# How to get more people to play eve **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Tags:** community\ **Created:** [March 5, 2019, 9:00am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-get-more-people-to-play-eve/144040 "2019-03-05T09:00:09Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 54
**Author:** ![Lugburz](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lugburz/32/486230_2.png) [@Lugburz](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Lugburz)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2019, 8:06pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-get-more-people-to-play-eve/144040/1073 "2019-04-17T20:06:46Z")
IF people want to put up structures to make ££££ out of them then these NEED to be wardeckable; otherwise its the first person who spams one up on a moon wins and fk everyone else… then they stop playing… ANYONE with half a brain cell can see this is true. HOWEVER it was not the point of utter safety for everyone that was an issue for many and in fact non pvp is worse than non consensual; its what has shaped eve since the very beginning and it is STILL something many new beans wish to learn. Basing wardecks solely around structures takes a lot of this away when in reality what was needed was some regulation about who can deck who and why - and this being ONLY because a few people have abused the system. In many cases of war prepatch it was never that the newbros didnt want to fight, many of them did; but that the people they faced outmatched them in skill points and experience - so much so that the whole thing was utterly unbalanced. There are very few cases where someone should be unviable or unavailable for pvp and that again is easier to deal with than simply making ‘social’ corps. Yes neutral rr was a royal pita but if a system was coded a bit more technically i do not see how they couldnt have simply made it unviable to use more than two or three neutral at any one time. Similarly i do not see why they couldnt have added coding that would have simply made corps undeckable if the attacker has more than xxxx sp than the opposing corp. And i also think recruitment should be somewhat monitored or perhaps better advice given to the new players that join. ---
**Author:** ![Nuuri\_Naarian](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nuuri_naarian/32/131735_2.png) [@Nuuri\_Naarian](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nuuri_Naarian)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2019, 8:14pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-get-more-people-to-play-eve/144040/1074 "2019-04-17T20:14:15Z")
> [@Taloris\_Aldercain](#): > > I’ll just re-link this section I posted. > [@Traco\_Miritu](#): > > Look what other succesful games do and copy it… because of the natures of games you cant always copy and lob something in the game. camps some times (usually often) need other systems to make one work. copying x into eve would not work due to this fact A better answer to this would of been “copy it and improve its idea”. > [@Traco\_Miritu](#): > > What some people here refuse to take note of is that the expectation a player of today has is another one like it was 2003… I do not, and its very much why i am advocating for industry standard related updates. ---
**Author:** ![BDVannessa\_LSG](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/bdvannessa_lsg/32/128854_2.png) [@BDVannessa\_LSG](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/BDVannessa_LSG)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2019, 8:16pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-get-more-people-to-play-eve/144040/1075 "2019-04-17T20:16:26Z")
To make more people play Eve, Eve has to change. Someones here desperately trying to hide it here but they can not. Investors know that ! CCP employees know that ! Volunteers know that ! Players know that ! Only Hillmar has no courage or knowledge to do it … 😂 ---
**Author:** ![Solstice\_Projekt](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/solstice_projekt/32/503293_2.png) [@Solstice\_Projekt](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Solstice_Projekt)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2019, 8:21pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-get-more-people-to-play-eve/144040/1076 "2019-04-17T20:21:43Z")
He’s the Naari guy, who keeps making threads for attention, who got banned. He’s a caught liar and makes ■■■■ up _all_ the time. ---
**Author:** ![Maekchu](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/maekchu/32/178692_2.png) [@Maekchu](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Maekchu)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2019, 8:27pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-get-more-people-to-play-eve/144040/1077 "2019-04-17T20:27:17Z")
Yeah I know. I did have some decent discussion initially with the guy though, which is probably why I’ve kept going so far. “Decent” as in at least he provided me with some sources to read through, while not being super toxic. I like reading. However, I can see he has degenerated over the time. At least he admitted his mistake regarding the reference. So that is something. It’s hard, when it’s his words against his own. I should probably stop getting baited by these people in the first place, but it is always at least a few hours of entertainment. ---
