# How to Retain Players in EVE **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [May 31, 2025, 1:13pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-retain-players-in-eve/488137 "2025-05-31T13:13:48Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 13
**Author:** ![Gerard\_Amatin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gerard_amatin/32/481361_2.png) [@Gerard\_Amatin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gerard_Amatin)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2025, 1:26pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-retain-players-in-eve/488137/243 "2025-06-10T13:26:02Z")
> [@Bakster\_Kane](#): > > Probably because someone thought it would be a good idea Have you ever wondered **why** someone thought it to be a good idea to have that tax? ---
**Author:** ![Laubrani](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/laubrani/32/430644_2.png) [@Laubrani](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Laubrani)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2025, 1:26pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-retain-players-in-eve/488137/244 "2025-06-10T13:26:05Z")
> [@Syzygium](#): > > Probably someone with a degree in economics. CCP does not have that anymore, so no. ---
**Author:** ![Bakster\_Kane](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/bakster_kane/32/460913_2.png) [@Bakster\_Kane](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Bakster_Kane)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2025, 1:26pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-retain-players-in-eve/488137/245 "2025-06-10T13:26:23Z")
All the time ---
**Author:** ![Swing\_Vote1](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/swing_vote1/32/461282_2.png) [@Swing\_Vote1](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Swing_Vote1)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2025, 1:27pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-retain-players-in-eve/488137/246 "2025-06-10T13:27:45Z")
> [@Gerard\_Amatin](#): > > Have you ever wondered Do you think you’re building tension with your big reveal? You’re very two dimensional. ---
**Author:** ![Bakster\_Kane](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/bakster_kane/32/460913_2.png) [@Bakster\_Kane](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Bakster_Kane)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2025, 1:29pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-retain-players-in-eve/488137/247 "2025-06-10T13:29:45Z")
The issue isn’t the tax amount, but its application before a buy/sell transaction occurs. ---
**Author:** ![Swing\_Vote1](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/swing_vote1/32/461282_2.png) [@Swing\_Vote1](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Swing_Vote1)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2025, 1:33pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-retain-players-in-eve/488137/248 "2025-06-10T13:33:57Z")
I think Einstein (Gerard) is trying to say, what if the person doesn’t have funds after? ---
**Author:** ![Bakster\_Kane](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/bakster_kane/32/460913_2.png) [@Bakster\_Kane](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Bakster_Kane)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2025, 1:39pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-retain-players-in-eve/488137/249 "2025-06-10T13:39:46Z")
Let me keep it short. For a sell order, for example a 5% broker tax is deducted from the received ISK (e.g., sell for 1000 ISK, pay 50 ISK tax). For a buy order, 5% of the order value is reserved upfront (e.g., 1M ISK order reserves 50K ISK). If you lack funds for the reserve, the buy order is rejected. ---
**Author:** ![Gerard\_Amatin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gerard_amatin/32/481361_2.png) [@Gerard\_Amatin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gerard_Amatin)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2025, 1:40pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-retain-players-in-eve/488137/250 "2025-06-10T13:40:57Z")
> [@Swing\_Vote1](#): > > Do you think you’re building tension with your big reveal? No, there should be no tension; I already answered it weeks ago. But Bakster doesn’t seem to care. Broker fees and relist fees are the fence that keep most 1-isking market bots out of the game. The existence of broker fee and relist fee is what allows real players to compete on the market. Market bots used to be a plague when these fees didn’t exist. Nowadays people hardly remember them. It takes a naive person to ask the removal of these things without knowing their purpose, and it takes an idiot to keep asking for removal of these taxes even when told. That, or someone who wishes to bot EVE and/or sell bots to cheat. ---
**Author:** ![Lydra\_Victor](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lydra_victor/32/515931_2.png) [@Lydra\_Victor](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Lydra_Victor)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2025, 1:43pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-retain-players-in-eve/488137/251 "2025-06-10T13:43:47Z")
> [@T\_Elliot](#): > > Price spikes Price Volatility? ---
**Author:** ![Swing\_Vote1](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/swing_vote1/32/461282_2.png) [@Swing\_Vote1](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Swing_Vote1)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2025, 1:45pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-retain-players-in-eve/488137/252 "2025-06-10T13:45:15Z")
The market is a mess. Inflation is real. ---
