040/836 "2019-04-14T11:56:52Z")
> [@Traco\_Miritu](#): > > pearl abyss demands of 400 millions in the next years Source for this claim please, afaik PA haven’t demanded a return of that magnitude on their purchase of CCP. > [@Traco\_Miritu](#): > > Who cares if it not “your eve” anymore as long as the game survives…? Judging by how many have called you out on your idiocy, many people. ---
**Author:** ![BDVannessa\_LSG](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/bdvannessa_lsg/32/128854_2.png) [@BDVannessa\_LSG](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/BDVannessa_LSG)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2019, 11:56am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-get-more-people-to-play-eve/144040/837 "2019-04-14T11:56:52Z")
> [@Pix\_Severus](#): > > - You lose anything you were carrying upon death > - You can mine resources, and become more efficient at it as your tools progress > - You can build bases, which can also be attacked by anyone > - PvP is decided by n+1, or in the case of an even fight, whoever had the best equipment/tactics > - You can scam, steal, backstab, and coerce others, and it is all legal In Rust you can set up your own private server and set all rules as you want. That is degree of dreedom Eve do not have. That is great advanage over Eve and reason why new gamers go to Rust not Eve. Anyone can set up server and do not have to listen veterans “How to play Rust/Eve” 😝 ---
**Author:** ![Traco\_Miritu](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/traco_miritu/32/130952_2.png) [@Traco\_Miritu](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Traco_Miritu)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2019, 12:00pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-get-more-people-to-play-eve/144040/838 "2019-04-14T12:00:44Z")
> [@Jonah\_Gravenstein](#): > > Judging by how many have called you out on your idiocy, many people. And many reasonable beside those bittervets support me so what is your point? ---
**Author:** ![Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jonah_gravenstein/32/386819_2.png) [@Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jonah_Gravenstein)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2019, 12:01pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-get-more-people-to-play-eve/144040/839 "2019-04-14T12:01:17Z")
> [@Traco\_Miritu](#): > > They demanded an extra 400 million profit not a return of their investment…i’t’s part of the deal… Links or it didn’t happen, 400(ish million) was the purchase price including a bonus; no details were revealed on what Pearl Abyss expect in order for CCP to earn the bonus, or what they expect in the future. > [@Traco\_Miritu](#): > > And many reasonable beside those bittervets support me so what is your point? You keep claiming to represent people or have their support, yet we have no one’s word for it but your own. ---
**Author:** ![Traco\_Miritu](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/traco_miritu/32/130952_2.png) [@Traco\_Miritu](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Traco_Miritu)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2019, 12:02pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-get-more-people-to-play-eve/144040/840 "2019-04-14T12:02:57Z")
> [@Jonah\_Gravenstein](#): > > Links or it didn’t happen, 400(ish million) was the purchase price including a bonus; no details were revealed on what Pearl Abyss expect in order for CCP to earn the bonus, or what they expect in the future. You will not bring me to search a threat of 1000+ posts for this…do it yourself…i claim it to be true,if you do not believe me proof me wrong…but i doubt you will… ---
**Author:** ![Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jonah_gravenstein/32/386819_2.png) [@Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jonah_Gravenstein)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2019, 12:04pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-get-more-people-to-play-eve/144040/841 "2019-04-14T12:04:43Z")
> [@Traco\_Miritu](#): > > i claim it to be true As the person making the initial claim, the burden of proof is on you. > **Burden of proof:** When two parties are in a discussion and one makes a claim that the other disputes, the one who makes the claim typically has a _burden of proof_ to justify or substantiate that claim especially when it challenges a perceived _status quo_ .[[1]](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burden_of_proof_(philosophy)#cite_note-1) This is also stated in [Hitchens’s razor](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hitchens%27s_razor). Carl Sagan proposed a related criterion, the [Sagan standard](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sagan_standard), “extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence”.[[2]] You made the claim, without any evidence. I can thus dismiss it without evidence. If such a thing was true there would be far more discussion about it on the forums. ---
**Author:** ![Traco\_Miritu](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/traco_miritu/32/130952_2.png) [@Traco\_Miritu](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Traco_Miritu)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2019, 12:05pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-get-more-people-to-play-eve/144040/842 "2019-04-14T12:05:22Z")
It’s like always.things are said and months later people like you try to sell it as it was never said…because it does not fit into your agenda. Proof me wrong… ---
**Author:** ![Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jonah_gravenstein/32/386819_2.png) [@Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jonah_Gravenstein)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2019, 12:07pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-get-more-people-to-play-eve/144040/843 "2019-04-14T12:07:12Z")
Au Contraire I, and many other people, would be extremely interested in what rewards PA expect to reap from CCP If such a thing had been published, we’d be all over it like flies on dogshit. ---
**Author:** ![Traco\_Miritu](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/traco_miritu/32/130952_2.png) [@Traco\_Miritu](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Traco_Miritu)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2019, 12:09pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-get-more-people-to-play-eve/144040/844 "2019-04-14T12:09:00Z")
> [@Jonah\_Gravenstein](#): > > Au Contraire > > I, and many other people, would be extremely interested in what rewards PA expect to reap from CCP > > If such a thing had been published, we’d be all over it like flies on dogshit. I said what pa demands… If you don’t like it i’m not here to sweettalk this… ---
