# How to make ganking and AG a play style **URL:** \ **Category:** Crime & Punishment\ **Created:** [November 13, 2022, 9:08am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-make-ganking-and-ag-a-play-style/384272 "2022-11-13T09:08:37Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 10
**Author:** ![Firnikkar\_Firn](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/firnikkar_firn/32/344253_2.png) [@Firnikkar\_Firn](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Firnikkar_Firn)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2022, 8:02pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-make-ganking-and-ag-a-play-style/384272/228 "2022-11-27T20:02:26Z")
why are you asking stupid? you know perfectly well that I am a test subject in your laboratory and you implanted silicon in my brain? ---
**Author:** ![Ax\_l\_Thorne](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ax_l_thorne/32/412835_2.png) [@Ax\_l\_Thorne](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ax_l_Thorne)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2022, 9:01pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-make-ganking-and-ag-a-play-style/384272/229 "2022-11-27T21:01:28Z")
Silicon? 🤭 My poor diluted test subject. No, no. You _wish_ it _was_ silicon. Now back into immersion tank where you belong. ---
**Author:** ![Ax\_l\_Thorne](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ax_l_thorne/32/412835_2.png) [@Ax\_l\_Thorne](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ax_l_Thorne)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2022, 9:41pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-make-ganking-and-ag-a-play-style/384272/231 "2022-11-27T21:41:36Z")
We’ll work on fixing your perverted mind next. ---
**Author:** ![Githany\_Red](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/githany_red/32/378551_2.png) [@Githany\_Red](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Githany_Red)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2022, 11:59pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-make-ganking-and-ag-a-play-style/384272/234 "2022-11-27T23:59:18Z")
> [@Xeux](#): > > The bigger problem is the NPC standings. I never figured out if killing the miners would make it so that the facpo would chase me around. I hate the facpo. We cleared a belt of the npc miners, its only the defence feet that go after you, these don’t go to stations or gates, i think this is what we did, but main aim was to go from belt to belt clearing npc miners so our friends could have the ore Attack miners, they warp off and there protection fleet warp in, warp out fast or they will get you, they then go and join the mining ships after you leave , at which point you warp in at range, the protection fleet slow boats to you, the only good loot is the hauler, it can drop skins, other ship just drop ore. So once you separate the combat ship and miners warp back to kill hauler if you want I only bit I can’t remember is where the miners warp too, but it was easy to find nevertheless. The local faction police or gate guns don’t attack you, we tested this, the situation may have changed as it was over 6 months ago. Their combat ships AI was a bit dumb but effective if they caught you. Use cheap destroyers Oh dear I sound like a ganker 🤨 ---
**Author:** ![Xeux](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xeux/32/428022_2.png) [@Xeux](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xeux)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2022, 12:10am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-make-ganking-and-ag-a-play-style/384272/235 "2022-11-28T00:10:36Z")
> [@Githany\_Red](#): > > other ship just drop ore. But that is my fundamental question - if players need ore, why do they choose to equip a bunch of fat, dumb mining ships and sit in space for hours rather than just ganking the NPC miners and taking the same ore from the NPC wrecks? It makes no sense. ---
**Author:** ![Githany\_Red](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/githany_red/32/378551_2.png) [@Githany\_Red](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Githany_Red)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2022, 12:35am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-make-ganking-and-ag-a-play-style/384272/236 "2022-11-28T00:35:08Z")
Well you can only kill 2 or 3 Ventures at a time, think we had a fleet of 5 or 6 cats, then you have to warp out fast but yes you could go from belt to belt popping them with a looter picking up the ore. Never thought to scan them to see if ore builds up over time so you pop them when full ---
**Author:** ![Xeux](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xeux/32/428022_2.png) [@Xeux](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xeux)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2022, 12:36am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-make-ganking-and-ag-a-play-style/384272/237 "2022-11-28T00:36:57Z")
They aren’t always just venture fleets. ---
**Author:** ![Githany\_Red](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/githany_red/32/378551_2.png) [@Githany\_Red](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Githany_Red)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2022, 12:40am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-make-ganking-and-ag-a-play-style/384272/238 "2022-11-28T00:40:52Z")
No, we only went for Ventures because our aim was to move them off belt, think we scrambled a retriever and killed that but it was close with their backup arriving. Seeing the protection fleet work I did wonder if you could fight them, they are quite slow to kill you but point you fast ---
