# How to get more people to play eve **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Tags:** community\ **Created:** [March 5, 2019, 9:00am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-get-more-people-to-play-eve/144040 "2019-03-05T09:00:09Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 63
**Author:** ![Scipio\_Artelius](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/scipio_artelius/32/408264_2.png) [@Scipio\_Artelius](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Scipio_Artelius)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2019, 11:38am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-get-more-people-to-play-eve/144040/1260 "2019-04-21T11:38:53Z")
For some reason I’ve avoided this thread until now. I don’t know why, but most likely because the title of the thread to me, poses the wrong question/challenge. Here’s my TL;DR: **TL;DR:** It isn’t our role to get more people to play EVE. That’s CCP’s. But as a community, we can do a lot to help keep people once they find the game. **Longer response:** It’s CCP’s role to bring people to the game. It’s in their best interest to do so and they have marketing professionals to help with that. However once they are here, we can do a lot to provide a community that they want to stay part of. That’s the difficulty I have with a number of changes in recent years that have near eliminated some aspects of the game that gave EVE the reputation it has and the niche it fills, but that provided ways to weed out the truly toxic people. It’s allowed scumbags to thrive and to do far more damage than highsec pvpers, or lowsec gate camps, or nullbear F1 monkeys, etc. For example, take Naari Naarian. Claims to be a 2003 player, raising an Alliance of new players in highsec, yet he does nothing but scam those new players. In less than a week for example, he sought donations of 7.25 Billion from a group of new players, to fund further expansion of his scam alliance and for secret projects that involve funding purchases for himself: ![image](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/4/6/463d78ddce22176545fbe973cb3e7d7096afb2e1.png) ![image](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/f/8/f830f01e9202592422c8dc88fabdda823fc6973d.png) ![image](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/c/7/c725cb34bb6b29b49c26298a5a27ff813e4b27fd.png) A Procurer BPO is 1.4 Billion, not 2 Billion. I have heard he uses excess ISK from his scams to fund PLEX so he can play as an Omega, by continuously asking for donations from his new player corp/alliance members. No evidence of that yet, but it does go with the style of his play. A 2003 player, can’t even fund 250 million for Corp expansion and needs to scam it from new players that don’t know any better. He charges 1 Billion ISK non-refundable for members to take on certain roles and spams them to take them on whenever he can: ![image](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/3/1/31c4fc72d8f09793b0fb09587f713f29e94433b9.png) Instead of fixing up his own security, he instead threatens his new players with 250 million ISK fines for mining into cans: ![image](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/9/a/9a1ba1427705cc2f9303df38924503b4aace1e98.png) And now, after making enemies of everyone in the forum through his inconsistent information and lies, he has himself wardecced. Instead of being adult about that, he’s now kicking people, even the good people in his Corp after he let in several gankers and awoxers: ![image](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/d/4/d490751cdc354de4eb691f975b0b09a85e90e612.png) After promoting new players to move their stuff into his Raitaru (which he didn’t pay for but got through other Corp members), he’s now locked them away and forced those new players into using asset safety at 15% cost to them individually. Many of these players don’t have the ISK to cover that at this point in their time in game. And of course, he changed the Corporate tax rate to 100% (it’s changed back again now, but he just does these things for short periods of time when he knows it will advantage him): ![image](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/6/d/6dfc7fd7b8ab49b7b34395968120b1b187097704.png) New players don’t understand what this means. They don’t see that he is directly stealing from their time in game. They just see how hard it is to get into the game because they rat and mine and do the other things that new players do, and the person they think they are following, is stealing from them constantly. How do we get more people to play? We get rid of scumbag liars like this. We look after new players properly (no matter what their preferred playstyle, whether it’s highsec pvpers, industry, mining, ganking, whatever). We help them and teach them how to play the game. Don’t act like Naari. That alone is a good start. ---
**Author:** ![Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jonah_gravenstein/32/386819_2.png) [@Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jonah_Gravenstein)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2019, 12:06pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-get-more-people-to-play-eve/144040/1261 "2019-04-21T12:06:23Z")
> [@Scipio\_Artelius](#): > > A Procurer BPO is 1.4 Billion, not 2 Billion. I’d sell mine for 2 billion, but I’d have to find a mug dumb enough to offer 40+% over market value first. ---
**Author:** ![Cypr3ss\_Deteis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/cypr3ss_deteis/32/392947_2.png) [@Cypr3ss\_Deteis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Cypr3ss_Deteis)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2019, 12:17pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-get-more-people-to-play-eve/144040/1262 "2019-04-21T12:17:14Z")
> [@Jonah\_Gravenstein](#): > > if you don’t count dying to NPCs. Heh, don’t let that “not counted in statistics” line fool you, we’re counting… oh yes sir we _are_ **counting**. 😛 Regards, Cypr3ss ---
