# How to solve the problem of mega sized merc alliances war deccing everyone in hi-sec **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [June 8, 2019, 10:39am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-solve-the-problem-of-mega-sized-merc-alliances-war-deccing-everyone-in-hi-sec/165503 "2019-06-08T10:39:45Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 18\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Daoden](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/daoden/32/271841_2.png) [@Daoden](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Daoden)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2019, 12:34pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-solve-the-problem-of-mega-sized-merc-alliances-war-deccing-everyone-in-hi-sec/165503/21 "2019-06-08T12:34:20Z")
I’m a WHer I don’t care about the dec I was trying to help those “little guys” from the “big bad guys” but they showed 0 interest in the help so to bad. ---
**Author:** ![Retribution\_atSubZero](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/retribution_atsubzero/32/139672_2.png) [@Retribution\_atSubZero](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Retribution_atSubZero)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2019, 12:35pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-solve-the-problem-of-mega-sized-merc-alliances-war-deccing-everyone-in-hi-sec/165503/22 "2019-06-08T12:35:16Z")
So then there’s no issue I suppose? Stay in your hole until the war is over. ---
**Author:** ![Daichi\_Yamato](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/daichi_yamato/32/252995_2.png) [@Daichi\_Yamato](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Daichi_Yamato)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2019, 12:35pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-solve-the-problem-of-mega-sized-merc-alliances-war-deccing-everyone-in-hi-sec/165503/23 "2019-06-08T12:35:58Z")
> [@safira\_jomita](#): > > No , it would be more expensive if you decc multiple wars, but small groups should be fine while deccing 1-2 wars What small groups? This is certainly not fine. ---
**Author:** ![Karak\_Terrel](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/karak_terrel/32/373453_2.png) [@Karak\_Terrel](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Karak_Terrel)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2019, 12:38pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-solve-the-problem-of-mega-sized-merc-alliances-war-deccing-everyone-in-hi-sec/165503/24 "2019-06-08T12:38:15Z")
Who would have thought that shorty after the “wardec fix” goes life people are already back on the forums crying about wardecs because the “fix” made everything even worse? This was so obvious it’s not even funny anymore. ---
**Author:** ![Daoden](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/daoden/32/271841_2.png) [@Daoden](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Daoden)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2019, 12:38pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-solve-the-problem-of-mega-sized-merc-alliances-war-deccing-everyone-in-hi-sec/165503/25 "2019-06-08T12:38:54Z")
No I’ve been flying around high trying to get a fight from them. ---
**Author:** ![Retribution\_atSubZero](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/retribution_atsubzero/32/139672_2.png) [@Retribution\_atSubZero](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Retribution_atSubZero)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2019, 12:39pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-solve-the-problem-of-mega-sized-merc-alliances-war-deccing-everyone-in-hi-sec/165503/26 "2019-06-08T12:39:46Z")
I guess you haven’t gone to their home and tempted them. A direct confrontation with redundancies is best. But, I’m a noob. ---
**Author:** ![Daoden](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/daoden/32/271841_2.png) [@Daoden](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Daoden)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2019, 12:40pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-solve-the-problem-of-mega-sized-merc-alliances-war-deccing-everyone-in-hi-sec/165503/27 "2019-06-08T12:40:55Z")
The point of my post was “quit crying, team up with others, and fight back” ---
**Author:** ![Retribution\_atSubZero](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/retribution_atsubzero/32/139672_2.png) [@Retribution\_atSubZero](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Retribution_atSubZero)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2019, 12:41pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-solve-the-problem-of-mega-sized-merc-alliances-war-deccing-everyone-in-hi-sec/165503/28 "2019-06-08T12:41:41Z")
Best of luck. ---
**Author:** ![Maekchu](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/maekchu/32/178692_2.png) [@Maekchu](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Maekchu)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2019, 1:07pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-solve-the-problem-of-mega-sized-merc-alliances-war-deccing-everyone-in-hi-sec/165503/29 "2019-06-08T13:07:15Z")
Dec immunity and highsec HQ’s have been implemented. What is the issue again? ---
**Author:** ![Daoden](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/daoden/32/271841_2.png) [@Daoden](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Daoden)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2019, 1:19pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-solve-the-problem-of-mega-sized-merc-alliances-war-deccing-everyone-in-hi-sec/165503/30 "2019-06-08T13:19:23Z")
Mellenials ---
