# How to play this game when i cant earn ISK? **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [October 22, 2021, 7:49pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-play-this-game-when-i-cant-earn-isk/333694 "2021-10-22T19:49:35Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 7
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2021, 5:51am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-play-this-game-when-i-cant-earn-isk/333694/122 "2021-10-29T05:51:26Z")
> [@Wadiest\_Yong](#): > > To which we can add #6: “Don’t touch that thing” That’s the worst one. That’s what all the high-sec carebear trash corporation directors use. ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2021, 6:49am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-play-this-game-when-i-cant-earn-isk/333694/123 "2021-10-29T06:49:00Z")
> [@Blento\_0404](#): > > HOW THE HELL can I know about that? If you whined less, you might learn things. Nobody likes a crybaby. ---
**Author:** ![Duella\_Cre\_Vil](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/duella_cre_vil/32/297348_2.png) [@Duella\_Cre\_Vil](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Duella_Cre_Vil)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2021, 7:56am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-play-this-game-when-i-cant-earn-isk/333694/124 "2021-10-29T07:56:13Z")
People need to start quoting in-between every letter. ---
**Author:** ![Moko\_Musana](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/moko_musana/32/373694_2.png) [@Moko\_Musana](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Moko_Musana)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2021, 8:36am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-play-this-game-when-i-cant-earn-isk/333694/125 "2021-10-29T08:36:51Z")
An Astero is not a Covert Ops ship. It’s a pirate faction frigate that has a role bonus allowing it to fit a covops cloak. “True” CovOps can not just fit a covops cloak, but also interdiction nullifiers and covert ops cynoes While it takes some time to be able to fly a “true” CovOps, a capsuleer can fly an astero within 17 hours after capsuleer creation, and less then that if you chose galente or amarr factions while creating the toon. It’s just about getting the cloaking skill to level 4 for the covops cloak ---
**Author:** ![Jah\_Ruels](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jah_ruels/32/293719_2.png) [@Jah\_Ruels](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jah_Ruels)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2021, 8:56am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-play-this-game-when-i-cant-earn-isk/333694/126 "2021-10-29T08:56:02Z")
> [@Moko\_Musana](#): > > An Astero is not a Covert Ops ship. I don’t believe I mentioned Astero in any of my posts since I signed up in the forum. > [@Moko\_Musana](#): > > While it takes some time to be able to fly a “true” CovOps, a capsuleer can fly an astero within 17 hours after capsuleer creation Thanks for the info. I shall look into that. o7 ---
**Author:** ![Verlyn](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/verlyn/32/435163_2.png) [@Verlyn](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Verlyn)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2021, 9:19am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-play-this-game-when-i-cant-earn-isk/333694/127 "2021-10-29T09:19:32Z")
@Blento_0404 Join Factional Warfare, farm plexes all day long, or do missions, and convert LP to ISK, then go pvp. Profits and fun all in one place. Or farm Abyssal space, profits. Or join a WH group, profits. Or do PI in nullspace for T4 materials, sell them, profits. Or trade in highsec, profits. Or do Incursions, profits. Or do FOB base bashing with a group, profits. Or do Sisters Of Eve LV4 missions and Burner missions, convert LP, Profits. Could go on … ---
**Author:** ![Aisha\_Katalen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aisha_katalen/32/387724_2.png) [@Aisha\_Katalen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aisha_Katalen)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2021, 9:57am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-play-this-game-when-i-cant-earn-isk/333694/128 "2021-10-29T09:57:33Z")
The trick is doing it _right_ which takes effort to figure out and learn, effort to make a plan, execute it and assess afterwards to then fine-tune over time. Gitting Gud doesn’t come instantly nor without effort, brain effort. People who just “do stuff” will have to accept they do things the hard, costly and explodey way. If they don’t like that then perhaps they should rethink their strategy. Otherwise there’s always mining… ---
**Author:** ![Gix\_Firebrand](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gix_firebrand/32/456949_2.png) [@Gix\_Firebrand](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gix_Firebrand)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2021, 10:10am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-play-this-game-when-i-cant-earn-isk/333694/129 "2021-10-29T10:10:54Z")
> [@Blento\_0404](#): > > You need to learn how to read friend. > Also, I am bored by you. Have a nice day. The very fact that I am replying to you proves I can read 😃 I mean I guess I’m able to read better than you as I’ve never been caught by a cloaky astero before… ---
**Author:** ![Lincoln\_Spicuous](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lincoln_spicuous/32/285513_2.png) [@Lincoln\_Spicuous](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Lincoln_Spicuous)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2021, 10:23am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-play-this-game-when-i-cant-earn-isk/333694/130 "2021-10-29T10:23:18Z")
> [@Aisha\_Katalen](#): > > Gitting Gud doesn’t come instantly nor without effort, brain effort. > > People who just “do stuff” will have to accept they do things the hard, costly and explodey way. If they don’t like that then perhaps they should rethink their strategy. > > Otherwise there’s always mining… Oh, but mining too, could be done in a very explodey (well, less so since the venture replaced jet can mining/flipping) and very inefficient way, if not researched properly 😈 ---
