# How to solve over usage of the Capital Ships? **URL:** \ **Category:** Player Features & Ideas\ **Created:** [May 28, 2019, 1:56pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-solve-over-usage-of-the-capital-ships/162538 "2019-05-28T13:56:57Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Scipio\_Artelius](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/scipio_artelius/32/408264_2.png) [@Scipio\_Artelius](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Scipio_Artelius)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2019, 3:24pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-solve-over-usage-of-the-capital-ships/162538/21 "2019-05-30T15:24:40Z")
> [@Runa\_Yamaguchi](#): > > I would put forth that a drought of resources would be a huge catalyst for conflict yeah I agree with that. In particular, regional distribution of resources, or redistribution occasionally. Those seem like good conflict drivers. ---
**Author:** ![Runa\_Yamaguchi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/runa_yamaguchi/32/197532_2.png) [@Runa\_Yamaguchi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Runa_Yamaguchi)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2019, 3:32pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-solve-over-usage-of-the-capital-ships/162538/22 "2019-05-30T15:32:28Z")
If I was at the switch, I’d reduce the amount of ore by 5%/10%/15% in HS/LS/NS per month until the average ship prices of all classed returned to pre Rorq times… ---
**Author:** ![Scoots\_Choco](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/scoots_choco/32/262262_2.png) [@Scoots\_Choco](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Scoots_Choco)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2019, 8:09pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-solve-over-usage-of-the-capital-ships/162538/23 "2019-05-30T20:09:47Z")
> [@Runa\_Yamaguchi](#): > > I’d reduce the amount of ore by 5%/10%/15% in HS/LS/NS per month until the average ship prices of all classed returned to pre Rorq times… Thank god you’re not then. ---
**Author:** ![darkestkhan\_Eriker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/darkestkhan_eriker/32/390091_2.png) [@darkestkhan\_Eriker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/darkestkhan_Eriker)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2019, 11:22pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-solve-over-usage-of-the-capital-ships/162538/24 "2019-05-30T23:22:05Z")
> [@Bronson\_Hughes](#): > > _I say let capitals into hisec._ Not all of them, and not everywhere, but open up the market for hisec dwellers. That would increase demand and balance out the market forces making them so cheap. Risk free use of capitals to farm smash the supplier / surprise surprise / in the midst of deadspace ? Bring it on 😃 What could possibly go wrong… To be fair tags don’t create wealth - they redistribute it. ---
**Author:** ![darkestkhan\_Eriker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/darkestkhan_eriker/32/390091_2.png) [@darkestkhan\_Eriker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/darkestkhan_Eriker)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2019, 11:24pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-solve-over-usage-of-the-capital-ships/162538/25 "2019-05-30T23:24:39Z")
> [@Runa\_Yamaguchi](#): > > Right now there is a MASSIVE over production issue across the board. Look at the prices of T1 BS…it’s ridiculous. > > Your point is not incorrect though but you are too focused on the the little picture IMO. The whole economy is totally borked at the moment and it starts with the over abundance of ore. Price of ships in general is affected by “I want to make ships and minerals I mine are free” crowd. It often is lower than price of minerals needed to build them… but conversely there is a lot of underproduced goods. Especially T2. ---
**Author:** ![darkestkhan\_Eriker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/darkestkhan_eriker/32/390091_2.png) [@darkestkhan\_Eriker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/darkestkhan_Eriker)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2019, 11:27pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-solve-over-usage-of-the-capital-ships/162538/26 "2019-05-30T23:27:30Z")
> [@Fizy45](#): > > Yea for a time it may benefit you and probably all other Alliences but you guys will keep losing it (everyone loses their caps from time time) so eventually in weeks things will settle… I know it is not capitals, but questions to you: How many destroyers I have in my hangars? How long would it take CODE. to burn through them all? How many can I make in one day? Once you answer these you will know why you have wrong ideas about the way it all works. We are stockpiled … to the point that most don’t know why they stockpile more. But stockpiling continues - just in case. ---
