# How to make less people play EVE? **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [March 8, 2019, 3:15pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-make-less-people-play-eve/144698 "2019-03-08T15:15:26Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![Xuxe\_Xu](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xuxe_xu/32/464660_2.png) [@Xuxe\_Xu](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xuxe_Xu)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2019, 6:28pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-make-less-people-play-eve/144698/106 "2019-03-13T18:28:20Z")
> [@Elena\_Laskova](#): > > Farmer J has run out of reasonable arguments, and switched (as usual) to _argumentum ad hominum_ . yum! Thank you for that delicious irony. …That was intentional…right? ---
**Author:** ![Literal\_God](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/literal_god/32/131245_2.png) [@Literal\_God](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Literal_God)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2019, 9:39pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-make-less-people-play-eve/144698/107 "2019-03-13T21:39:02Z")
Fewer. ---
**Author:** ![Dravick\_Afterthought](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dravick_afterthought/32/282017_2.png) [@Dravick\_Afterthought](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dravick_Afterthought)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2019, 9:40pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-make-less-people-play-eve/144698/108 "2019-03-13T21:40:02Z")
I do hope you’re being ironic, because _“Oh no ! my drones, although fully as lethal and fast as before, are going to be 16% more vulnerable, so I’m giving up Eve forever”_ just sounds silly… ---
**Author:** ![Solstice\_Projekt](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/solstice_projekt/32/503293_2.png) [@Solstice\_Projekt](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Solstice_Projekt)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2019, 9:46pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-make-less-people-play-eve/144698/109 "2019-03-13T21:46:22Z")
A few thousands is … unlikely. Despite CCP’s new target audience, it’s definitely not thousands who are so dumb that they’d leave because of it. I don’t know how short willied one has to be for such a reaction, but I seriously doubt it’s that many. ---
**Author:** ![Avaelica\_Kuershin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/avaelica_kuershin/32/478139_2.png) [@Avaelica\_Kuershin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Avaelica_Kuershin)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2019, 9:46pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-make-less-people-play-eve/144698/110 "2019-03-13T21:46:38Z")
Are you quite sure you are not Grammar God instead? 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Daichi\_Yamato](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/daichi_yamato/32/252995_2.png) [@Daichi\_Yamato](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Daichi_Yamato)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2019, 10:02pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-make-less-people-play-eve/144698/111 "2019-03-13T22:02:07Z")
> [@Shallanna\_Yassavi](#): > > Wages are stagnant, the average worker works an 80-hour week, 🤨 This was such an absurd number i had to look it up. > Today the average hours worked in the U.S. is around 33, with the average man employed full-time for **8.4 hours** per work day, and the average woman employed full-time for **7.9 hours** per work day. If you want to pull a number out your arse, be remotely believable. ---
**Author:** ![Solstice\_Projekt](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/solstice_projekt/32/503293_2.png) [@Solstice\_Projekt](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Solstice_Projekt)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2019, 10:20pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-make-less-people-play-eve/144698/112 "2019-03-13T22:20:18Z")
I know you pulled this from wikipedia, and I’m not saying it’s wrong, but averages rarely reflect reality for everyone who isn’t part of that group. When there’s a lot of people working 20 hours and a lot of people working 80 hours, you’ll get an average somewhere in the middle. That won’t bother people who work 20h, but for everyone working 80 it’s pretty shitty. Averages without being able to look at the numbers can be misleading and thus aren’t trustworthy. I mean, especially in the US I would be more inclined to not believe official statistics at all, especially when it comes to anything related to work. ---
**Author:** ![Daichi\_Yamato](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/daichi_yamato/32/252995_2.png) [@Daichi\_Yamato](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Daichi_Yamato)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2019, 10:43pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-make-less-people-play-eve/144698/113 "2019-03-13T22:43:14Z")
The dude said ‘average’. 80 hours is 16 hours a day, 5 days a week. Anyone working that much is an extreme case, not by any means average. ---
