# How to play this game when i cant earn ISK? **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [October 22, 2021, 7:49pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-play-this-game-when-i-cant-earn-isk/333694 "2021-10-22T19:49:35Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2021, 9:20pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-play-this-game-when-i-cant-earn-isk/333694/22 "2021-10-22T21:20:17Z")
One of CCP’s biggest historical failures is not putting new players into actual corporations run by paid staff members. Most new players quit because they have no sense of purpose, and never manage to get to the stage where they find a group with which they identify. One of the main reasons why I tell fresh newbs to join groups like EVE University is not because they need to learn game mechanics (which can come naturally over time), but because I want them to get into an environment where they can start socializing right away instead of falling into the pit of despair that is so indicative of a lack of foresight with regard to the new player experience: EVE’s low-end PvE solo gameplay. You should start looking for people to play with _now_, and not later, OP. And I highly advise against joining any group that focuses entirely on PvE, and _especially_ groups like that that are also very large. The very first thing you should do when vetting them is to look them up on kill boards, and if it’s all losses and no kills, discard them. Then, past that point, look for the best fit in terms of active time zones and activity preferences. ---
**Author:** ![Geo\_Eclipse\_Oksaras](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/geo_eclipse_oksaras/32/500781_2.png) [@Geo\_Eclipse\_Oksaras](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Geo_Eclipse_Oksaras)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2021, 9:31pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-play-this-game-when-i-cant-earn-isk/333694/23 "2021-10-22T21:31:06Z")
@Blento_0404 I would look at joining Brave newbies, or Eve Uni. either of them can really help you in game… I think another is KarmaFleet ---
**Author:** ![Jin\_Endares](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jin_endares/32/413291_2.png) [@Jin\_Endares](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jin_Endares)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2021, 9:32pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-play-this-game-when-i-cant-earn-isk/333694/24 "2021-10-22T21:32:50Z")
> [@Destiny\_Corrupted](#): > > One of CCP’s biggest historical failures is not putting new players into actual corporations run by paid staff members. Most new players quit because they have no sense of purpose, and never manage to get to the stage where they find a group with which they identify I think the expectation was new players would do the agent missions to get a taste of what the game offers, then pick something to focus on. Maybe do epic arch stories too for some hands-on experience. EVE is a **VERY** experience based game. > [@Destiny\_Corrupted](#): > > One of the main reasons why I tell fresh newbs to join groups like EVE University Keep pushing that PVP stuff… > [@Destiny\_Corrupted](#): > > The very first thing you should do when vetting them is to look them up on kill boards, and if it’s all losses and no kills, discard them. Jeez. Not everyone in the game is into the kill-Kill-KILL. I would modify your comment to say if they have lots of losses very often. Anyone can have a spurt of bad luck. And a few losses every couple of weeks/months is no biggie. ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2021, 9:42pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-play-this-game-when-i-cant-earn-isk/333694/25 "2021-10-22T21:42:20Z")
> [@Jin\_Endares](#): > > Jeez. Not everyone in the game is into the kill-Kill-KILL. > > I would modify your comment to say if they have lots of losses very often. Anyone can have a spurt of bad luck. And a few losses every couple of weeks/months is no biggie. I’m not talking about “a few losses.” I’m talking about kill board statistics that would indicate that the corporation’s leadership is negligent/incompetent and not giving members good information and advice. Seeing repeated suicide-gank hauler or mining barge losses, or non-combat losses in unsafe areas of space is highly indicative that the directors have no idea what they’re doing, or simply don’t care enough to mentor their newer members. ---
