# How To Handle 'PvE Only' **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [October 30, 2022, 3:16pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-handle-pve-only/382418 "2022-10-30T15:16:10Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 20
**Author:** ![Arya\_Yeshe](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arya_yeshe/32/397211_2.png) [@Arya\_Yeshe](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arya_Yeshe)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2022, 6:31pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-handle-pve-only/382418/387 "2022-11-02T18:31:12Z")
People will not stick around in EVE because today it’s a very learneable game, forget it One thing that helped people in this are skill injectors, daily alpha injectors… those are of help. Today maintaining the account is the challenge for the newcomer. So CCP did not do anything about that, so the fundamentals weren’t addressed by CCP or by the community, but now people are talking about a PvE Only server. HAHAHA ---
**Author:** ![QuakeGod](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/quakegod/32/480339_2.png) [@QuakeGod](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/QuakeGod)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2022, 6:32pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-handle-pve-only/382418/388 "2022-11-02T18:32:47Z")
> [@Arya\_Yeshe](#): > > Today maintaining the account is the challenge for the newcomer. If you can’t afford the subscription cost, then there are probably better things you need to be doing with your life than playing online video games… ---
**Author:** ![Arya\_Yeshe](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arya_yeshe/32/397211_2.png) [@Arya\_Yeshe](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arya_Yeshe)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2022, 6:33pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-handle-pve-only/382418/389 "2022-11-02T18:33:10Z")
While the fundamental part of the account that is keeping it running hasn’t some sort of help. there’s no point in making radical changes in EVE or asking for a new server That’s the whole point, why butcher the game if the problem is not mechanics? ---
**Author:** ![Arya\_Yeshe](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arya_yeshe/32/397211_2.png) [@Arya\_Yeshe](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arya_Yeshe)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2022, 6:34pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-handle-pve-only/382418/390 "2022-11-02T18:34:09Z")
People are not evading EVE because mechanics. It’s about the account maintenance ---
**Author:** ![Arya\_Yeshe](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arya_yeshe/32/397211_2.png) [@Arya\_Yeshe](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arya_Yeshe)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2022, 6:38pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-handle-pve-only/382418/391 "2022-11-02T18:38:06Z")
> [@T\_Elliot](#): > > I started an alpha account just to do fw with (I didn’t want to take my main out of my corp). I am having a lot of fun with just little frigates on my alpha account. My breacher is certainly not crap I’ll have you know! Analyzing your case is not meaningful here because it would not scientific, if you are a player out of the curve then you are not a good object for studying the average player since you are not an average player Scientific is looking at the biggest groups ---
**Author:** ![Arya\_Yeshe](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arya_yeshe/32/397211_2.png) [@Arya\_Yeshe](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arya_Yeshe)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2022, 6:39pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-handle-pve-only/382418/392 "2022-11-02T18:39:48Z")
CCP worked on many things and I like a lot of stuff specially the new tutorial and AIR But the account maintanance should be addressed, they need to change stuff in that before they start butchering the game itself ---
**Author:** ![T\_Elliot](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/t_elliot/32/453851_2.png) [@T\_Elliot](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/T_Elliot)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2022, 6:40pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-handle-pve-only/382418/393 "2022-11-02T18:40:45Z")
> [@Arya\_Yeshe](#): > > Today what is really better is: > > - learning EVE is really easy now Learning all the hidden skills in EvE is the most important single step to succeeding in the game. I am constantly amazed at all the people that come on the board and act like d-scanning is an esoteric art that is too difficult to do, so high sec pvp should be banned. ---
**Author:** ![QuakeGod](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/quakegod/32/480339_2.png) [@QuakeGod](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/QuakeGod)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2022, 6:41pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-handle-pve-only/382418/394 "2022-11-02T18:41:38Z")
That would require them to actually pay attention and not AFK, and we can’t have that… ---
**Author:** ![T\_Elliot](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/t_elliot/32/453851_2.png) [@T\_Elliot](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/T_Elliot)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2022, 6:42pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-handle-pve-only/382418/395 "2022-11-02T18:42:10Z")
> [@Arya\_Yeshe](#): > > Analyzing your case is not meaningful here because it would not scientific, if you are a player out of the curve then you are not a good object for studying the average player since you are not an average player > > Scientific is looking at the biggest groups Are you suggesting that you can scientifically prove that EvE is crap? ---
**Author:** ![Arya\_Yeshe](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arya_yeshe/32/397211_2.png) [@Arya\_Yeshe](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arya_Yeshe)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2022, 6:45pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-handle-pve-only/382418/396 "2022-11-02T18:45:13Z")
> [@T\_Elliot](#): > > Are you suggesting that you can scientifically prove that EvE is crap? You are confused or you are trying to create a problematic question on purpose As you know I was talking about EVE’s characteristics about it’s account maintenance ---