**Author:** ![Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jonah_gravenstein/32/386819_2.png) [@Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jonah_Gravenstein)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2019, 11:30pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-make-less-people-play-eve/144698/114 "2019-03-13T23:30:01Z")
> [@Elena\_Laskova](#): > > run out of reasonable arguments Traco has no reasonable arguments at all; I at least, have some. I’ve wasted enough time trying reason with him and his previous alt, it turns out that making fun of him is so much more rewarding than beating your head against a brick wall of ignorance and arrogance. ---
**Author:** ![Solstice\_Projekt](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/solstice_projekt/32/503293_2.png) [@Solstice\_Projekt](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Solstice_Projekt)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2019, 11:37pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-make-less-people-play-eve/144698/115 "2019-03-13T23:37:18Z")
Look who I found? > [@CCP and Bullying](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-and-bullying/145674): > > CCP, why won’t you put an end to James 315 and Goonswarm and CODE. bullying everyone by RUINING the fun people have inside the game. WHAT happened to the griefer button and all that goes with it? you are just enabling cyber bullying and as a long time player I am very, very dissappointed in you. just like with Wardec’ing you need to make the mining in high sec a volunteer action or something to that effect, after working a 12 hour day I wanna be able to jump in game, have some fun and not worr… Another lunatic BattleStar Galactica fan using the same rethoric as foxbolt … and writing like a child. I AM VERY, VERY DISSAPPOINTED IN YOU! BAD CCP! BAD! ---
**Author:** ![Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jonah_gravenstein/32/386819_2.png) [@Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jonah_Gravenstein)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2019, 11:40pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-make-less-people-play-eve/144698/116 "2019-03-13T23:40:37Z")
A Griefer button? I want one, it should open a hisec cyno and allow Goons to hotdrop all of the things. ![image](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/2/8/283c595c22acd5f5acbffbe99d14dd8bb45d09b1.jpeg) @Solstice_Projekt who was the guy that insisted that unwanted pvp was a violation of the EULA? meh I need to sort my mouse out, scroll wheel is doing weird stuff ---
**Author:** ![Solstice\_Projekt](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/solstice_projekt/32/503293_2.png) [@Solstice\_Projekt](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Solstice_Projekt)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2019, 11:41pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-make-less-people-play-eve/144698/117 "2019-03-13T23:41:16Z")
Likely the idiot just not understanding that the protection button does not actually protect from others, but from ones own stupidity. ---
**Author:** ![Avaelica\_Kuershin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/avaelica_kuershin/32/478139_2.png) [@Avaelica\_Kuershin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Avaelica_Kuershin)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2019, 11:41pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-make-less-people-play-eve/144698/118 "2019-03-13T23:41:25Z")
I like the sound of that. ---
**Author:** ![Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jonah_gravenstein/32/386819_2.png) [@Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jonah_Gravenstein)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2019, 11:44pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-make-less-people-play-eve/144698/119 "2019-03-13T23:44:34Z")
> [@Solstice\_Projekt](#): > > protection button does not actually protect from others, but from ones own stupidity. CCP can’t fix stupid, you can shoot it, but not even _insert deity(s) of choice, if any_ can fix it. ---
**Author:** ![Solstice\_Projekt](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/solstice_projekt/32/503293_2.png) [@Solstice\_Projekt](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Solstice_Projekt)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2019, 12:06am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-make-less-people-play-eve/144698/120 "2019-03-14T00:06:00Z")
> [@Jonah\_Gravenstein](#): > > who was the guy that insisted that unwanted pvp was a violation of the EULA? I don’t know anyone specifically in connection to the EULA. Hell, I’m not even sure I got all the names in my head. We should ask people … but I’m wondering if CCP Falcon might not like it. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Herzog\_Wolfhammer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/herzog_wolfhammer/32/452132_2.png) [@Herzog\_Wolfhammer](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Herzog_Wolfhammer)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2019, 3:48am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-make-less-people-play-eve/144698/121 "2019-03-14T03:48:00Z")
