# How To Handle 'PvE Only' **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [October 30, 2022, 3:16pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-handle-pve-only/382418 "2022-10-30T15:16:10Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 10
**Author:** ![Wadiest\_Yong](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/wadiest_yong/32/426921_2.png) [@Wadiest\_Yong](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Wadiest_Yong)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2022, 9:32am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-handle-pve-only/382418/185 "2022-11-01T09:32:29Z")
> [@Ramona\_McCandless](#): > > CCP will finallly decide when I quit what ?! ---
**Author:** ![Defi\_Natalie\_NotAnAlt](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/defi_natalie_notanalt/32/352557_2.png) [@Defi\_Natalie\_NotAnAlt](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Defi_Natalie_NotAnAlt)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2022, 9:33am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-handle-pve-only/382418/186 "2022-11-01T09:33:46Z")
People do die to NPCs so I don’t believe that there would be no risk. If I accept your claim as true though, effort and time would still stop them being “worthless”. ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2022, 9:34am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-handle-pve-only/382418/187 "2022-11-01T09:34:17Z")
Im not playing any longer if they make a PvE only High Sec and theres been so many moves in that direction recently I just feel like Im done. ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2022, 9:36am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-handle-pve-only/382418/188 "2022-11-01T09:36:13Z")
> [@Defi\_Natalie\_NotAnAlt](#): > > People do die to NPCs How? > [@Defi\_Natalie\_NotAnAlt](#): > > effort and time would still stop them being “worthless”. Again, there’s no effort. Im so bored of this cyclical argument that has no purpose. The market would be static, prices for everything produced in HS would be rock bottom and the game would be a tedious slog. ---
**Author:** ![Wadiest\_Yong](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/wadiest_yong/32/426921_2.png) [@Wadiest\_Yong](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Wadiest_Yong)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2022, 9:40am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-handle-pve-only/382418/189 "2022-11-01T09:40:43Z")
The no-tether and non-dock thing on Sisi ? The last word hasn’t been said about this. But yeah, I understand what you’re saying. If ccp moves towards non-pvp aspects, while maintaining the “but oh, it’s only against griefing” I will seriously consider quitting for good, especially since the omega subs are not receiving any TLC - which normally they do around this time of year. They want to take as much plex and isk out of the game as they can with their current NES offers, to make the books look a bit better. And I even hope many more will follow suit if and when ccp moves to cater to the likes of these forum whiners. The economy is in shambles, we have to grind a lot more with the reduced isk generation and the increased costs and difficulty for building/replacing ships. There’s a point where it’s no longer enjoyable, only endurable in the hopes that ccp will come to its senses. And once past that point, it’s goodbye. I’m not blinded by the changes to the DBS in nullsec. It’s only one item on a long list of things gone wrong. And that by itself is not enough to make things right again. ---
**Author:** ![Defi\_Natalie\_NotAnAlt](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/defi_natalie_notanalt/32/352557_2.png) [@Defi\_Natalie\_NotAnAlt](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Defi_Natalie_NotAnAlt)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2022, 9:49am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-handle-pve-only/382418/190 "2022-11-01T09:49:26Z")
I don’t know how but it happens. [Zkillboard](https://zkillboard.com/asearch/#%7B%22buttons%22:%5B%22togglefilters%22,%22week%22,%22rolling%22,%22label-loc:highsec%22,%22label-npc%22,%22attackers-or%22,%22victims-or%22,%22sort-date%22,%22sort-desc%22,%22page1%22,%22victimsonly%22%5D,%22victims%22:%5B%7B%22type%22:%22groupID%22,%22id%22:%22543%22%7D,%7B%22type%22:%22groupID%22,%22id%22:%22463%22%7D%5D%7D). How can you say there’s no effort? Just undocking a ship and activating lasers takes effort. It’s “low effort” but not “no effort”. If the price dropped too much people in highsec would hopefully go after higher profit elsewhere. ---
**Author:** ![Wadiest\_Yong](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/wadiest_yong/32/426921_2.png) [@Wadiest\_Yong](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Wadiest_Yong)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2022, 9:50am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-handle-pve-only/382418/191 "2022-11-01T09:50:11Z")
> [@Defi\_Natalie\_NotAnAlt](#): > > Just undocking a ship and activating lasers takes effort. smh in disbelief then ROFLMAO 🤡 ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2022, 9:54am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-handle-pve-only/382418/192 "2022-11-01T09:54:21Z")
> [@Defi\_Natalie\_NotAnAlt](#): > > I don’t know how but it happens. Npc kills dont normally show up on KB so Im not sure what you are trying to show me. People do not get killed by belt rats and there is no threat from mossion rats as its all been mapped out ad naseum. You may as well say that there’s a risk from accidently self-destructing. > [@Defi\_Natalie\_NotAnAlt](#): > > How can you say there’s no effort? Just undocking a ship and activating lasers takes effort. No, it doesnt. Thats why bots find it easy to do. > [@Defi\_Natalie\_NotAnAlt](#): > > If the price dropped too much people in highsec would hopefully go after higher profit elsewhere. Why? Why would you want an empty high sec? Whats hopeful about that? ---
**Author:** ![Wadiest\_Yong](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/wadiest_yong/32/426921_2.png) [@Wadiest\_Yong](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Wadiest_Yong)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2022, 9:55am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-handle-pve-only/382418/193 "2022-11-01T09:55:52Z")
> [@Ramona\_McCandless](#): > > there is no threat from mossion rats as its all been mapped out ad naseum. Reading takes even more effort than “undocking and firing lasers”. Don’t have these unreasonable expectations, you elitist you. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Defi\_Natalie\_NotAnAlt](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/defi_natalie_notanalt/32/352557_2.png) [@Defi\_Natalie\_NotAnAlt](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Defi_Natalie_NotAnAlt)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2022, 9:59am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-handle-pve-only/382418/194 "2022-11-01T09:59:44Z")