**Author:** ![Nuuri\_Naarian](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nuuri_naarian/32/131735_2.png) [@Nuuri\_Naarian](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nuuri_Naarian)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2019, 8:28pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-get-more-people-to-play-eve/144040/1078 "2019-04-17T20:28:11Z")
> [@Lugburz](#): > > IF people want to put up structures to make ££££ out of them then these NEED to be wardeckable; Death is not en effective sink. YOu’d lose a lot more structures if they provided benefits but cost more isk then they generate to run. What should happen is things like athanors should not generate isk, whee things like raitur’s should. maybe we should look into a new class of stations that are trade based, they could be isk makers. then we could make a class for combat related ops only, and even covertops-cloakable stations (we basically have them now, with stations not being on the overview unless on grid). More importantly, we may want to start the topic on specific types of structures getting specific types of rigs. (ath, gets production, and raituru gets refining rigs; to balance it). In the end you should take away that deaths do not equal isk sinks (aside what you think they do not actually effect inflation). > [@Lugburz](#): > > HOWEVER it was not the point of utter safety for everyone that was an issue for many and in fact non pvp is worse than non consensual; Not true at all. The only ones advocating for these positions in high sec are code related entities and like minded players. bring me hordes of pvers saying that they should be suicided or forced into pvp. 50-100 would be good. > [@Lugburz](#): > > STILL something many new beans wish to learn. Proof / source this please. > [@Lugburz](#): > > Basing wardecks solely around structures takes a lot of this away when in reality what was needed was some regulation about who can deck who and why - and this being ONLY because a few people have abused the system. Its actually not a good way to do it at all. once code realizes that is not more advantageous to wardec spam the structures, high sec will get “eligible-nullified”. I think that eve is entire system will get abused at some point, especially of criminal actions go out of high sec. ---
**Author:** ![Lugburz](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lugburz/32/486230_2.png) [@Lugburz](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Lugburz)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2019, 8:37pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-get-more-people-to-play-eve/144040/1079 "2019-04-17T20:37:59Z")
> [@Nuuri\_Naarian](#): > > Death is not en effective sink It really is if people explode enough… > [@Nuuri\_Naarian](#): > > athanors should not generate isk > [@Nuuri\_Naarian](#): > > we should look into a new class of stations that are trade based _Blinks_ what? O\_o we DO have trade citadels… > [@Nuuri\_Naarian](#): > > covertops-cloakable stations (we basically have them now, with stations not being on the overview unless on grid I cannot stress enough how being seen on dscan is not being covert ops… > [@Nuuri\_Naarian](#): > > specific types of rigs. (ath, gets production, and raituru gets refining rigs That is backwards… > [@Nuuri\_Naarian](#): > > Not true at all. It is, factually true. > [@Nuuri\_Naarian](#): > > Proof / source this please. Speak to newbro’s… [quote=“Nuuri\_Naarian, post:1078, topic:144040”] once code realizes that is not more advantageous to wardec spam the structures,[/quote] CODE isnt really a wardec alliance… > [@Nuuri\_Naarian](#): > > high sec will get “eligible-nullified”. I think that eve is entire system will get abused at some point, especially of criminal actions go out of high sec. This statement somehow doesnt fit with your other statements tbvh… are you saying highsec will be abused if criminal actions are taken out of it? Isnt that exactly what your asking for??? ---
**Author:** ![Nuuri\_Naarian](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nuuri_naarian/32/131735_2.png) [@Nuuri\_Naarian](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nuuri_Naarian)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2019, 8:45pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-get-more-people-to-play-eve/144040/1080 "2019-04-17T20:45:04Z")
> [@Lugburz](#): > > It really is if people explode enough… we’d have to die 3 times what we do now to make it even start effecting the economy. > [@Lugburz](#): > > _Blinks_ > what? O\_o > we DO have trade citadels… Mediums do not exist, but i am talking about ones that specialize for it, like raitaru does production. > [@Lugburz](#): > > I cannot stress enough how being seen on dscan is not being covert ops… its stealth ish, not cloaked though (which’d id like) > [@Lugburz](#): > > That is backwards… Na it was intentional to be backwards, stability is better. > [@Lugburz](#): > > It is, factually true. factually false, and that makes it incorrect. > [@Lugburz](#): > > CODE isnt really a wardec alliance… they will be if we take suicide ganking out of high sec > [@Lugburz](#): > > are you saying highsec will be abused if criminal actions are taken out of it? > Isnt that exactly what your asking for??? Im saying the war eligible system is not actually all that effective at stopping station camping and abuse, i can just search for active corps, and pop them (easily done by recruitment). So to make high sec truly pve, we have to get rid of consensual war and criminal actions in high sec. ---