**Author:** ![Jin\_Endares](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jin_endares/32/413291_2.png) [@Jin\_Endares](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jin_Endares)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2021, 9:51pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-play-this-game-when-i-cant-earn-isk/333694/26 "2021-10-22T21:51:17Z")
> [@Destiny\_Corrupted](#): > > is highly indicative that the directors have no idea what they’re doing, or simply don’t care enough to mentor their newer members. Newbies have to _want_ to be mentored, ask questions before acting, and generally seek out the help. A lot of new players want to dive in head-first and eyes closed. I think they figure it can’t be harder than Call of Duty or whatever, a few loses now and then at the start but I’ll be a pro in no time. And that’s not EVE. It’s a tricky combination of wanting and seeking help vs. taking your own initiative. ---
**Author:** ![Kellie\_McCalamitie](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/kellie_mccalamitie/32/285447_2.png) [@Kellie\_McCalamitie](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Kellie_McCalamitie)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2021, 9:55pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-play-this-game-when-i-cant-earn-isk/333694/27 "2021-10-22T21:55:19Z")
> [@Jin\_Endares](#): > > It’s a tricky combination of wanting and seeking help vs. taking your own initiative Yea… It’s “open-world” but we have to play their way… What a joke. ---
**Author:** ![Jin\_Endares](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jin_endares/32/413291_2.png) [@Jin\_Endares](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jin_Endares)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2021, 9:58pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-play-this-game-when-i-cant-earn-isk/333694/28 "2021-10-22T21:58:56Z")
> [@Kellie\_McCalamitie](#): > > Yea… It’s “open-world” but we have to play their way… What a joke. Not clear what you mean. Even in real life you can choice to grind away at something for a long time to learn it yourself, or, seek the help/advise of others. If there’s a 3rd option I’m eager to hear it. ---
**Author:** ![Tipa\_Riot](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tipa_riot/32/443513_2.png) [@Tipa\_Riot](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Tipa_Riot)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2021, 10:01pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-play-this-game-when-i-cant-earn-isk/333694/29 "2021-10-22T22:01:31Z")
Hint, focus on Sansha relic sites in nullsec. Stain, Providence, and adjacent regions. Learn how to travel by wormholes (including Thera, Pochven) and safely in nullsec. With a bit of training this should net you at least 100M/h, but more importantly you will learn a lot about EvE mechanics. With time and careful reflection on mistakes you will die less. Next build up a PI farm in NPC nullsec for some side income. For groups to join, I second what was said before, look for PvP oriented players. From them you can learn how to survive in New Eden and as PvP consumes ISK also how to make ISK the least boring way. ---
**Author:** ![Kellie\_McCalamitie](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/kellie_mccalamitie/32/285447_2.png) [@Kellie\_McCalamitie](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Kellie_McCalamitie)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2021, 10:02pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-play-this-game-when-i-cant-earn-isk/333694/30 "2021-10-22T22:02:19Z")
> [@Jin\_Endares](#): > > Even in real life EVE isn’t real life and all those trolls will pounce on telling you that if you even give a real-life example so you can wait a long time if you’re “eager to hear it”. ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2021, 10:03pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-play-this-game-when-i-cant-earn-isk/333694/31 "2021-10-22T22:03:08Z")
> [@Jin\_Endares](#): > > Newbies have to _want_ to be mentored, ask questions before acting, and generally seek out the help. That only works for concepts that they’re aware of, but don’t yet understand. For example, someone who isn’t aware that something like high-sec ganking is a thing isn’t going to ask about how best to avoid it, because they don’t know that it exists. And that’s a very common problem in EVE; there are many concepts in the game that are hard to even _imagine_ exist, unlike other games where there’s an expectation of certain game mechanics based on experience with other games. That’s why in EVE proactive teaching takes precedence over proactive learning for the grand majority of the player base, excluding the inquisitive elites. ---
**Author:** ![Xuxe\_Xu](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xuxe_xu/32/464660_2.png) [@Xuxe\_Xu](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xuxe_Xu)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2021, 10:05pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-play-this-game-when-i-cant-earn-isk/333694/32 "2021-10-22T22:05:54Z")
> [@Blento\_0404](#): > > Are you all mad or is it that I just do not see something? Yes. Maybe Project Discovery is something you might like? or bye ---