**Author:** ![Kezrai\_Charzai](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/kezrai_charzai/32/394578_2.png) [@Kezrai\_Charzai](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Kezrai_Charzai)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2019, 1:48pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-solve-the-problem-of-mega-sized-merc-alliances-war-deccing-everyone-in-hi-sec/165503/31 "2019-06-08T13:48:19Z")
> [@Rivr\_Luzade](#): > > Furthermore, huge blobs should pay more to declare war against smaller groups (the following numbers are only for the sake of illustration): > > If a 1000 chars strong group attacks a 10 chars strong group, they should pay 1B ISK > If a 10 chars strong group attacks a 1000 chars strong group, they should pay 10M ISK. > If a 1000 chars group alliance attacks a 1000 chars strong group, they pay 500M ISK. > If a 10 chars strong group declares war against a 10 chars strong group, they pay 10M ISK. > Taking risks against the odds should be rewarded, not punished. Well, I’m not wedded to any one idea, especially in an area not my expertise. The big-group costs vs. small group notion is actually mentioned in one of my older posts. The key idea is, to make it easier for smaller groups to conduct reasonable wars, and harder for larger groups to conduct blanket wars against numerous targets (of whatever size). Some of the issues you mentioned (number of wars increased by shedding 1-man alt corps) could be dealt with by counting the number of, for want of a better word, ‘entities’ you are at war worth. 1 alliance and all it’s allies would only count as 1 war, in that case. This is one area where I am a little less harsh on CCP for flailing around trying to find a solution, because over the years I’ve seen numerous wardec suggestions that were considered to be ‘less bad’ than the others, but can’t recall ever seeing a solution/approach that was even moderately widely approved of. ---
**Author:** ![Nicolai\_Serkanner](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nicolai_serkanner/32/358049_2.png) [@Nicolai\_Serkanner](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nicolai_Serkanner)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2019, 2:19pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-solve-the-problem-of-mega-sized-merc-alliances-war-deccing-everyone-in-hi-sec/165503/32 "2019-06-08T14:19:14Z")
> [@Rivr\_Luzade](#): > > The abuse that drives people of out EVE are null sec blocks blobbing everything to death. Bollocks. ---
**Author:** ![Karak\_Terrel](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/karak_terrel/32/373453_2.png) [@Karak\_Terrel](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Karak_Terrel)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2019, 2:40pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-solve-the-problem-of-mega-sized-merc-alliances-war-deccing-everyone-in-hi-sec/165503/33 "2019-06-08T14:40:33Z")
> [@Maekchu](#): > > Dec immunity and highsec HQ’s have been implemented. > > What is the issue again? Yeah, and look at all the New and old players that now join and come back to EVE like the carebears predicted… Wait PCU is droping again? How could that be?! ---
**Author:** ![Archer\_en\_Tilavine](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/archer_en_tilavine/32/461718_2.png) [@Archer\_en\_Tilavine](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Archer_en_Tilavine)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2019, 3:02pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-solve-the-problem-of-mega-sized-merc-alliances-war-deccing-everyone-in-hi-sec/165503/34 "2019-06-08T15:02:53Z")
> [@LlamaDrama](#): > > Make it again so that the more wars you have initiated or willingly joined in to, the more it costs to declare new ones. Vehemently disagree. I’m inclined to think that you do not fully understand the changes of the new wardec system or their consequences, and why for the most part the new changes already make it more expensive to wardec en masse than previously. As lengthy and argumentative as the thread has become, you might want to give [WarDec System Change Failure](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/wardec-system-change-failure/165093) a read ---
**Author:** ![Retribution\_atSubZero](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/retribution_atsubzero/32/139672_2.png) [@Retribution\_atSubZero](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Retribution_atSubZero)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2019, 9:23pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-solve-the-problem-of-mega-sized-merc-alliances-war-deccing-everyone-in-hi-sec/165503/35 "2019-06-08T21:23:57Z")
Was this ever an issue? Wasn’t this what eve was about? Like I said, gotta love the new version. I wonder if their focus groups/etc. are correct in thinking beating each other with nerf bats and enforcing a space utopia won’t cause a huge bleed out of paying players, but I don’t think CCP cares. ---
**Author:** ![JUSTIFIED\_ARROGANCE](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/justified_arrogance/32/263131_2.png) [@JUSTIFIED\_ARROGANCE](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/JUSTIFIED_ARROGANCE)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2019, 12:40am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-solve-the-problem-of-mega-sized-merc-alliances-war-deccing-everyone-in-hi-sec/165503/36 "2019-06-11T00:40:30Z")
We were, _thankfully_, given a way to avoid this form of wardec abuse, take the ‘gift’ CCP gave us and stop dropping structures. ---
**Author:** ![Retribution\_atSubZero](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/retribution_atsubzero/32/139672_2.png) [@Retribution\_atSubZero](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Retribution_atSubZero)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2019, 2:38am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-solve-the-problem-of-mega-sized-merc-alliances-war-deccing-everyone-in-hi-sec/165503/37 "2019-06-11T02:38:17Z")
Oh, I think I use them as strategic bases in wars. Seems like a good idea, they’re cheap! ---
**Author:** ![system](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/4/1/41ec4921cbaca7a6f9ea556e7cc20018461eae5e.png) [@system](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/system)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2019, 2:49am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-solve-the-problem-of-mega-sized-merc-alliances-war-deccing-everyone-in-hi-sec/165503/38 "2019-09-09T02:49:35Z")
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