**Author:** ![zazzmatazz\_Xu](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zazzmatazz_xu/32/451037_2.png) [@zazzmatazz\_Xu](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/zazzmatazz_Xu)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2022, 6:57pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-handle-pve-only/382418/397 "2022-11-02T18:57:12Z")
> [@Ramona\_McCandless](#): > > If people think EvE is a game you can succeed at, or compete in, or rise to the top at, they _should_ quit. Correct and I agree wholeheartedly there is no point, yet people worry about bots, people get obsessed with bots, why? > [@Tzashrah\_Praankar](#): > > Bots if EvE were to go pve-only And here we are, the worriers about accumulation of in game assets and their value, if truly rising to the top doesn’t matter then why worry if bots make things super cheap. I can never understand this duality, they say it doesn’t matter then turn around and worry about bots, PVE payouts, farmers, and carebears, etc, etc. ---
**Author:** ![Altara\_Zemara](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/altara_zemara/32/390110_2.png) [@Altara\_Zemara](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Altara_Zemara)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2022, 6:58pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-handle-pve-only/382418/398 "2022-11-02T18:58:08Z")
> [@Defi\_Natalie\_NotAnAlt](#): > > I’m not being pulled off topic by you This is my thread in the first place. It was me who _defined_ the topic…which is **not** your endless rant against gankers. The topic is whether PvE Only is practical or even workable. How about you stick with it. ---
**Author:** ![Arya\_Yeshe](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arya_yeshe/32/397211_2.png) [@Arya\_Yeshe](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arya_Yeshe)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2022, 7:01pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-handle-pve-only/382418/399 "2022-11-02T19:01:21Z")
Pros on being a newcomer today: - much easier to learn - great rookie channel, as always - new tutorial is great - AIR carrer and rewards are fantastic - skill injectors of all sizes and alpha injectors - a ton of stuff on youtube - EVE streams CCP did a great job on those above! But in today’s time here is the new channelenge: - account maintenance What is linked to account maintenance: - initial state of the account - subscription - isk farming for Omega - payouts newcomers look for are flat, they never received any love - keeping Omega skills when losing Omega state - low alpha skill points, only 5 milions is too low - referal link confuses people who didn’t use it, give 1 mil sp or more - there’s a lot more skills to train today than 10-20 years ago ---
**Author:** ![QuakeGod](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/quakegod/32/480339_2.png) [@QuakeGod](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/QuakeGod)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2022, 7:03pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-handle-pve-only/382418/400 "2022-11-02T19:03:15Z")
> [@Arya\_Yeshe](#): > > low alpha skill points, only 5 milions is too low You can have 20 million SP as an Alpha… ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2022, 7:04pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-handle-pve-only/382418/401 "2022-11-02T19:04:16Z")
> [@Arya\_Yeshe](#): > > Not just that it’s more expensive now, the thing is that the rewards are still the same as 20 years ago > > Can you imagine? > For twenty years the prices went up but the rewards are the same, plus some nerfs here and there Please stop pushing this narrative; it’s categorically false. During the first few years of the game, 20 million ISK per hour was considered “high-end” income, and mining yields on average were about a third of what they are today. The time-cost per value ratio has gone down considerably over the years, because the game’s population has started skewing heaving toward PvE-only players who generate resources, whereas in the past the player base was more balanced, and production did not so severely outpace destruction. Nearly everything in the game, aside from PLEX (which is an external resource subject to real-life economics), has become cheaper as the years went by. ---
**Author:** ![Arya\_Yeshe](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arya_yeshe/32/397211_2.png) [@Arya\_Yeshe](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arya_Yeshe)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2022, 7:04pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-handle-pve-only/382418/402 "2022-11-02T19:04:40Z")
But they don’t train up to 20 mil in one go, they still stop at 5 mil, unless you do a thing ---
**Author:** ![QuakeGod](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/quakegod/32/480339_2.png) [@QuakeGod](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/QuakeGod)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2022, 7:05pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-handle-pve-only/382418/403 "2022-11-02T19:05:06Z")
So do that thing… ---
**Author:** ![zazzmatazz\_Xu](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zazzmatazz_xu/32/451037_2.png) [@zazzmatazz\_Xu](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/zazzmatazz_Xu)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2022, 7:05pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-handle-pve-only/382418/404 "2022-11-02T19:05:45Z")
> [@QuakeGod](#): > > do that thing But it’s PTW 🤪 ---
**Author:** ![T\_Elliot](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/t_elliot/32/453851_2.png) [@T\_Elliot](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/T_Elliot)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2022, 7:06pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-handle-pve-only/382418/405 "2022-11-02T19:06:34Z")
> [@Arya\_Yeshe](#): > > You are confused or you are trying to create a problematic question on purpose > > As you know I was talking about EVE’s characteristics about it’s account maintenance 🤣 At this point I honestly think I am confused. If you were not calling my breacher crap, I will apologies for annoying you. ---
**Author:** ![QuakeGod](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/quakegod/32/480339_2.png) [@QuakeGod](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/QuakeGod)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2022, 7:07pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-handle-pve-only/382418/406 "2022-11-02T19:07:09Z")
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