**Author:** ![Nuuri\_Naarian](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nuuri_naarian/32/131735_2.png) [@Nuuri\_Naarian](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nuuri_Naarian)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2019, 8:46pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-get-more-people-to-play-eve/144040/1081 "2019-04-17T20:46:16Z")
> [@BDVannessa\_LSG](#): > > Only Hillmar has no courage or knowledge to do it … 😂 That is why i wrote an email to the executive staff at the company that bought ccp, instructing them to terminate hilmar. ---
**Author:** ![Lugburz](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lugburz/32/486230_2.png) [@Lugburz](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Lugburz)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2019, 8:52pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-get-more-people-to-play-eve/144040/1082 "2019-04-17T20:52:25Z")
mate, your nuts. ---
**Author:** ![Taloris\_Aldercain](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/taloris_aldercain/32/317529_2.png) [@Taloris\_Aldercain](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Taloris_Aldercain)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2019, 8:53pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-get-more-people-to-play-eve/144040/1083 "2019-04-17T20:53:08Z")
@Nuuri_Naarian Sorry, I should’ve specified that I meant the section on the new players I would spend a few days with answering their questions and such rather than the entire linked post. (again though that section of points not being discussed at all when brought up the first time) > [@Nuuri\_Naarian](#): > > That is why i wrote an email to the executive staff at the company that bought ccp, instructing them to terminate hilmar. Well, looks like someone’s making full use of the new wardec system. ---
**Author:** ![Leah\_Crowleymass](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/leah_crowleymass/32/131904_2.png) [@Leah\_Crowleymass](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Leah_Crowleymass)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2019, 8:58pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-get-more-people-to-play-eve/144040/1084 "2019-04-17T20:58:21Z")
The insanity has gone on far too long, across too many posts and threads, so I am going to address the elephant in the room. The one nobody has mentioned. The third rail of this forum. Here goes… The proper word is “you’re”. Contraction for “you are”. As in “You’re freaking insane.” “Your” is is a determiner. As in “Your threads are freaking insane”. See also “their” vs. “there” vs. “they’re”. OK, hopefully we can now put a rest to the madness that is tearing us all apart. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Lugburz](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lugburz/32/486230_2.png) [@Lugburz](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Lugburz)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2019, 9:00pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-get-more-people-to-play-eve/144040/1085 "2019-04-17T21:00:42Z")
sorry, wasnt really paying too much attention to my grammar its true 😊 ---
**Author:** ![Leah\_Crowleymass](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/leah_crowleymass/32/131904_2.png) [@Leah\_Crowleymass](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Leah_Crowleymass)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2019, 9:02pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-get-more-people-to-play-eve/144040/1086 "2019-04-17T21:02:36Z")
No, man- **you’re** not the one I was going after- **your** posts are all good 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Lugburz](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lugburz/32/486230_2.png) [@Lugburz](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Lugburz)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2019, 9:08pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-get-more-people-to-play-eve/144040/1087 "2019-04-17T21:08:01Z")
> [@Lugburz](#): > > mate, your nuts. NAAWWW i dun goofed 😛 ---
**Author:** ![Cypr3ss\_Deteis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/cypr3ss_deteis/32/392947_2.png) [@Cypr3ss\_Deteis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Cypr3ss_Deteis)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2019, 9:09pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-get-more-people-to-play-eve/144040/1088 "2019-04-17T21:09:47Z")
> [@Lugburz](#): > > > mate, your nuts. > > NAAWWW i dun goofed 😛 Lol, a quick edit and no one would have been any the wiser… but NOW you’ve gone & done it!! Immortalised in a quote for all to see! 😃 PS You’re all crazy for still responding to \*\_Naarian please STAHP!!! Regards, Cypr3ss. ---