**Author:** ![Wes\_Wyhunnan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/wes_wyhunnan/32/409400_2.png) [@Wes\_Wyhunnan](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Wes_Wyhunnan)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2022, 1:20am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-make-ganking-and-ag-a-play-style/384272/239 "2022-11-28T01:20:03Z")
> [@Firnikkar\_Firn](#): > > You’ll be dead anyway… Does anyone know who let this guy in or why he is still here? Or am I just the only one who hasn’t blocked him yet? ---
**Author:** ![Ax\_l\_Thorne](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ax_l_thorne/32/412835_2.png) [@Ax\_l\_Thorne](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ax_l_Thorne)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2022, 1:24am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-make-ganking-and-ag-a-play-style/384272/240 "2022-11-28T01:24:34Z")
> [@Wes\_Wyhunnan](#): > > Does anyone know who let this guy in or why he is still here? Or am I just the only one who hasn’t blocked him yet? I blocked him a couple of hours ago. He took a turn into the deep end. I’m surprised CCP hasn’t banned his account for the sexual garbage he’s been posting. ---
**Author:** ![Tec8n0](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tec8n0/32/469865_2.png) [@Tec8n0](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Tec8n0)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2022, 5:03pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-make-ganking-and-ag-a-play-style/384272/241 "2022-11-28T17:03:27Z")
oh, you are serious hahahahahaha hahahahahaha, you know what, please don’t biomass. You are a funny miner and im willing to blue you, since you are so special. 3 cats, wow ---
**Author:** ![Githany\_Red](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/githany_red/32/378551_2.png) [@Githany\_Red](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Githany_Red)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2022, 6:53pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-make-ganking-and-ag-a-play-style/384272/242 "2022-11-28T18:53:25Z")
> [@Tec8n0](#): > > 3 cats, wow 3 cats with dps x the number of members in my fleet + ecm and Logistics hitting your target, which is how we stop large fleet ganks, I even once stopped a large talos fleet single handedly so don’t set us to blue ---
**Author:** ![Tec8n0](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tec8n0/32/469865_2.png) [@Tec8n0](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Tec8n0)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2022, 9:01pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-make-ganking-and-ag-a-play-style/384272/243 "2022-11-28T21:01:35Z")
good job ag, keep it up lmao ---
**Author:** ![Gix\_Firebrand](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gix_firebrand/32/456949_2.png) [@Gix\_Firebrand](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gix_Firebrand)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2022, 9:37pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-make-ganking-and-ag-a-play-style/384272/244 "2022-11-28T21:37:34Z")
> [@Total\_Bedlam](#): > > I have read a lot of your posts, Lucas. I agree with you 100% and lots of other players do too. Citation needed ROFL. > [@Io\_Koval](#): > > Also, I only see Lucas’ retorts when you quote them. I’m not surprised he disagreed with my “many highsec corps wanted safety” to declare “no you’re wrong they _only_ wanted to socialize” which is completely 1-dimensional, revisionist, and absolutist. Cannot give 1 inch of ground that could conceivably be used to build an argument for “the other side”. LOL I remember mining corps recruiting in local with this exact pitch and saying there was safety in numbers. As I can flipped in Jame’s birth place 😃 I miss those days when peeps would talk in local. > [@Xeux](#): > > The entire purpose of MMOs is interaction. Otherwise you should do something else. This. If people want solo space game, play NMS, find a paradise planet and punch trees for the rest of time ROFL. > [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > The point of MMOs is to give the _option_ of interaction, usually in numerous forms. Forcing interaction is bad, because you’re always going to be forcing at least some players to do something they don’t enjoy. Actually false. They are _choosing_ to play the game, which means they accept all aspects of it if they choose to play. If they don’t like some of it? Don’t play 😃 That’s like saying I play basketball but I think it’s unfair that people can cap me so I decide they can’t ROFL. You play by the rules of the game or find another game to play 😃 > [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > Gankers are not part of that PvE, they are part of a PvP playstyle being forced on a variety of other playstyles, one of which is mining. Quoting this cause in the past you claimed ganking was PvE but now you admit it’s PvP. I love when you can’t keep track of your own stuff 😃 > [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > Once again you are pretending that NPCs and players are the same. They aren’t. Quoting this too as it shows you have a clear understanding what PvE and PvP is, hence why you can’t say ganking is PvE anymore. Yay 😃 > [@Max\_Deveron](#): > > criminy…this guy Lucas just needs to be perm banned from the forums…maybe the game too. Lucas isn’t his