**Author:** ![Tawney\_Sandor](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tawney_sandor/32/180517_2.png) [@Tawney\_Sandor](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Tawney_Sandor)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2019, 12:09pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-get-more-people-to-play-eve/144040/845 "2019-04-14T12:09:14Z")
Sure fire winner: Figure out a way to Monetize Eve (think YouTube) - allow people to make real life money by playing Eve. That might be worth expending 8, 12 or even 24 hours playing the game (like I USED to do when my life was different) ---
**Author:** ![Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jonah_gravenstein/32/386819_2.png) [@Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jonah_Gravenstein)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2019, 12:12pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-get-more-people-to-play-eve/144040/846 "2019-04-14T12:12:22Z")
> [@Traco\_Miritu](#): > > I said what pa demands… I just said that I’d be interested in seeing what those demands are. I used different words but the meaning is the same. As I know of no such source for their demands I’m asking you where to find them; as you claim to have knowledge that isn’t known by others, including myself. ---
**Author:** ![Traco\_Miritu](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/traco_miritu/32/130952_2.png) [@Traco\_Miritu](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Traco_Miritu)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2019, 12:14pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-get-more-people-to-play-eve/144040/847 "2019-04-14T12:14:02Z")
> [@Jonah\_Gravenstein](#): > > I just said that I’d be interested in seeing what those demands are. I used different words but the meaning is the same. > > As I know of no such source for their demands I’m asking you where to find them; as you claim to have knowledge that isn’t known by others, including myself. So searching the threat i mentioned earlier is no option? I will NOT do it for you because it’s 1000+ posts…do it yourself… ---
**Author:** ![Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jonah_gravenstein/32/386819_2.png) [@Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jonah_Gravenstein)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2019, 12:19pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-get-more-people-to-play-eve/144040/848 "2019-04-14T12:19:57Z")
> [@Traco\_Miritu](#): > > I will NOT do it for you because it’s 1000+ posts…do it yourself… You’re making the claim that their demands are publicly available, it is commonly accepted that the maker of a claim is the one that provides a case for it, in this case a post in a thread that supposedly lays out the demands that PA expect to be fulfilled by their purchase of CCP, expected rewards and demands being essentially the same thing. Without that you have nothing. You’re right in that I’m not going to search the thread you mentioned, it’s a pointless exercise because if such a thing had been posted you can be damn sure that we wouldn’t be speculating about what PA want from CCP; because we’d know, for a fact. > Proof me wrong Sorry you can’t prove that something doesn’t exist, only that it does. See scientific method vs the existence of god. There’s evidence of absence, as in the post you claim exists doesn’t actually appear to; it’s either that or both my googlefu and forumsearchfu are woefully lacking. The former is far more likely than the latter as the content of the post that you claim exists isn’t the subject of hot debate. ---
**Author:** ![Maekchu](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/maekchu/32/178692_2.png) [@Maekchu](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Maekchu)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2019, 12:30pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-get-more-people-to-play-eve/144040/849 "2019-04-14T12:30:39Z")
_“The earth is flat! There is unmistakable proof of this being the truth. Everyone who believes earth is a globe needs to wake up.”_ _“Do you have any proof that the earth is flat?”_ _“If you do not believe me, prove me wrong! I don’t have to prove anything to you. I don’t have the time to produce the necessary experiments. However, the earth is flat. Many people agree with me. Prove me wrong, but I doubt you will succeed.’”_ The scientific illiteracy of people is, in my opinion, starting to be a rather serious issue affecting our societies. If only it was happening on these forums, I wouldn’t give it a thought. However, this kind of thinking and reasoning, seems to be a trending way for people to argue about stuff. ---
**Author:** ![Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jonah_gravenstein/32/386819_2.png) [@Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jonah_Gravenstein)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2019, 12:32pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-get-more-people-to-play-eve/144040/850 "2019-04-14T12:32:44Z")
> [@Maekchu](#): > > Do you have any proof that the earth is flat? The turtle moves. ![image](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/2/2/22bafb8bce594a4a3e485a338fe559be11592b72.jpeg) > The scientific illiteracy of people is, in my opinion, starting to be a rather serious issue affecting our societies. If only it was happening on these forums, I wouldn’t give it a thought. However, this kind of thinking and reasoning, seems to be a trending way for people to argue about stuff. Combined with the politician like deflection and sidestepping it’s almost like witnessing a sentient hairpiece, with a digitally challenged orange life support system attached, in action. ---
**Author:** ![BDVannessa\_LSG](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/bdvannessa_lsg/32/128854_2.png) [@BDVannessa\_LSG](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/BDVannessa_LSG)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2019, 2:28pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-get-more-people-to-play-eve/144040/851 "2019-04-14T14:28:01Z")
> [@Jonah\_Gravenstein](#): > > Eve Online, a game that has been dying so long that it’s a shambling wreck feeding on the tears and corpses of the unwise. I’ll tell you current state of Eve but I’ll be banned again, true hurts community manager, a lot. 😂 ---
**Author:** ![BDVannessa\_LSG](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/bdvannessa_lsg/32/128854_2.png) [@BDVannessa\_LSG](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/BDVannessa_LSG)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2019, 2:34pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-get-more-people-to-play-eve/144040/852 "2019-04-14T14:34:22Z")
> [@Jonah\_Gravenstein](#): > > Links or it didn’t happen I’ll tell you a big secert NO MATTER WHAT YOU THINK IT HAPPEN and you’re not at all important/relevan in all this, you are just one customer, not best one, but when better customers come ingame ccp will get rid of you. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-get-more-people-to-play-eve/144040.md?page=41) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-get-more-people-to-play-eve/144040.md?page=43)