**Author:** ![Oskar\_Milde](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/oskar_milde/32/396309_2.png) [@Oskar\_Milde](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Oskar_Milde)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2021, 10:55am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-play-this-game-when-i-cant-earn-isk/333694/131 "2021-10-29T10:55:13Z")
I forgot that this was a thread about how much winning you were doing. Sorry friend. ---
**Author:** ![Oskar\_Milde](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/oskar_milde/32/396309_2.png) [@Oskar\_Milde](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Oskar_Milde)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2021, 11:36am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-play-this-game-when-i-cant-earn-isk/333694/133 "2021-10-29T11:36:50Z")
I think you’re being a little unfair here my friend. Ultimately, the point of the game is to have fun. If you set a limit for yourself that the only way to have fun is to fly X type of ship, or to have X number of skillpoints, that is a self-imposed restriction, not one forced on you by the game. I’d had three or four stints in the game over nearly a decade by the time I got to 15/20m skillpoints. I’d had fun each time, too (until I didn’t, or RL got in the way, and I unsubbed). Where I think Mike is going with his point, and I agree, is that if you make earning isk your sole motivating factor for playing Eve, you will inevitably burn yourself out through overworking your game time or through sheer frustration as one isk-making activity or another is nerfed or otherwise impacted by CCP changes. ---
**Author:** ![State\_Soldier\_1](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/state_soldier_1/32/336854_2.png) [@State\_Soldier\_1](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/State_Soldier_1)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2021, 11:43am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-play-this-game-when-i-cant-earn-isk/333694/134 "2021-10-29T11:43:48Z")
I think the question is why do you need so much isk after 1 month. Level 2 and 3 agent missions should be enough. Highsec exploration as well. If your truly a new player I suggest trying the epic arks. Its fairly low risk as long as you follow the guides and several hundred million isk. ---
**Author:** ![Jah\_Ruels](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jah_ruels/32/293719_2.png) [@Jah\_Ruels](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jah_Ruels)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2021, 12:52pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-play-this-game-when-i-cant-earn-isk/333694/135 "2021-10-29T12:52:36Z")
> [@Moko\_Musana](#): > > a capsuleer can fly an astero within 17 hours OK, I checked it out… The Astero is a rather weak ship ( per info panel ) with only two hardpoints ( include the Covert Ops cloaking device and you’re left with only one hardpoint ) That’s a waste of SP and modules in my opinion, especially when one considers the price of a covert op module tier 2 which sells for 104mil at least, unless you only use it for Exploration. Which leaves fitting it on one of the other ships listed on which you can fit such a module, and the training time on those is no less than a month. I’ll be shooting for a Covert-Ops class ship instead and wait for training on it. I’m in no hurry, I can learn more about the game while I wait to be able to pilot that class of ships. Thanks again for your input. Fly Safe o7 ---
**Author:** ![Zoiie](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zoiie/32/292363_2.png) [@Zoiie](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zoiie)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2021, 1:00pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-play-this-game-when-i-cant-earn-isk/333694/136 "2021-10-29T13:00:03Z")
# [How to play this game when i cant earn ISK?](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-play-this-game-when-i-cant-earn-isk/333694) You’re in luck! There is an SALE offer to buy PLEX for ISK here [EVE Online Store (Game Time, PLEX, Packs) | EVE Online | EVE Online Store](https://secure.eveonline.com/plex) ---
**Author:** ![JuuR\_Zibaoo](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/juur_zibaoo/32/375053_2.png) [@JuuR\_Zibaoo](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/JuuR_Zibaoo)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2021, 3:56pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-play-this-game-when-i-cant-earn-isk/333694/137 "2021-10-29T15:56:46Z")
@Blento_0404 join other corp … talk with the guys in that corp … learn … make isk … easy … sorry to hear that story but i think you ended up in a very wrong place contact me if you need help JuuR ---
**Author:** ![Wadiest\_Yong](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/wadiest_yong/32/426921_2.png) [@Wadiest\_Yong](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Wadiest_Yong)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2021, 4:16pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-play-this-game-when-i-cant-earn-isk/333694/138 "2021-10-29T16:16:24Z")
> [@Rekindle](#): > > Take away all your alts, your years of isk, your influence, and your extra skill points away and try to look at this game from another perspective than the one you think you have all figured out. In other words start a new account and don’t interact with old accounts. Done that. I knew what and how to train, and make the most use of the 5M sp available on an _alpha_ account. I ran triglavian conduits with a single alpha toon in a passive shield tanked drake - a fit I shared regularly on the rookie help channel… where the response was often “It would take me months to fly this”. “Yep. It does, so what. I just made my first billion in hisec.” That was when I returned to the game in 2019 and didn’t even have my old account active. > [@Rekindle](#): > > If I say “I play the game for ISK, its the be all and end all of the game” ( I dont) and you come along and say “this is not the be all end all of the game” - you are stating an opinion and taking sand out of the sandbox if you ask me. The vets are telling you, from friggin experience 'It’s gonna be a grind and it will wear you out". Learn the game, know what to learn to survive and learn to set your ambitions to your abilities and knowledge. That’s why most of the > [@Rekindle](#): > > self declared authortiative “veterans” are veterans of EvE in the first place. They say what _from their long experience_ is a good approach and what definitely is a bad one. They don’t take sand out of the box, they just told you where the quicksand is. Have fun in Ultima Online, go back to WoW or whatever floats your dingy. ---