**Author:** ![Runa\_Yamaguchi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/runa_yamaguchi/32/197532_2.png) [@Runa\_Yamaguchi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Runa_Yamaguchi)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2019, 11:33pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-solve-over-usage-of-the-capital-ships/162538/27 "2019-05-30T23:33:39Z")
> [@Scoots\_Choco](#): > > Thank god you’re not then. I fully agree…but a more fleshed out counter would be great as this is a pretty serious issue that effect the whole game. ---
**Author:** ![Runa\_Yamaguchi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/runa_yamaguchi/32/197532_2.png) [@Runa\_Yamaguchi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Runa_Yamaguchi)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2019, 11:37pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-solve-over-usage-of-the-capital-ships/162538/28 "2019-05-30T23:37:46Z")
I would say that since the Rorq changes, the sheer volume mined is the issue (and that’s reflected in the created vs destroyed data in the reports). This is the core problem ![](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/3/6/36e597a67235ec448495523602a6745d6b69df28.png) ---
**Author:** ![darkestkhan\_Eriker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/darkestkhan_eriker/32/390091_2.png) [@darkestkhan\_Eriker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/darkestkhan_Eriker)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2019, 11:51pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-solve-over-usage-of-the-capital-ships/162538/29 "2019-05-30T23:51:51Z")
That is true that rorqs mine like crazy but we should wait and see what effect recent nerfs will have. ---
**Author:** ![Bronson\_Hughes](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/bronson_hughes/32/189075_2.png) [@Bronson\_Hughes](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Bronson_Hughes)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2019, 3:06am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-solve-over-usage-of-the-capital-ships/162538/30 "2019-05-31T03:06:57Z")
> [@darkestkhan\_Eriker](#): > > > [@Bronson\_Hughes](#): > > > > _I say let capitals into hisec._ Not all of them, and not everywhere, but open up the market for hisec dwellers. That would increase demand and balance out the market forces making them so cheap. > > Risk free use of capitals to farm smash the supplier / surprise surprise / in the midst of deadspace ? Amy hisec mission with an acceleration gate would be off limits to a capital ship. Sure, there’s a few you could potentially farm, but you can’t guarantee that you get them often enough to really be profitable. ---
**Author:** ![darkestkhan\_Eriker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/darkestkhan_eriker/32/390091_2.png) [@darkestkhan\_Eriker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/darkestkhan_Eriker)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2019, 8:18am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-solve-over-usage-of-the-capital-ships/162538/31 "2019-05-31T08:18:21Z")
> [@Bronson\_Hughes](#): > > Amy hisec mission with an acceleration gate would be off limits to a capital ship. Sure, there’s a few you could potentially farm, but you can’t guarantee that you get them often enough to really be profitable. Oh, I welcome our new glamourex overlords… No, I can get them often enough. Just need to get them from a bunch of agents and can easily net over 200M/h… also pulling alts exist. ---
**Author:** ![Lugburz](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lugburz/32/486230_2.png) [@Lugburz](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Lugburz)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2019, 9:37am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-solve-over-usage-of-the-capital-ships/162538/33 "2019-06-13T09:37:11Z")
Two things. \*Empire “incursions” into lowsec where scaling empire fleets patrol stations, gates, belts; maybe even the facwar plexes? These wouldnt have to even happen every day just randomly and mostly in systems bordering that empires space; eg tama for caldari. Listed as ‘border patrols’ they could have system wide effects such as cyno inhib and could be a major pain for people looking to gatecamp… unless theyre willing to fight - so the npc fleets should be more akin to fob or diamond rats but have the capability of bringing in much larger fodder. Theres lots you could do with that… Oh if your -X the npc’s shoot you… and if your the opposing faction militia obv… cool twist not if your any of the other two militias… can add some depth and clandestine intermilitia operations. But really citadels ruin much in regards to militia space… \*TWO pirate faction incursions into and through sov space that scales with the activity in those regions; so delve would have some major incursions to deal with whilst scalding pass, not so much. Related to adm’s… drastically decrease anomalies in sov space, ratting isk should be made from these and they should also pose a risk to supers and titans if not careful; which should help to keep huge swathes of cap forces locally and in check via actual losses. Im not at all in the slightest bit worried about isk making, bounties can go through the roof - i mean technically if you earn 100 million every five minutes its fine if your also likely to lose that ship every five minutes… when the incursion dies down (as its random events) you may actually have to look outside your borders to make isk also. Of course if your no1 isk farmer risk isnt your thing, and it is the opinion of such people that has turned new eden into this utterly… dull galaxy. ---