**Author:** ![Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jonah_gravenstein/32/386819_2.png) [@Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jonah_Gravenstein)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2019, 12:18pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-get-more-people-to-play-eve/144040/1263 "2019-04-21T12:18:47Z")
lol have you seen my killboard? ---
**Author:** ![Cypr3ss\_Deteis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/cypr3ss_deteis/32/392947_2.png) [@Cypr3ss\_Deteis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Cypr3ss_Deteis)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2019, 12:23pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-get-more-people-to-play-eve/144040/1264 "2019-04-21T12:23:15Z")
LOL, I hafta admit up until ~30 secs ago I had not 😃 But _now_ I do see there were… let’s call them “the troubles” ~2013, but apart from that, not too shabby 😉 Regards, Cypr3ss. ---
**Author:** ![Elena\_Laskova](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/elena_laskova/32/11436_2.png) [@Elena\_Laskova](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Elena_Laskova)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2019, 12:30pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-get-more-people-to-play-eve/144040/1265 "2019-04-21T12:30:33Z")
“Killboards” are another (minor) reason not to play EVE. They discourage “learning by losing”, which is the only practical way to learn combat in any MMO I’ve ever played. They encourage “killing for stats”, which just makes an already negative characteristic of EVE (far too much one-sided combat) even worse. ---
**Author:** ![Nicolai\_Serkanner](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nicolai_serkanner/32/358049_2.png) [@Nicolai\_Serkanner](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nicolai_Serkanner)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2019, 12:51pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-get-more-people-to-play-eve/144040/1266 "2019-04-21T12:51:53Z")
> [@Scipio\_Artelius](#): > > How do we get more people to play? We get rid of scumbag liars like this. Bollocks. Lots of players join or have joined because you can actually play the game this way, myself being one of them. ---
**Author:** ![Omnathious\_Deninard](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/omnathious_deninard/32/266675_2.png) [@Omnathious\_Deninard](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Omnathious_Deninard)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2019, 1:02pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-get-more-people-to-play-eve/144040/1267 "2019-04-21T13:02:02Z")
> [@Nicolai\_Serkanner](#): > > > [@Scipio\_Artelius](#): > > > > How do we get more people to play? We get rid of scumbag liars like this. > > Bollocks. Lots of players join or have joined because you can actually play the game this way, myself being one of them. While that is true, the player he is referencing is on another level. ---
**Author:** ![Runa\_Yamaguchi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/runa_yamaguchi/32/197532_2.png) [@Runa\_Yamaguchi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Runa_Yamaguchi)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2019, 1:27pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-get-more-people-to-play-eve/144040/1268 "2019-04-21T13:27:57Z")
You sir should get a medal… ---
**Author:** ![Runa\_Yamaguchi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/runa_yamaguchi/32/197532_2.png) [@Runa\_Yamaguchi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Runa_Yamaguchi)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2019, 1:32pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-get-more-people-to-play-eve/144040/1269 "2019-04-21T13:32:17Z")
> They discourage “learning by losing” Another cute sound bite where you fail to say HOW… > far too much one-sided combat You can play your whole NE life without firing a shot or arming your ship…but that’s not good enough for you as you… ---
**Author:** ![Lugburz](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lugburz/32/486230_2.png) [@Lugburz](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Lugburz)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2019, 1:40pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-get-more-people-to-play-eve/144040/1271 "2019-04-21T13:40:43Z")
If you know any good members that have been kicked throw them my way, were not a perfect corp but the focus is more on having fun and improvement for pvp; i dont recall ever asking members for anything. The main difference between us and any other newbro group is we have less rules… well we have none really… and that any training is more along the lines of scouting, tackling and small gang/solo pvp. Would be a shame if they were to quit altogether. ---
**Author:** ![Omnathious\_Deninard](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/omnathious_deninard/32/266675_2.png) [@Omnathious\_Deninard](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Omnathious_Deninard)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2019, 1:46pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-get-more-people-to-play-eve/144040/1272 "2019-04-21T13:46:38Z")
> [@Lugburz](#): > > Would be a shame if they were to quit altogether. It’s unfortunate the damage he has caused will effect over 100 (probably new) players. ---
**Author:** ![Lugburz](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lugburz/32/486230_2.png) [@Lugburz](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Lugburz)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2019, 1:48pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-get-more-people-to-play-eve/144040/1273 "2019-04-21T13:48:24Z")
and he is also trying to run for csm? ---
