# How to make less people play EVE?

**URL:** <https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-make-less-people-play-eve/144698>\
**Category:** General Discussion\
**Created:** [March 8, 2019, 3:15pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-make-less-people-play-eve/144698 "2019-03-08T15:15:26Z")\
**Posts on this page:** 20\
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**Author:** ![xxxTRUSTxxx](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xxxtrustxxx/32/285949_2.png) [@xxxTRUSTxxx](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/xxxTRUSTxxx)\
**Post date:** [March 11, 2019, 10:08pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-make-less-people-play-eve/144698/82 "2019-03-11T22:08:30Z")

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> [@Traco\_Miritu](#):
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> Maybe not you…but the likes i get tell another story…

18 likes out of thousands of players, i guess we can say 18 beats thousands every day doesn’t it, in a Balos bubble it might , yikes! 👀

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**Author:** ![Lexie\_Huren](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lexie_huren/32/351204_2.png) [@Lexie\_Huren](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Lexie_Huren)\
**Post date:** [March 12, 2019, 4:36am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-make-less-people-play-eve/144698/83 "2019-03-12T04:36:55Z")

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_Dear Ferrari,_

_Your cars are bad because I can’t afford one._

_Regards,_  
_Not a customer._

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**Author:** ![Yiole\_Gionglao](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/yiole_gionglao/32/374866_2.png) [@Yiole\_Gionglao](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Yiole_Gionglao)\
**Post date:** [March 12, 2019, 6:54am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-make-less-people-play-eve/144698/84 "2019-03-12T06:54:22Z")

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Hint: CCP sells Ferrari for the price of a Dacia. In a game where everybody pays the same, numbers are king, yet CCP somehow figured they could get out with neglecting the average customer in favor of the quality customer.

They’ve wasted endless efforts trying to lure customers into top quality, and all they’ve got is people sticking to ages old low quality content they enjoy until it reaches its natural expiracy… unless they’re evicted prematurely by some quality customers.

Right now CCP is dealing with a undesirable consequence of dwindling prey in highsec by making the pressure on that prey worse than ever. People will enjoy a quieter life without structures and certain death with them… until prey becomes so scarce that quality customers leave the game out of boredom.

As usual CCP had a non-retarded alternative and as usual they dismissed it. Structure focused wars would have allowed corps to keep operating under war, thus giving a way out from losing their precious structure. Now they will be totally obliterated or evicted from game since there’s less wardeccable corps and the same aggressors… and wars are cheaper than ever and more profitable than ever for the aggressors.

None of this would be happening if CCP still enjoyed the trust and money of people who won’t aim higher than leveling their Raven.

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**Author:** ![Bankogirl\_LSG](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/bankogirl_lsg/32/465888_2.png) [@Bankogirl\_LSG](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Bankogirl_LSG)\
**Post date:** [March 12, 2019, 7:25am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-make-less-people-play-eve/144698/85 "2019-03-12T07:25:50Z")

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> [@Argox](#):
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> i still dont get why you are not banned from this forum with all this trash talk???

Because he is alter ego of one biased community manager … ☹

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**Author:** ![Teckos\_Pech](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/teckos_pech/32/375283_2.png) [@Teckos\_Pech](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Teckos_Pech)\
**Post date:** [March 12, 2019, 7:42am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-make-less-people-play-eve/144698/87 "2019-03-12T07:42:22Z")

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> [@Shallanna\_Yassavi](#):
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> If you’re speaking of the typical worker in the U.S., you mistyped “third or fourth job.”

Yeah…no.

> [@Shallanna\_Yassavi](#):
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> There are some glaring economic indicators in the United States (which holds a pretty good amount of the playerbase) which might offer some insights:

What indicators are those?

> [@Shallanna\_Yassavi](#):
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> Wages are stagnant, the average worker works an 80-hour week, and the cost such luxuries as food, rent, and medical care have gone up consistently. Luxury items are a pretty hard sell in that kind of environment. Coping mechanisms, on the other hand…

Wages have been pretty flat, but total compensation has not.

[https://fredblog.stlouisfed.org/2016/09/wages-with-benefits/](https://fredblog.stlouisfed.org/2016/09/wages-with-benefits/)

And no, the average American work does not work 80 hours a week.

> **[Average Weekly Hours of Production and Nonsupervisory Employees, Manufacturing](https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/AWHMAN)**
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> Average Weekly Hours of Production and Nonsupervisory Employees, Manufacturing

You don’t seem to be very in touch with the actual data and tend to just make stuff up.