They don’t go into stats, but that link takes you to an advanced search showing highsec exhumer and barge losses to NPCs, so they do happen. Bots find a lot of things easy to do, it’s still effort though. It doesn’t just happen on its own, it requires playtime and clicks to do it. Bots automate effort. It wouldn’t be empty. Not everyone would go elsewhere. ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2022, 10:02am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-handle-pve-only/382418/195 "2022-11-01T10:02:29Z")
> [@Defi\_Natalie\_NotAnAlt](#): > > but that link takes you to an advanced search showing highsec exhumer and barge losses to NPCs, so they do happen Wierd because it doesnt open for me. Anyone else able to verify those contents? > [@Defi\_Natalie\_NotAnAlt](#): > > it’s still effort though Pressing three buttons is not effort. > [@Defi\_Natalie\_NotAnAlt](#): > > It wouldn’t be empty. What difference would it make if it were? Its not like theyd be interacting. ---
**Author:** ![Defi\_Natalie\_NotAnAlt](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/defi_natalie_notanalt/32/352557_2.png) [@Defi\_Natalie\_NotAnAlt](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Defi_Natalie_NotAnAlt)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2022, 10:05am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-handle-pve-only/382418/196 "2022-11-01T10:05:39Z")
That’s strange. The link should look like this: ```auto https://zkillboard.com/asearch/#{"buttons":["togglefilters","recent","rolling","label-loc:highsec","label-npc","attackers-or","victims-or","sort-date","sort-desc","page1","victimsonly"],"victims":[{"type":"groupID","id":463},{"type":"groupID","id":543}]} ``` It’s not much effort, but it’s effort. It requires more than just logging on and so the rewards would not be free. The will be various minimum limits people will be willing to accept. ---
**Author:** ![Wadiest\_Yong](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/wadiest_yong/32/426921_2.png) [@Wadiest\_Yong](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Wadiest_Yong)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2022, 10:06am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-handle-pve-only/382418/197 "2022-11-01T10:06:37Z")
> [@Ramona\_McCandless](#): > > Wierd because it doesnt open for me. Anyone else able to verify those contents? Yep, works here. It’s as expected: diamond rats, drifters, even facpo. Always odd when these forum whiners can handle being shot down by the dumbest entities in the game (npc’s), but throw a tantrum when they get killed by players who at least have a functioning brain. Reason ? Perhaps their pride is at stake, perhaps they can always claim “hey, I was afk when those npc’s came at me, else I would have so not dieded”. ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2022, 10:06am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-handle-pve-only/382418/198 "2022-11-01T10:06:50Z")
You think a player should be rewarded for the “effort” of pressing 3 buttons? Id rather go elsewhere and play a game of luck and skill. ---
**Author:** ![Defi\_Natalie\_NotAnAlt](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/defi_natalie_notanalt/32/352557_2.png) [@Defi\_Natalie\_NotAnAlt](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Defi_Natalie_NotAnAlt)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2022, 10:09am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-handle-pve-only/382418/199 "2022-11-01T10:09:22Z")
Sure. Rewards shouldn’t be great and wouldn’t be but all effort should be rewarded if it keeps people in the game and active. ---
**Author:** ![Wadiest\_Yong](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/wadiest_yong/32/426921_2.png) [@Wadiest\_Yong](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Wadiest_Yong)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2022, 10:10am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-handle-pve-only/382418/200 "2022-11-01T10:10:57Z")
> [@Defi\_Natalie\_NotAnAlt](#): > > It’s not much effort, but it’s effort. It requires more than just logging on and so the rewards would not be free. Lol, Lucas, come off it, you had your fun. ![200w (4)](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/1/5/9/15980c4d1cced1e06f84c7284dcfa1bed60bbc8d.gif) ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2022, 10:12am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-handle-pve-only/382418/201 "2022-11-01T10:12:16Z")
> [@Defi\_Natalie\_NotAnAlt](#): > > all effort should be rewarded I think you are fairly alone in your definition of effort, Im afraid. I doubt the excitment of mining without threat would keep any more in HS doing it than there are now. ---
**Author:** ![Altara\_Zemara](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/altara_zemara/32/390110_2.png) [@Altara\_Zemara](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Altara_Zemara)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2022, 10:33am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-handle-pve-only/382418/202 "2022-11-01T10:33:39Z")
> [@Defi\_Natalie\_NotAnAlt](#): > > Noone has given me any evidence that safe zones are actually, objectively incompatible with the game No-one’s given me any evidence that playing the game while standing on one’s head and reciting the Kama Sutra backwards is incompatible with the game. ---
**Author:** ![Defi\_Natalie\_NotAnAlt](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/defi_natalie_notanalt/32/352557_2.png) [@Defi\_Natalie\_NotAnAlt](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Defi_Natalie_NotAnAlt)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2022, 11:02am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-handle-pve-only/382418/203 "2022-11-01T11:02:22Z")
It’s probably not then. ---
**Author:** ![Wadiest\_Yong](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/wadiest_yong/32/426921_2.png) [@Wadiest\_Yong](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Wadiest_Yong)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2022, 11:08am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-handle-pve-only/382418/204 "2022-11-01T11:08:47Z")
It’s probably improbable though Btw thanks for the entertainment, had a few good laughs. Now back to the reality of grinding. o7 [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-handle-pve-only/382418.md?page=9) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-handle-pve-only/382418.md?page=11)