**Author:** ![Bakster\_Kane](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/bakster_kane/32/460913_2.png) [@Bakster\_Kane](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Bakster_Kane)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2025, 1:47pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-retain-players-in-eve/488137/253 "2025-06-10T13:47:37Z")
I’ve said it three times, but @gerard still doesn’t seem to get it. The problem isn’t the broker tax rate, it’s that it’s applied before a transaction takes place. ---
**Author:** ![Syzygium](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/syzygium/32/516281_2.png) [@Syzygium](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Syzygium)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2025, 1:47pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-retain-players-in-eve/488137/254 "2025-06-10T13:47:44Z")
The concept for fees and taxes in the EVE market was made long ago. And it hasn’t been touched in it’s core so far. So, yes. ---
**Author:** ![T\_Elliot](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/t_elliot/32/453851_2.png) [@T\_Elliot](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/T_Elliot)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2025, 1:49pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-retain-players-in-eve/488137/255 "2025-06-10T13:49:28Z")
> [@Bakster\_Kane](#): > > When prices spike, volume drops, and producers may face listing fees based on the spike if they try to take advantage of it, plus order change fees if they adjust prices in case it remains unsold at the elevated price. Are you suggesting that the producers having to face relisting fees to increase the price to match the spike in price is bad for the producers? ---
**Author:** ![Lydra\_Victor](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lydra_victor/32/515931_2.png) [@Lydra\_Victor](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Lydra_Victor)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2025, 1:50pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-retain-players-in-eve/488137/256 "2025-06-10T13:50:42Z")
> [@Swing\_Vote1](#): > > Inflation is real. When heavy rains pours after the drought, Floods happens. Post Scarcity, CCP opens up the flood gates of expansions. ---
**Author:** ![T\_Elliot](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/t_elliot/32/453851_2.png) [@T\_Elliot](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/T_Elliot)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2025, 1:51pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-retain-players-in-eve/488137/257 "2025-06-10T13:51:42Z")
> [@Bakster\_Kane](#): > > Absolutely. The price spikes are out of control because of listing and order change fees. They are a self own from the point of view of CCP. I can remember back when sellers would constantly relist items and fight over tiny amounts of the price up or down. I don’t think the current situation is worse. ---
**Author:** ![Gerard\_Amatin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gerard_amatin/32/481361_2.png) [@Gerard\_Amatin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gerard_Amatin)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2025, 1:52pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-retain-players-in-eve/488137/258 "2025-06-10T13:52:28Z")
> [@Bakster\_Kane](#): > > I’ve said it three times, but @gerard still doesn’t seem to get it. The problem isn’t the broker tax rate, it’s that it’s applied before a transaction takes place. Yes, that’s the idea of broker taxes. You pay to have your sale up, regardless of whether it sells or not. ---
**Author:** ![Bakster\_Kane](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/bakster_kane/32/460913_2.png) [@Bakster\_Kane](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Bakster_Kane)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2025, 1:56pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-retain-players-in-eve/488137/259 "2025-06-10T13:56:25Z")
You are benefiting of the rigged market, of course you dont think its worse. But it is slowly undermining the economy 🙂 So now you know why the trade hubs are becoming ghost towns: ITS BECAUSE THEY CHARGE A FEE ON TRANSACTIONS BEFORE THEY TAKE PLACE 📣 ---
**Author:** ![Gerard\_Amatin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gerard_amatin/32/481361_2.png) [@Gerard\_Amatin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gerard_Amatin)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2025, 1:58pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-retain-players-in-eve/488137/260 "2025-06-10T13:58:13Z")
This feels like talking to a wall. ---
**Author:** ![Bakster\_Kane](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/bakster_kane/32/460913_2.png) [@Bakster\_Kane](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Bakster_Kane)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2025, 1:59pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-retain-players-in-eve/488137/261 "2025-06-10T13:59:24Z")
Trade hubs are turning into ghost towns because they charge broker fees before transactions takes place ---
**Author:** ![Swing\_Vote1](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/swing_vote1/32/461282_2.png) [@Swing\_Vote1](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Swing_Vote1)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2025, 2:00pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-retain-players-in-eve/488137/262 "2025-06-10T14:00:36Z")
> [@Gerard\_Amatin](#): > > You pay to have your sale up, regardless of whether it sells or not. The “fees” are too high. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-retain-players-in-eve/488137.md?page=12) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-retain-players-in-eve/488137.md?page=14)