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**Author:** ![Solstice\_Projekt](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/solstice_projekt/32/503293_2.png) [@Solstice\_Projekt](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Solstice_Projekt)\
**Post date:** [March 12, 2019, 7:42am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-make-less-people-play-eve/144698/88 "2019-03-12T07:42:36Z")

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> [@Bankogirl\_LSG](#):
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> Because he is alter ego of one biased community manager … ☹

I reported this solely for the reason because it’s hilarious!

Thanks for the honour! I’d love to be in CCP Falcon’s shoes,  
because if I was, nutjobs like you wouldn’t be around anymore. : D

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**Author:** ![Bankogirl\_LSG](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/bankogirl_lsg/32/465888_2.png) [@Bankogirl\_LSG](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Bankogirl_LSG)\
**Post date:** [March 12, 2019, 7:45am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-make-less-people-play-eve/144698/89 "2019-03-12T07:45:31Z")

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> [@Solstice\_Projekt](#):
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> Thanks for the honour! I’d love to be in CCP Falcon’s shoes,

What a self-love, ofc who else could love this:

 ![](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/3/6/36f943d62b84aee76f5eb50dd14013bc889db1c1.png)

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

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**Author:** ![Oliver\_Delorean](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/oliver_delorean/32/375028_2.png) [@Oliver\_Delorean](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Oliver_Delorean)\
**Post date:** [March 13, 2019, 5:41am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-make-less-people-play-eve/144698/92 "2019-03-13T05:41:05Z")

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How to make less people play EVE?

Increase the time for null sec anoms to spawn, so all the loyal grinders will start to unsubscribe.

\*I’m not PVE player, but I can see how this is “good idea”.

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**Author:** ![Peter\_Raptor](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/peter_raptor/32/247341_2.png) [@Peter\_Raptor](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Peter_Raptor)\
**Post date:** [March 13, 2019, 7:48am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-make-less-people-play-eve/144698/93 "2019-03-13T07:48:47Z")

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I have to admit that today the player count at around 05;30 Eve time was around 16, 000 players, I’ve never seen it that low before and I usually play at that time (I’m in Australia)  
Somewhat concerning…

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**Author:** ![Solstice\_Projekt](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/solstice_projekt/32/503293_2.png) [@Solstice\_Projekt](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Solstice_Projekt)\
**Post date:** [March 13, 2019, 8:44am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-make-less-people-play-eve/144698/94 "2019-03-13T08:44:42Z")

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When you remove a big tumor, bodyweight decreases. Would you think that’s a concern?

When people leave, because they can’t farm lvl4s for free anymore, what kind of harmful loss is that supposed to be? When the PCU drops because of them, then that only reveals that there are much bigger flaws, that were concealed by those who never cared anyway. Not to forget how many of those were RMTers anyway. Likely a substantial number, otherwise the change would be pointless.

Anyone who cares about the game would stay. In the last years it has become obvious that CCP does not want to attract people who want to commit to the long term game. Instead they attract people who treat EVE like a collection of mini-games. People who demand, people who complain about things they themselves are at fault, people who give nothing but want everything. People who need content handed to them. All for the money.

Alphas not running lvl4s isn’t the problem. The whole game is ■■■■■■ and it’s biting CCP in the ass.

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**Author:** ![Traco\_Miritu](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/traco_miritu/32/130952_2.png) [@Traco\_Miritu](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Traco_Miritu)\
**Post date:** [March 13, 2019, 3:08pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-make-less-people-play-eve/144698/95 "2019-03-13T15:08:23Z")

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> [@Solstice\_Projekt](#):
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> Anyone who cares about the game would stay. In the last years it has become obvious that CCP does not want to attract people who want to commit to the long term game. Instead they attract people who treat EVE like a collection of mini-games. People who demand, people who complain about things they themselves are at fault, people who give nothing but want everything. People who need content handed to them. All for the money.

You mean people that actually KNOW that this is what is wanted?  
Why can’t you just accept that the times(and players) have changed?

Why this deniying of the mere possibility that what ccp does is exactly the right thing to do?

And even if not this is not your concern.  
You DON’T own the game just because you pay your little sub and you simply have to accept and obey to EVERY decision ccp makes or (you know the drill) there is the door.it’s always open.

This is just a matter of your strange opinion that you really seem to think they have to ask you if they change something.