**Author:** ![Omnathious\_Deninard](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/omnathious_deninard/32/266675_2.png) [@Omnathious\_Deninard](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Omnathious_Deninard)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2019, 1:49pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-get-more-people-to-play-eve/144040/1274 "2019-04-21T13:49:38Z")
Yes, he had a campaign thread, it got locked though. ---
**Author:** ![Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jonah_gravenstein/32/386819_2.png) [@Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jonah_Gravenstein)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2019, 2:25pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-get-more-people-to-play-eve/144040/1275 "2019-04-21T14:25:13Z")
> [@Nicolai\_Serkanner](#): > > Bollocks. Lots of players join or have joined because you can actually play the game this way, myself being one of them. There’s being a dick, which is fine in Eve, and then there’s being enough of a dick that even the other dicks think that you’re a dick for taking the dickery too far. As the trope states: even evil has standards. ---
**Author:** ![Nicolai\_Serkanner](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nicolai_serkanner/32/358049_2.png) [@Nicolai\_Serkanner](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nicolai_Serkanner)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2019, 3:43pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-get-more-people-to-play-eve/144040/1276 "2019-04-21T15:43:29Z")
> [@Omnathious\_Deninard](#): > > the player he is referencing is on another level. No, he is not. He takes what he is allowed to take. Exactly what the game is suppesod to allow. ---
**Author:** ![Nicolai\_Serkanner](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nicolai_serkanner/32/358049_2.png) [@Nicolai\_Serkanner](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nicolai_Serkanner)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2019, 3:45pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-get-more-people-to-play-eve/144040/1277 "2019-04-21T15:45:30Z")
> [@Jonah\_Gravenstein](#): > > There’s being a dick, which is fine in Eve, and then there’s being enough of a dick that even the other dicks think that you’re a dick for taking the dickery too far. No, if he is too big a dick, the players should do something about it. EvE is supposed to have players like him. It is what makes this game stand out from any other one. ---
**Author:** ![Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jonah_gravenstein/32/386819_2.png) [@Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jonah_Gravenstein)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2019, 3:46pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-get-more-people-to-play-eve/144040/1278 "2019-04-21T15:46:42Z")
> [@Nicolai\_Serkanner](#): > > No, if he is too big a dick, the players should do something about it Which is what appears to happening, he’s being battered and the refugees from his corp are being offered aid. Working as intended. ---
**Author:** ![Nicolai\_Serkanner](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nicolai_serkanner/32/358049_2.png) [@Nicolai\_Serkanner](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nicolai_Serkanner)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2019, 3:50pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-get-more-people-to-play-eve/144040/1281 "2019-04-21T15:50:53Z")
> [@Jonah\_Gravenstein](#): > > Which is what appears to happening, he’s being battered and the refugees from his corp are being offered aid. > > Working as intended. Great! I am part of BRAVE, Brave Newbies from its very beginnings. And for a good reason because new players deserve all the help they can get. Nevertheless the game is a better game with total psychos like him. And newbies need to be confronted with the likes of him, and not kept away. ---
**Author:** ![Nysta\_Miityew](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nysta_miityew/32/132401_2.png) [@Nysta\_Miityew](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nysta_Miityew)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2019, 4:26pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-get-more-people-to-play-eve/144040/1288 "2019-04-21T16:26:15Z")
> [@Nysta\_Miityew](#): > > I hope during some corp activities I can get some pointers and tips on basic fittings that won’t break the bank but also give me a fighting chance. An update to this! I did my very first ever fleet. It was a little confusing joining up with and being in a fleet at first but I got to be involved in a couple kills. Here’s my new favourite killmail! > **[Hurricane | AlexSpise A1 | Killmail](https://zkillboard.com/kill/76323269/)** > > AlexSpise A1 (Tribal Liberation Force) lost their Hurricane in Floseswin (Metropolis). Final Blow by Nysta Miityew (Dirt 'n' Glitter) flying in a Tormentor. Total Value: 77,958,903.67 ISK While it was fun I know we only got kills because we surprised and overpowered our enemies with over twice as many ships as the people we tackled. Scouts would fly around nearby systems calling out potential targets and movement of other groups. It was clear there were enemies in the local systems that knew what was up and were doing their own counter-intel reporting. In between that though I hope we didn’t roll over any newbies who had no idea what was going on. A new player, especially a solo player, could easily get called out as a target unknowingly and warped in on by a gang without ever knowing what happened. Being involved in this corp has really opened my eyes about how much an advantage coordinated play is! [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-get-more-people-to-play-eve/144040.md?page=62) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-get-more-people-to-play-eve/144040.md?page=64)