**Author:** ![Leah\_Crowleymass](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/leah_crowleymass/32/131904_2.png) [@Leah\_Crowleymass](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Leah_Crowleymass)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2019, 9:10pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-get-more-people-to-play-eve/144040/1089 "2019-04-17T21:10:41Z")
Got to love a man who owns his typos! 1000 Internet Credits\* to you, sir! \*Internet Credits have no actual cash value and cannot be redeemed for anything of worth other than general claims of badassery amongst your peers. Some restrictions may apply. Warranty void in Tennessee. ---
**Author:** ![MB\_ThePhotographer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mb_thephotographer/32/373722_2.png) [@MB\_ThePhotographer](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/MB_ThePhotographer)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2019, 12:34am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-get-more-people-to-play-eve/144040/1090 "2019-04-18T00:34:15Z")
I like how you think, but I still say that’s PVP also in “this game”. When you can outsmart a whole bunch of people without risking a ship! That’s as good as combat to me. Just not my style. (I cant sing “Wind Song” well enough, lol) > [@Dread\_Saboteur](#): > > social engineering In this game, that’s another thread… ---
**Author:** ![MB\_ThePhotographer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mb_thephotographer/32/373722_2.png) [@MB\_ThePhotographer](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/MB_ThePhotographer)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2019, 2:13am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-get-more-people-to-play-eve/144040/1091 "2019-04-18T02:13:23Z")
> [@Runa\_Yamaguchi](#): > > The answer is education. Educate new players on what not to do and why. > > For example, CODE would go out of business if miners/haulers were properly flown/fitted…but you just have to look at their zKB to see that they still have a limitless supply of dumb greedy miners/haulers. > > But really, even with education you are fighting against human nature so… “You cant fix stupid.” The game was hard and that’s why we played it. I don’t think most new players are looking for that level of facepalm/keyboard pounding/headset throwing gameplay. It was a niche game and CCP is trying to make it more mainstream despite Goon’s! lol > [@Elias\_enDiabel](#): > > Containment might work to keep a more level playing field, reduction of alliance sizes also; im not wholly against groups like goons myself but have to agree the ease in which they can run from one side to another and seemingly CCP’s push towards bigger battles and probably bigger groups can really only lead to one outcome. > I mean surely no one has failed to notice that the most popular streamers are solo and small gang pvpers? > So why does it feel like the games always being pushed out of this area to cater for large ‘dumb’ fleets where in reality its only one person doing anything at all? > IE i dont think people should be rewarded for simply forming a big group of ships that they dont really know what to do with, havent relly spent the time getting to know and with the sole objective of stomping on someone less than half the size. I don’t think you can contain Goon’s anymore. (or any big alliance perhaps?) They adapt faster than CCP can. If they could get all of them to try at once (wont happen, to many bots, lol) to REALLY F up the game, I think thy would stand at least a 50/50 chance! > [@BDVannessa\_LSG](#): > > Game reboot with crucial parameters changed. > [@Jonah\_Gravenstein](#): > > No longer Eve, it’ll just look like it. What he said… ---
**Author:** ![Elena\_Laskova](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/elena_laskova/32/11436_2.png) [@Elena\_Laskova](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Elena_Laskova)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2019, 5:30am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-get-more-people-to-play-eve/144040/1092 "2019-04-18T05:30:54Z")
I see the lunatics have started speaking “EVE cryptospeech” in the forum again. “PvP” is a real gaming term. It’s well defined, and it implies combat. Some time in the distant past, EVE players decided they wanted to claim activities like mining, trading, manufacturing etc were PvP. So 50K-odd EVE players redefined a term used consistently by millions of online gamers. Some EVE characteristics: - EVE is a PVE game - It’s competitive - It has “free-fire” PvP (the combat kind /lol.) - Equipment destroyed in combat is lost permanently (but the actual consequences are limited, because “nobody flies what they can’t afford to lose”) - It’s possible to “own” in-game areas. - It has very little combat overall - It has almost no balanced combat - Occasionally there are very large battles (i.e. much larger numbers of concurrent participants than can occur in most games) It would be quite interesting to investigate why so many EVE players feel the need to define activities like mining and and trading as PvP. It doesn’t add anything to the game, so it has to be a psychological thing. What are they trying to hide? [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-get-more-people-to-play-eve/144040.md?page=53) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-get-more-people-to-play-eve/144040.md?page=55)