**Author:** ![Jin\_Endares](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jin_endares/32/413291_2.png) [@Jin\_Endares](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jin_Endares)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2021, 10:11pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-play-this-game-when-i-cant-earn-isk/333694/33 "2021-10-22T22:11:44Z")
> [@Destiny\_Corrupted](#): > > That’s why in EVE proactive teaching takes precedence over proactive learning for the grand majority of the player base Is there a corp somewhere that gives formal sit-down (so to speak) classes for newbies? Takes them by the hand and shows them AAAAALLLLLL that is in the game? (Even if there is, that seems rather boring. What happened to the sense of adventure?) ---
**Author:** ![Xuxe\_Xu](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xuxe_xu/32/464660_2.png) [@Xuxe\_Xu](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xuxe_Xu)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2021, 10:12pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-play-this-game-when-i-cant-earn-isk/333694/34 "2021-10-22T22:12:11Z")
> [@Kellie\_McCalamitie](#): > > Yes, and I’m serious about this: Uninstall. > [@Kellie\_McCalamitie](#): > > 90% of the “members” here are Trolls who don’t even play the game anymore Pick one, Kellie. Hopefully he won’t read your forum post where you gleefully say your goal is to be a forum troll, eh? ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2021, 10:20pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-play-this-game-when-i-cant-earn-isk/333694/35 "2021-10-22T22:20:34Z")
> [@Jin\_Endares](#): > > Is there a corp somewhere that gives formal sit-down (so to speak) classes for newbies? > > Takes them by the hand and shows them AAAAALLLLLL that is in the game? > > (Even if there is, that seems rather boring. What happened to the sense of adventure?) No one needs to be taken by the hand and shown _everything_, but groups like EVE-Uni, Brave, and Pandemic Horde (I think) have various classes and tutorials. Also, I’ve been in many corporations (including those I’ve infiltrated for intel for future targets that in many cases I ended up helping), and I’ve met leaders who were actually very proactive and accessible in terms of teaching members about the game. Most, and in particular those you can find running high-sec carebear corporations, are **not** good leaders and teachers. That’s why telling new players to join a corporation without providing at least _some_ advice on how to filter the good ones from the rest is a bad idea. Joining a crappy high-sec carebear corporation can actually do more harm than good to a new player, because they’ll end up hearing stuff like “we just got a wardec, everyone log off and go play a different game for a week” or get yelled at for losing a ship instead of getting an explanation with regard to what happened and how to avoid it in the future. ---
**Author:** ![Xuxe\_Xu](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xuxe_xu/32/464660_2.png) [@Xuxe\_Xu](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xuxe_Xu)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2021, 11:41pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-play-this-game-when-i-cant-earn-isk/333694/36 "2021-10-22T23:41:29Z")
@Blento_0404 -This is still good guidelines: > [@How to find the corp that is right for you](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-find-the-corp-that-is-right-for-you/4451): > > One of the most frequent questions I see on the Eve forums is “How do you know if a corporation is good or not?” To help each person come to their own answer, I have written a “step by step guide” on how you can make your search for the right corporation (“corp”) easier. Ideally this will help you avoid a long employment history filled with corps you joined and left because you only found out that they didn’t “fit” you after you joined them. I will be the first to admit that I do not have much … ---
**Author:** ![Moriar\_theChosen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/moriar_thechosen/32/368191_2.png) [@Moriar\_theChosen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Moriar_theChosen)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2021, 11:52pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-play-this-game-when-i-cant-earn-isk/333694/37 "2021-10-22T23:52:43Z")
You also got to learn that the forums are plagued by trolls who hate the game and arealmost totally unusable. ---
**Author:** ![Rekindle](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/rekindle/32/382332_2.png) [@Rekindle](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Rekindle)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2021, 1:31am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-play-this-game-when-i-cant-earn-isk/333694/38 "2021-10-23T01:31:30Z")
> [@Aisha\_Katalen](#): > > Eve is a PvP sandbox where everyone competes with everyone No its not. ---