Alpha is a long term trial account and a means to keep former subscribers “in touch” in the prospect that they might resub. It was not meant to be F2P mode with 90 percent of the content available to it. Oh I can hear the argument: " Hurf blurflgarble!!! Alphas don’t have access to 90 percent of the content!!! Blarflbarble!" Uh… OK it’s like this. The last time I undocked, in the middle of highsec, I saw a faction ship ratting. In highsec. The LVL 4 systems are still full up. Now let me ask: if lvl 4 missioning is the ONLY thing you did in the game, then what percentage of “content” is that for you? Don’t lie. You don’t have a titan and a nullsec alliance in your pocket, do you? Or are you happy to see me? And there is still yet a LOT an alpha can do. I would watch the level 3 mission metrics closely. Anybody farming LVL3s now at a rate that is more than humanly possible is a bot. ---
**Author:** ![Random\_User83](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/random_user83/32/434874_2.png) [@Random\_User83](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Random_User83)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2019, 4:37am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-make-less-people-play-eve/144698/122 "2019-03-14T04:37:25Z")
I’m sure it’s already been stated above but i’ll chime in. You make more isk blitzing level 3’s for LP than you do clearing L4’s… ---
**Author:** ![Elena\_Laskova](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/elena_laskova/32/11436_2.png) [@Elena\_Laskova](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Elena_Laskova)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2019, 10:05am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-make-less-people-play-eve/144698/123 "2019-03-14T10:05:47Z")
> [@Jonah\_Gravenstein](#): > > > [@Elena\_Laskova](#): > > > > run out of reasonable arguments > > Traco has no reasonable arguments at all; I at least, have some. > > I’ve wasted enough time trying reason with him and his previous alt, it turns out that making fun of him is so much more rewarding than beating your head against a brick wall of ignorance and arrogance. You have an unpleasant habit of claiming that anyone you don’t agree with is someone else (Balos). It’s unpleasant because: - It’s _argumentum ad hominum_ - I’s relatively difficult for the target to address in a forum. When you did it to me I had (naturally) never heard of this Balos. Should I do some research, analyse a representative number of this person’s posts, then demonstrate I write differently and/or have different opinions? /lol. - In a forum like this, an echo chamber of irrational ideas and rude, aggressive people, anonymity is a right. An honest person would never criticize or undermine that right - People can change. Even in the (highly unlikely) event he posted things outside current standards of behavior, Balos has every right to come back under another name - as long as he stays within normal standards of politeness. ---
**Author:** ![Uriel\_the\_Flame](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/uriel_the_flame/32/490165_2.png) [@Uriel\_the\_Flame](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Uriel_the_Flame)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2019, 10:12am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-make-less-people-play-eve/144698/124 "2019-03-14T10:12:17Z")
> [@Elena\_Laskova](#): > > Balos has every right to come back under another name - as long as he stays withing normal standards Balos alt confirmed. 😈 🍿 ---
**Author:** ![Teckos\_Pech](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/teckos_pech/32/375283_2.png) [@Teckos\_Pech](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Teckos_Pech)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2019, 4:39pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-make-less-people-play-eve/144698/126 "2019-03-14T16:39:19Z")
You do realize there is a significant difference between wealth and income right? People can have high incomes and little wealth and people with high levels of wealth can have low income and all sorts of other things. Noting a decline in wealth does not translate into people working 80 hour weeks or working a third and fourth job. The research you link is interesting and further supports some of the problems I’ve been pointing too in other discussions. Particularly the high debt loads and low housing ownership rates…which can probably be traced back to rapidly rising education–e.g. college–costs and also rising home prices. Previous generations did not enter the work force with such debt levels, and the lower (relative) housing prices allowed for home ownership…which is now, in part, fueling the growing gap in wealth between generations. However, addressing these issues via MMO Pricing strategies won’t get you much and is really ignoring the underlying problems (too much emphasis on college education as the path to success and land use restrictions). [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-make-less-people-play-eve/144698.md?page=5) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-make-less-people-play-eve/144698.md?page=7)