**Author:** ![Wadiest\_Yong](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/wadiest_yong/32/426921_2.png) [@Wadiest\_Yong](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Wadiest_Yong)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2021, 4:30pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-play-this-game-when-i-cant-earn-isk/333694/139 "2021-10-29T16:30:44Z")
> [@Jah\_Ruels](#): > > OK, I checked it out… The Astero is a rather weak ship ( per info panel ) with only two hardpoints There’s more to those numbers, it’s about how one uses them. Try doing this with a _normal_ covops frig; > **[Astero | Ship](https://zkillboard.com/ship/33468/solo/)** > > Astero: 873,187 ships destroyed and 344,117 ships lost. You won’t take down cruisers with it, but at least you can go hunting with it, or hack, or spy, in the most dangerous parts of New Eden, and kill you some targets. Knowing how to read the numbers and the slot layout is a very challenging aspect for most players, myself included. ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2021, 4:56pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-play-this-game-when-i-cant-earn-isk/333694/140 "2021-10-29T16:56:14Z")
> [@Rekindle](#): > > **Isk is not he be all and end all of the game. This is a very non sandboxy thing to say.** > > You really, really need to stop painting the entire game from your own perspective and opinions, which are limited to your own experiences and understanding. > [@Rekindle](#): > > If I say “I play the game for ISK, its the be all and end all of the game” ( I dont) and you come along and say “this is not the be all end all of the game” - you are stating an opinion and taking sand out of the sandbox if you ask me. > [@Rekindle](#): > > IMHO This game is so clearly isk driven . The only ones who say it isn’t are the ones who are so stupiid rich they are detatched. > Success and loss are measured in isk, **Yet we have self declared authortiative “veterans” suggesting there’s more to the game.** LOL Look at that massive flip-flop within the scope of like five sentences. > [@Rekindle](#): > > Before you and the rest of the eve community started telling me how to play, I was happy to mine .6 systems for omber in a Thorax. I’d rather the universe teach me than your opinion, honestly. Maybe ISK is everything to me based on the system feedback? > > IMHO This game is so clearly isk driven . The only ones who say it isn’t are the ones who are so stupiid rich they are detatched. > Success and loss are measured in isk, Yet we have self declared authortiative “veterans” suggesting there’s more to the game. And this bit as a whole… No, that’s just **you**. I would take a kill mail and being called a ■■■■■■■■■■■■ when I show up in local over any amount of money any day of the week. Even if I have to fly small T1 ships, _I don’t care_. I haven’t touched PvE in over a decade in any serious capacity, except when experimenting with new additions to the game (e.g. wormhole and abyssal sites) out of curiosity. If I need money, I’d much rather hang around a hub or a suicide-gank spot and steal some loot than grind away for the equivalent of 30 cents an hour like some Chinese prison factory laborer. And maybe I make less money that way, but why would I care? My needs are limited to replacing my combat ships, and not to the ever-moving goal of growing my wallet as much as possible and at all costs. And because I didn’t spend my time playing like a wage slave, I managed to develop skills that ensure that I don’t even need to replace my stuff all that often. And maybe _that’s_ the reason why I’ve been here for almost 20 years, while the Veldspar-grinding carebears bail after 3 months and a jumbled rage-quit thread. ---
**Author:** ![Jah\_Ruels](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jah_ruels/32/293719_2.png) [@Jah\_Ruels](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jah_Ruels)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2021, 5:13pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-play-this-game-when-i-cant-earn-isk/333694/141 "2021-10-29T17:13:16Z")
> [@Wadiest\_Yong](#): > > You won’t take down cruisers with it, but at least you can go hunting with it, or hack, or spy, in the most dangerous parts of New Eden, and kill you some targets. Sounds good. I guess with more SP the Astero could be fun for me. Thanks! ---
**Author:** ![Duella\_Cre\_Vil](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/duella_cre_vil/32/297348_2.png) [@Duella\_Cre\_Vil](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Duella_Cre_Vil)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2021, 5:24pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-play-this-game-when-i-cant-earn-isk/333694/142 "2021-10-29T17:24:44Z")
Lol UO was savage. I used to murder people and steal all their stuff and their clothes, then hide.in the bank where they couldn’t touch me. Sorry but Eve is a carebear game compared to ultiima online. Just had to interject there. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-play-this-game-when-i-cant-earn-isk/333694.md?page=6) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-play-this-game-when-i-cant-earn-isk/333694.md?page=8)