**Author:** ![Rekindle](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/rekindle/32/382332_2.png) [@Rekindle](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Rekindle)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2021, 1:33am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-play-this-game-when-i-cant-earn-isk/333694/39 "2021-10-23T01:33:39Z")
> [@Destiny\_Corrupted](#): > > One of CCP’s biggest historical failures is not putting new players into actual corporations run by paid staff members. Yeah thats it. ---
**Author:** ![Torimika](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/torimika/32/429655_2.png) [@Torimika](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Torimika)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2021, 2:05am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-play-this-game-when-i-cant-earn-isk/333694/40 "2021-10-23T02:05:07Z")
If you want to make money, stick with the exploration in the short term, and as I think someone said above, work on PvE combat skills. I can’t comment on joining a corporation as I’m playing solo and haven’t joined one yet. I started in June and found that my best earner was exploration in low-sec and wormholes, followed by gas huffing in low-sec (between 15 and 40 million ISK per hour, depending on the type of gas). Kept dying, but by dropping off loot regularly at NPC stations I was earning multiples of my ship value before it got blown up. I’ve only ventured into null sec a couple of times, but find that I prefer low’s risk v. reward and that it just seems better for solo living. I found Dad Dex’s videos on using an alpha heron in a wormhole very useful in working out how to go about exploring in relative safety. Doing this, I first plexed my account in August, and I’m now plexed through to the middle of January. You can earn plenty of ISK to allow you to do what you want, just from a heron and some T1 PvE ships. (And yes, I’ve been using a Drake regularly in low-sec to do anything up to Chemical labs and DED 4/10s. Again, for every one I’ve lost I’ve usually used it to earn 10 times its value. And, in losing them I’ve learned how to avoid becoming prey and how to deal with harder combat sites. I even take it into wormholes and clean up on blue loot (but don’t recommend it to start with).) ---
**Author:** ![Gix\_Firebrand](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gix_firebrand/32/456949_2.png) [@Gix\_Firebrand](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gix_Firebrand)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2021, 2:06am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-play-this-game-when-i-cant-earn-isk/333694/41 "2021-10-23T02:06:20Z")
> [@Blento\_0404](#): > > I just spent about 9 hours in last three days in 0.0 to -1,0 systems. I tried to do data and relic sites. > 9 hours equals: > about 100 jumps, > 18 data sites, > 2 relic sites, > two serpentis “high risk” sites, > > 92millions isk Uh 92 mil ain’t that bad. Buy a bunch of herons and just do expo in low/WHs. You’ll make more than you lose. Learn more about the game. > [@Kellie\_McCalamitie](#): > > Yes, and I’m serious about this: Uninstall. > The game is broken and CCP won’t spend a dime to fix it so you’re really wasting your time. > Better games than EVE out there. > Also, this is relevant to you - besides the mining part: Still out here crying huh? > [@Kellie\_McCalamitie](#): > > PS: Don’t pay attention to these cretins who take pot shots at you in this forum, most are Trolls just here to pounce on threads like yours 'cause they have no lives. 90% of the “members” here are Trolls who don’t even play the game anymore. I suggest one thing about them: Mute. The forum does have such a feature. Actually the only people trolling are ones who don’t play, i.e. you. > [@Kellie\_McCalamitie](#): > > Yea… It’s “open-world” but we have to play their way… What a joke. I mean we get it, you’re bad at EVE. > [@Kellie\_McCalamitie](#): > > EVE isn’t real life and all those trolls will pounce on telling you that if you even give a real-life example so you can wait a long time if you’re “eager to hear it”. Bro you were comparing killing miners in EVE to killing civilians in war. Like come on bro. > [@Torimika](#): > > (And yes, I’ve been using a Drake regularly in low-sec to do anything up to Chemical labs and DED 4/10s. Again, for every one I’ve lost I’ve usually used it to earn 10 times its value. And, in losing them I’ve learned how to avoid becoming prey and how to deal with harder combat sites. I even take it into wormholes and clean up on blue loot (but don’t recommend it to start with).) Thankee for learning to EVE. You are an inspiration. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-play-this-game-when-i-cant-earn-isk/333694.md?page=1) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-play-this-game-when-i-cant-earn-isk/333694.md?page=3)