# How To Handle 'PvE Only' **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [October 30, 2022, 3:16pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-handle-pve-only/382418 "2022-10-30T15:16:10Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 23
**Author:** ![Altara\_Zemara](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/altara_zemara/32/390110_2.png) [@Altara\_Zemara](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Altara_Zemara)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2022, 12:08pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-handle-pve-only/382418/447 "2022-11-04T12:08:15Z")
> [@Defi\_Natalie\_NotAnAlt](#): > > I think that you’re misunderstanding of what EVE is though No, that would be you. Eve _is_, and has been, a place where ganking has existed for most of its history. It’s not something that was introduced last week. Thus ganking quite literally ‘is’ a part of Eve and has a long history as such. God knows what game you are talking about, but it isn’t Eve. ---
**Author:** ![Defi\_Natalie\_NotAnAlt](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/defi_natalie_notanalt/32/352557_2.png) [@Defi\_Natalie\_NotAnAlt](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Defi_Natalie_NotAnAlt)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2022, 12:25pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-handle-pve-only/382418/448 "2022-11-04T12:25:49Z")
Lots of things have been a part of EVE and yet were changed. Do you not see that the only reason you think things like ganking should never be changed but everything else is fine to change is just your bias? There is no reason why other game mechanics should be nerfed, drastically changed and even removed, but ganking should be exempt from change. ---
**Author:** ![Armorica\_Pulchra](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/armorica_pulchra/32/340236_2.png) [@Armorica\_Pulchra](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Armorica_Pulchra)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2022, 12:37pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-handle-pve-only/382418/449 "2022-11-04T12:37:45Z")
> [@Defi\_Natalie\_NotAnAlt](#): > > There is no reason why other game mechanics should be nerfed, drastically changed and even removed, but ganking should be exempt from change. They go along with changes that don’t affect them easily enough and when that happens then those affected are “whiners” and “carebears” "lazy"and “Snowflakes” But as soon as something disturbs their PvP dreamland then everyone is supposed to agree with their braying and forced to “pick a side”, like it’s a battle they’ll win against CCP. Hilarious. ---
**Author:** ![Max\_Deveron](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/max_deveron/32/245870_2.png) [@Max\_Deveron](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Max_Deveron)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2022, 12:42pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-handle-pve-only/382418/450 "2022-11-04T12:42:13Z")
> [@Defi\_Natalie\_NotAnAlt](#): > > I think that you’re misunderstanding of what EVE is though, since it’s not just for people who want a challenge This remark here shows the ignorance of the poster that said it. EvE was based off Elite, a challening game the original Developers wanted to be able to play with others…so they set out to create a MMO. EvE is for those that want a challenge and not really for those that dont. ---
**Author:** ![Defi\_Natalie\_NotAnAlt](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/defi_natalie_notanalt/32/352557_2.png) [@Defi\_Natalie\_NotAnAlt](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Defi_Natalie_NotAnAlt)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2022, 12:45pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-handle-pve-only/382418/451 "2022-11-04T12:45:51Z")
How much PvP was there in Elite? EVE is not just for those that want a challenge, irrespective of how much you want that to be true. ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2022, 12:57pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-handle-pve-only/382418/452 "2022-11-04T12:57:50Z")
> [@Defi\_Natalie\_NotAnAlt](#): > > EVE is not just for those that want a challenge Do you have evidence for that statement? ---
**Author:** ![Defi\_Natalie\_NotAnAlt](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/defi_natalie_notanalt/32/352557_2.png) [@Defi\_Natalie\_NotAnAlt](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Defi_Natalie_NotAnAlt)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2022, 1:00pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-handle-pve-only/382418/453 "2022-11-04T13:00:17Z")
The large number of mechanics that don’t offer much of a challenge that CCP continues to support. ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2022, 1:06pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-handle-pve-only/382418/454 "2022-11-04T13:06:08Z")
I thought you said mining was effort? ---
**Author:** ![Defi\_Natalie\_NotAnAlt](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/defi_natalie_notanalt/32/352557_2.png) [@Defi\_Natalie\_NotAnAlt](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Defi_Natalie_NotAnAlt)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2022, 1:18pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-handle-pve-only/382418/455 "2022-11-04T13:18:13Z")
I’m not sure which comment you’re referring to but effort and challenge are different things. As an example planet industry takes effort but is not challenging. EVE historically attracted people who want a challenge and people who want a casual space adventure in a player run universe. That’s why it’s a sandbox so it can be more than one thing. But now people who claim to like a challenge have decided that being challenging is the only thing EVE is built for and lambast anyone who doesn’t agree, even though a lot of them (like the gankers) don’t even have a challenging playstyle themselves. ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2022, 1:21pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-handle-pve-only/382418/456 "2022-11-04T13:21:02Z")
> [@Defi\_Natalie\_NotAnAlt](#): > > That’s why it’s a sandbox so it can be more than one thing. So if its more than one thing now, please stop lobbying to have it be only one thing. Thanks. ---