main, it’s a throwaway alt. Much like the one he used to grief Altara 😃 > [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > Fact is that players and NPCs aren’t the same thing, no matter how much you pretend they are. It’s not my fault that you can’t come up with any rational counterpoints. Again, quoting as it shows more evidence 😃 > [@Xeux](#): > > To be honest, I have considered ganking the NPC miners. They did seem similar to ganking other players, given the subsequent response fleet and all of that. I even made a few posts on the forum asking why that wasn’t a real play style. Shrug. If you shoot them in a corvette, the response fleet doesn’t come 😃 > [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > That’s not what I’m saying. I’m saying that if you think NPCs and players are the same, then CCP can just remove PvP and add more rats and PvP players should be happy with that. We both know that’s not true though because your claim that NPCs and players are the same is nonsense. More evidence 😃 > [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > The reality is that NPCs and players are different. More evidence 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Max\_Deveron](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/max_deveron/32/245870_2.png) [@Max\_Deveron](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Max_Deveron)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2022, 9:57pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-make-ganking-and-ag-a-play-style/384272/245 "2022-11-28T21:57:43Z")
once the specific corp is red to you…the miners will warp off when you land on grid and the defense fleet will show up… If it is blue however, and someone else they are red too, the defense fleet will show up(in losec i hear the logi part of that fleet will give your reps if you are blue to them) I know they do in HS as well. ---
**Author:** ![Githany\_Red](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/githany_red/32/378551_2.png) [@Githany\_Red](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Githany_Red)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2022, 8:27am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-make-ganking-and-ag-a-play-style/384272/246 "2022-11-29T08:27:26Z")
> [@Gix\_Firebrand](#): > > I miss those days when peeps would talk in local. > > > [@Xeux](#): > > > > The entire purpose of MMOs is interaction. Otherwise you should do something else. Maybe we should all meet in a starter system and chat in local, as you can imagine I always try and chat in local 🤗 Maybe Lucas would come to ---
**Author:** ![Mindahouf\_Davaham](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mindahouf_davaham/32/379996_2.png) [@Mindahouf\_Davaham](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mindahouf_Davaham)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2022, 2:14pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-make-ganking-and-ag-a-play-style/384272/247 "2022-11-29T14:14:09Z")
My corp still tries that with okay success and we are now in null sec \o/ ---
**Author:** ![Altara\_Zemara](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/altara_zemara/32/390110_2.png) [@Altara\_Zemara](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Altara_Zemara)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2022, 5:13pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-make-ganking-and-ag-a-play-style/384272/248 "2022-11-29T17:13:44Z")
> [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > I mean that you declaring “loss is loss, there’s no difference between players and NPCs”, that’s an oversimplification. Nope, It’s plain simple fact. Loss is loss. _You_ want to make it seem different solely for your agenda. But a rose is a rose by any other name. > [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > CCP understands this Gawd. When will you ever stop proclaiming as if you are the Borg Queen and you know exactly what everyone else is thinking and their motives and the exact ‘CCP says…’ only correct interpretation of everything said. You are no more knowledgeable about such stuff that the rest of us. ---
**Author:** ![Gix\_Firebrand](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gix_firebrand/32/456949_2.png) [@Gix\_Firebrand](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gix_Firebrand)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2022, 6:02pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-make-ganking-and-ag-a-play-style/384272/250 "2022-11-29T18:02:36Z")
> [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > It’s got nothing to do with any agenda. NPCs and players are not the same. Heh. I know why you’re dodging 😃 It’s good you can admit ganking isn’t PvE 😃 See? Was that so hard? ---
**Author:** ![QuakeGod](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/quakegod/32/480339_2.png) [@QuakeGod](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/QuakeGod)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2022, 6:05pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-make-ganking-and-ag-a-play-style/384272/252 "2022-11-29T18:05:37Z")
If you remove ganking, then the carebears will just whine about getting killed by diamond rats, or a Sansha Incursion, or Trigs. There is no pleasing them. They won’t be content until they can AFK 24/7 in perfect safety… [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-make-ganking-and-ag-a-play-style/384272.md?page=9) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-make-ganking-and-ag-a-play-style/384272.md?page=11)