# How to make every type of player happy

**URL:** <https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-make-every-type-of-player-happy/190063>\
**Category:** Player Features & Ideas\
**Created:** [September 15, 2019, 12:25pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-make-every-type-of-player-happy/190063 "2019-09-15T12:25:24Z")\
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**Author:** ![Zhalyd\_Lyehin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zhalyd_lyehin/32/358574_2.png) [@Zhalyd\_Lyehin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zhalyd_Lyehin)\
**Post date:** [September 15, 2019, 1:02pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-make-every-type-of-player-happy/190063/5 "2019-09-15T13:02:57Z")

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> [@Darth\_Destroyer](#):
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> Result: they can not go so far because majority of EVE are just carebear hellokittens.

And the PVPers run away as soon as there is a little opposition, just like what they accuse carebears of.

Moreover: PVE is not the issue, PVE is the solution. [100% of PVP comes forth from PVE.](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-some-just-dont-get-it-the-noob-thread/176792/7) Without any exception. Instead of trashing on carebears, you need to make sure there are more of them so that you can farm them. You need to make sure they can earn their livelyhood so that these challenged elite PVPers can get their money from selling PLEX and to have enough targets around.

That does not mean that there have to be super cap umbrellas around at all. Quite the contrast, these tools should be completely neutered as they do not serve a good purpose in this EVE.

> [@Darth\_Destroyer](#):
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> The goal is to force these big dumb nullblocks to move around, and meanwhile they do it, they just burn their money in territory wars, and enjoying it, plus spinning the economy.

That is someone speaking about a thing they have not experienced at all. Sov wars are not fun at all as they mostly result in tidi lag fests and people not being able to farm a little bit in peace. Moving around constantly is also not enjoyable in the slightest.

> [@Darth\_Destroyer](#):
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> We also saw that with the Blackout, old and new adaptable and challenge thisty players came back to the game. They tought now it’s time to come back, because there is a chance they can make impact.

And they left again or started to “whine” (to employ a popular buzzword that certain individual use excessively) because there were not targets around.

> [@Darth\_Destroyer](#):
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> The important thing is that these new weapons and stuff should not be useable by any trillionaire/rich players, no matter how much money they have. These things should only be used by groups of people who can play really well together organized.

I suggest you watch [Clarion Call 4 and 3 to learn just how useless this suggestion is in the grand scheme of things.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LNUu75fH8Uc) These videos are also a testament of a time when things were better and blackout wasn’t yet necessary to keep things in check. It’s also from a time where EVE was actually developed and not just maintained or meme-rofl’d by the likes of Falcon just for shits and giggles.

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