**Author:** ![Io\_Koval](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/io_koval/32/282426_2.png) [@Io\_Koval](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Io_Koval)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2022, 1:24pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-handle-pve-only/382418/457 "2022-11-04T13:24:44Z")
Careful, you’re going to drag it back into the same “No, _I’m_ not shrinking the sandbox, becuase _more players_” which might tread old ground again. How is talking to Scot treatin’ ya? ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2022, 1:26pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-handle-pve-only/382418/458 "2022-11-04T13:26:15Z")
Tbh I wasnt sure until he split that hair there. Feels good because now I dont have to keep going. ---
**Author:** ![Defi\_Natalie\_NotAnAlt](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/defi_natalie_notanalt/32/352557_2.png) [@Defi\_Natalie\_NotAnAlt](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Defi_Natalie_NotAnAlt)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2022, 1:28pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-handle-pve-only/382418/459 "2022-11-04T13:28:46Z")
I’m not lobbying for it to be one thing, I’m lobbying for more delineation between playstyles. ---
**Author:** ![Io\_Koval](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/io_koval/32/282426_2.png) [@Io\_Koval](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Io_Koval)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2022, 1:34pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-handle-pve-only/382418/460 "2022-11-04T13:34:23Z")
I could immediately tell when I felt the same familiar “can’t give 1 millimeter of ground to build a constructive discussion” vibe. First it was “No that post by CCP Swift after fanfest that said ganking is allowed in Eve wasn’t by a CCP employee; but it wasn’t made after fanfest; but I never said it shouldn’t be allowed; but you’re personally attacking me”. Then it was “That post that I said I never flag people and then admitted to flagging people; no I never said that; no you still didn’t quote me ever saying that; ok but it was in another thread and _there_ it is true; but you’re personally attacking me” And now it is that whole “I am advocating removing certain gameplay elements; I’m not shrinking the sandbox because there’d be more players; I’m still ignoring the capabilities of the sandbox decreasing; but pro-gankers just cry like whiny carebears all the time; but pro-gankers aren’t building constructive discussion while _I myself_ have been the utmost civil person here; but I’m ignoring all the times you’ve accepted my points and will continue to not budge from mine; but I’ve seen you personally attack people and don’t believe you”. Scot needs a new MO. ---
**Author:** ![Aisha\_Katalen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aisha_katalen/32/387724_2.png) [@Aisha\_Katalen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aisha_Katalen)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2022, 1:34pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-handle-pve-only/382418/461 "2022-11-04T13:34:36Z")
> [@Max\_Deveron](#): > > EvE was based off Elite No it was based on Ultima Online, a ruthless pvp sandbox MMO. It just happened to have spaceships (using a submarine game engine). ---
**Author:** ![Armorica\_Pulchra](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/armorica_pulchra/32/340236_2.png) [@Armorica\_Pulchra](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Armorica_Pulchra)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2022, 1:53pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-handle-pve-only/382418/462 "2022-11-04T13:53:13Z")
> [@Defi\_Natalie\_NotAnAlt](#): > > But now people who claim to like a challenge have decided that being challenging is the only thing EVE is built for and lambast anyone who doesn’t agree PvPers are the worst sort of players. Period. ---
**Author:** ![Defi\_Natalie\_NotAnAlt](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/defi_natalie_notanalt/32/352557_2.png) [@Defi\_Natalie\_NotAnAlt](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Defi_Natalie_NotAnAlt)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2022, 1:54pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-handle-pve-only/382418/463 "2022-11-04T13:54:58Z")
I don’t think I’d go that far, but EVE certainly has managed to attract a number of PvP players who seem intent on pushing out anyone that doesn’t think or play like them, probably because they’ve already been banned everywhere else. ---
**Author:** ![Armorica\_Pulchra](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/armorica_pulchra/32/340236_2.png) [@Armorica\_Pulchra](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Armorica_Pulchra)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2022, 1:57pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-handle-pve-only/382418/464 "2022-11-04T13:57:52Z")
> [@Defi\_Natalie\_NotAnAlt](#): > > I don’t think I’d go that far Maybe because you haven’t yet dealt with their entitled attitude and hateful behavior. They ruin every game they play and _they_ have ruined EVE more than CCP ever could. > [@Defi\_Natalie\_NotAnAlt](#): > > but EVE certainly has managed to attract a number of PvP players who seem intent on pushing out anyone that doesn’t think or play like them Tyrants throwing tentrums when logic trumps their fantasy. > [@Defi\_Natalie\_NotAnAlt](#): > > probably because they’ve already been banned everywhere else Bingo! ---
**Author:** ![Ax\_l\_Thorne](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ax_l_thorne/32/412835_2.png) [@Ax\_l\_Thorne](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ax_l_Thorne)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2022, 2:02pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-handle-pve-only/382418/465 "2022-11-04T14:02:38Z")
> [@Armorica\_Pulchra](#): > > PvPers are the worst sort of players. Period. They should totally be locked up in RL for all the psychological damage they do and the cyber bullying. These people are a menace to society in general. ---
**Author:** ![Defi\_Natalie\_NotAnAlt](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/defi_natalie_notanalt/32/352557_2.png) [@Defi\_Natalie\_NotAnAlt](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Defi_Natalie_NotAnAlt)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2022, 2:03pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-handle-pve-only/382418/466 "2022-11-04T14:03:19Z")
True. They get an instant block if they try to mail me or invite me to a conversation so I don’t see much of their attitude outside of the forum, but if this place is any indication of what they are like in game it’s pretty bad. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-handle-pve-only/382418.md?page=22) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-handle-pve-only/382418.md?page=24)