**Author:** ![Lugburz](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lugburz/32/486230_2.png) [@Lugburz](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Lugburz)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2019, 9:43am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-solve-over-usage-of-the-capital-ships/162538/34 "2019-06-13T09:43:31Z")
Oh and change rorquals back into mining support ships, they should not be able to outmine a top exhumer but should be damn good at supporting them. but what use would rorq be then people scream?? Add random mining signatures (not anoms) called comet trails and a bigger ship bay and clone vat stuff and make it actually worthwhile to cyno to these places to mine. To be fair its not rocket science but CCP seem to have moved away from killing static complexes in the game into… well back into basically having static complexes in the game… we have basically gone from having lots of content back into not needing to move around. I literally cannot fathom why. ---
**Author:** ![Lugburz](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lugburz/32/486230_2.png) [@Lugburz](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Lugburz)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2019, 9:49am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-solve-over-usage-of-the-capital-ships/162538/35 "2019-06-13T09:49:46Z")
Its not that there is really over usage its just that theres no real risk, i mean in curse for example; there the sov is ‘owned’ by angels - yet they do nothing when a cyno is lit wouldnt it be better for immersion if there was the possibility that there could be an npc counter drop? Or maybe only in other areas like fountain or even delve? I dont think syndicate would be the same as every station should have its own master so to speak, basically its not supposed to be a sprawling empire. ---
**Author:** ![Jennifer\_Austin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jennifer_austin/32/321578_2.png) [@Jennifer\_Austin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jennifer_Austin)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2019, 8:23am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-solve-over-usage-of-the-capital-ships/162538/36 "2019-06-21T08:23:14Z")
Okay let’s first get done to most of the hulk isn’t used in nsany good mining boss worth his weight in salt will not allow one in the field in ns cost vs reward just isn’t there they’re high SEC boat Most of us used procurer And for myself because I don’t have a capital umbrella I use an orca and four skiffs in ns As for me and high sec I just don’t think the hulk gives me enough yield on return to justify the cost of the lost because it’s not if you’re going to lose it at the when you’re guaranteed going to lose it eventually can you use an iron to pay it back and the time but you could lose it in no not with code especially not in the ice fields it’s just not a very good viable option I’m not I don’t know if you’re a orca pilot or a rorqual pilot if you ever got a chance to use a rorqual you would understand the power they have and never say what you’re saying because they’re just freaking awesome I played with them on the test server under my one character he does not have the skills needed to run a rorqual officially yet he doesn’t a couple years and I have my own fax skilled up it’s going to be amazing and fun just by seeing it on the test server and seeing how you could press at work and stuff like that it just awesome The reason the rorqual has drones very simple it was a trade-off when they pulled them and made them go on field they have to give him reason to be on field besides boosting because that would be a very expensive boosting ship just for boosting said had to give them the ability to work solo if they chose to just like the orca or the porpoise I’ll be honest most of the time I don’t even put my drones out on my orca or my porpoise because I’m too busy moving or especially around my porpoise because there’s not enough cargo in the fleet hanger the whole even a full cycle with barges Max skilled after 2 barges fill up I have to move them to the ore hold ---