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**Author:** ![March\_rabbit](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/march_rabbit/32/453160_2.png) [@March\_rabbit](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/March_rabbit)\
**Post date:** [March 13, 2019, 3:18pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-make-less-people-play-eve/144698/97 "2019-03-13T15:18:01Z")

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You returned to classical Balos.  
Next time you create new alt try to keep mask for longer 🤣

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**Author:** ![Traco\_Miritu](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/traco_miritu/32/130952_2.png) [@Traco\_Miritu](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Traco_Miritu)\
**Post date:** [March 13, 2019, 3:19pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-make-less-people-play-eve/144698/98 "2019-03-13T15:19:55Z")

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> [@March\_rabbit](#):
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> You returned to classical Balos.  
> Next time you create new alt try to keep mask for longer 🤣

Constantly stating this does not make it true…this is not how it works…

Maybe actually becoming adult is the key here.

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**Author:** ![Solstice\_Projekt](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/solstice_projekt/32/503293_2.png) [@Solstice\_Projekt](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Solstice_Projekt)\
**Post date:** [March 13, 2019, 4:50pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-make-less-people-play-eve/144698/99 "2019-03-13T16:50:05Z")

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Guys, seriously.

Instead of arguing with him, which is exactly what he wants, all you need to do is linking …

> [@There are some really ugly but useful ships in need of some SKIN and rebuild](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/there-are-some-really-ugly-but-useful-ships-in-need-of-some-skin-and-rebuild/131722/6):
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> Diversity is just watering the straight… You cannot make everybody happy and you shouldn’t try it…it’s pandoras box and it should never be opend and if opened it should be closed… Look,talking about real life there is no need for more than 2 genders.for example …this is pure madness…same goes for wishes like this in games…or "reloaded movies…keep what is and don’t try to be better than the original… 99.9% of those trys fail miserably…

And it’s done.

Hey Balos, how’s it going with spreading your intolerant, fascist ideology?

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**Author:** ![Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jonah_gravenstein/32/386819_2.png) [@Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jonah_Gravenstein)\
**Post date:** [March 13, 2019, 5:30pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-make-less-people-play-eve/144698/100 "2019-03-13T17:30:15Z")

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> [@Traco\_Miritu](#):
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> Constantly stating this does not make it true…this is not how it works…

We keep telling you this, you keep on doing it.

I got you a hat, with bells on.

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**Author:** ![Solstice\_Projekt](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/solstice_projekt/32/503293_2.png) [@Solstice\_Projekt](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Solstice_Projekt)\
**Post date:** [March 13, 2019, 5:37pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-make-less-people-play-eve/144698/101 "2019-03-13T17:37:46Z")

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> [@Jonah\_Gravenstein](#):
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> I got you a hat, with bells on.

Please explain that reference, it sounds funny!

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**Author:** ![Elena\_Laskova](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/elena_laskova/32/11436_2.png) [@Elena\_Laskova](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Elena_Laskova)\
**Post date:** [March 13, 2019, 5:50pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-make-less-people-play-eve/144698/102 "2019-03-13T17:50:45Z")

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Farmer J has run out of reasonable arguments, and switched (as usual) to _argumentum ad hominum_.

A common representation of the traditional Jester’s hat includes bells.  
There are a couple of versions here:  
– [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jester](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jester) –

Aptly, a synonym for Jester is “Fool”, and a common riposte to an _argumentum ad hominum_ is that it’s “the last resort of fools” /lol.

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**Author:** ![Maekchu](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/maekchu/32/178692_2.png) [@Maekchu](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Maekchu)\
**Post date:** [March 13, 2019, 5:51pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-make-less-people-play-eve/144698/103 "2019-03-13T17:51:30Z")

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![the-fools-jester](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/8/e/8e91ad08797f8ddd19ff0ab48c9816ce6d6d4abc.gif)

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**Author:** ![Solstice\_Projekt](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/solstice_projekt/32/503293_2.png) [@Solstice\_Projekt](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Solstice_Projekt)\
**Post date:** [March 13, 2019, 6:00pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-make-less-people-play-eve/144698/104 "2019-03-13T18:00:22Z")

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Aaahhhh, I get it now!  
Thanks! 😃

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**Author:** ![Radical\_Posture](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/radical_posture/32/276404_2.png) [@Radical\_Posture](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Radical_Posture)\
**Post date:** [March 13, 2019, 6:20pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-make-less-people-play-eve/144698/105 "2019-03-13T18:20:12Z")

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#### **Gila**

- Drone HP role bonus reduced to 250% (was 500%)

This ought to make a few thousand players quit.  
gf

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