**Author:** ![Scoots\_Choco](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/scoots_choco/32/262262_2.png) [@Scoots\_Choco](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Scoots_Choco)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2019, 8:45am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-solve-over-usage-of-the-capital-ships/162538/37 "2019-06-21T08:45:30Z")
> [@Jennifer\_Austin](#): > > hulk isn’t used in nsany good mining boss worth his weight in salt will **not allow one in the field in ns** cost vs reward just isn’t there they’re high SEC boat > > Most of us used procurer Ok, well, your first opening statements are wrong, so that’s a good start. Hulks are definitely used in Nullsec, here’s a bunch that have died. I can see a good number of Hulks being used (and dying) in all three areas of space (High, Low, and Nullsec). > **[Hulk | Ship](https://zkillboard.com/ship/22544/losses/)** > > Hulk: 17,041 ships destroyed and 141,474 ships lost. I’m not even gonna bother with the rest of your comment since it doesn’t even have any connection to the OP’s main thread about solving the “over usage of capital ships.” ---
**Author:** ![Jennifer\_Austin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jennifer_austin/32/321578_2.png) [@Jennifer\_Austin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jennifer_Austin)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2019, 9:35am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-solve-over-usage-of-the-capital-ships/162538/38 "2019-06-21T09:35:40Z")
I was told first time I was down in NS to get that hulk off the field take it back to high-security space Because the riskvs reward just isn’t there and they make a very easy easy target And this was a major corporation with their own cap umbrella so I’m just telling you how I was taught I’m not saying it’s wrong I’m just saying at the hell of expensive loss ---
**Author:** ![Scoots\_Choco](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/scoots_choco/32/262262_2.png) [@Scoots\_Choco](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Scoots_Choco)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2019, 9:41am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-solve-over-usage-of-the-capital-ships/162538/39 "2019-06-21T09:41:21Z")
> [@Jennifer\_Austin](#): > > I was told first time I was down in NS to get that hulk off the field take it back to high-security > space Whoever told you that was a bad player and didn’t know what he was talking about. Sorry you had to get bad advice like that. > [@Jennifer\_Austin](#): > > And this was a major corporation with their own cap umbrella I don’t really care. That’s terrible advice and a Hulk in nullsec is fine. Rorquals have PANIC buttons that can save nearby Industrials, as well as remote reps. So either you were in a very bad “major corp” (lol) or that wasn’t a major corp and you just thought they were because you were new at the time. Either way, Hulks are very commonplace in Nullsec and they mine so much with Rorqual boosts they almost always make the hull cost back within a day or two. ---
**Author:** ![Gerard\_Amatin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gerard_amatin/32/481361_2.png) [@Gerard\_Amatin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gerard_Amatin)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2019, 9:54am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-solve-over-usage-of-the-capital-ships/162538/40 "2019-06-21T09:54:28Z")
> [@Scoots\_Choco](#): > > Either way, Hulks are very commonplace in Nullsec and they mine so much with Rorqual boosts they almost always make the hull cost back within a day or two. Just wondering, is this estimation of ‘hulk hull in two days’ the total amount of ISK you mine in a Hulk, or the extra amount of ISK you mine by using a Hulk instead of a Covetor? Because if you can mine a little less for a fraction of the cost, Covetors may still be superior in an environment where ships sometimes explode. > [@Jennifer\_Austin](#): > > I was told first time I was down in NS to get that hulk off the field take it back to high-security > space When you’re not in danger (keep an eye on intel and local) and you’re in a mining fleet with boosts and people to compress / haul your ore, I’d think the Covetor/Hulk are optimised for that role as high yield & small hold ships. Sure, if you’re mining solo in dangerous systems I would suggest using a Procurer instead. ---
**Author:** ![Runa\_Yamaguchi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/runa_yamaguchi/32/197532_2.png) [@Runa\_Yamaguchi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Runa_Yamaguchi)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2019, 11:27am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-solve-over-usage-of-the-capital-ships/162538/41 "2019-06-21T11:27:03Z")
As I always try to follow the code, I’ve come to see the Cov as a great ship. IF you always are watching local and prepped to jump, it can be a very profitable ship in LS. Follow the code, do a few extra things and profit… [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-solve-over-usage-of-the-capital-ships/162538.md?page=1) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-solve-over-usage-of-the-capital-ships/162538.md?page=3)