# How to Talk to your Child about the Minmatar Rebellion? **URL:** \ **Category:** Intergalactic Summit\ **Created:** [March 4, 2023, 11:38pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-talk-to-your-child-about-the-minmatar-rebellion/397798 "2023-03-04T23:38:59Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 13\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Sevrailan\_Tian\_Valirieux](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sevrailan_tian_valirieux/32/360697_2.png) [@Sevrailan\_Tian\_Valirieux](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sevrailan_Tian_Valirieux)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2023, 8:09am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-talk-to-your-child-about-the-minmatar-rebellion/397798/41 "2023-03-10T08:09:42Z")
I might add it’s important to differentiate between the decisions of leaders and government and the desires of regular folk. Leadership often requires a degree of cynicism and pragmatism that often ignores the ideals an average citizen believes in. Were there cynical reasons behind Federal support of the Matari rebellion? Certainly. However I think there was a genuine abhorrence held towards the institution of slavery by the citizenry of the Federation that fostered a genuine desire for the liberation of the Minmatar. Yet even though the institution of slavery is evil in my mind, it is an evil that serves those in power. I’m pretty sure the common Amarr believe in their own sense of doing good in the world according to their own beliefs. ---
**Author:** ![Jesoph\_Swolin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jesoph_swolin/32/383423_2.png) [@Jesoph\_Swolin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jesoph_Swolin)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2023, 10:08am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-talk-to-your-child-about-the-minmatar-rebellion/397798/42 "2023-03-10T10:08:15Z")
> [@Sevrailan\_Tian\_Valirieux](#): > > Yet even though the institution of slavery is evil in my mind, it is an evil that serves those in power. I’m pretty sure the common Amarr believe in their own sense of doing good in the world according to their own beliefs. For them, enslaving people for generations is a mechanism for erasing the culture of their captives, and indoctrinating them into their own. They are entitled to believe that is a good thing. We are entitled to believe that is a bad thing. That disagreement can only be resolved in a language they understand. It is not a language that is spoken or written. ---
**Author:** ![Sevrailan\_Tian\_Valirieux](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sevrailan_tian_valirieux/32/360697_2.png) [@Sevrailan\_Tian\_Valirieux](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sevrailan_Tian_Valirieux)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2023, 12:15am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-talk-to-your-child-about-the-minmatar-rebellion/397798/43 "2023-03-11T00:15:31Z")
> [@Jesoph\_Swolin](#): > > It is not a language that is spoken or written. Then I’ll leave it to the Minmatar to not appreciate the spoken or written word. ---
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2023, 4:03am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-talk-to-your-child-about-the-minmatar-rebellion/397798/44 "2023-03-11T04:03:37Z")
You know, when you’re going to try to be snide and belittling about illiteracy, it helps to not get the salient facts _exactly_ wrong. Let’s take a look at context! > [@Jesoph\_Swolin](#): > > For them, enslaving people for generations is a mechanism for erasing the culture of their captives, and indoctrinating them into their own. They are entitled to believe that is a good thing. We are entitled to believe that is a bad thing. That disagreement can only be resolved in a language they understand. It is not a language that is spoken or written. In this context, it’s obvious that ‘they’ are the Amarr while ‘we’ refers to the Matari people. Thus, Jesoph’s implication is that the _Amarr_ understand only violence. In addition, you’ve already, in this very thread, referenced _reading_ official histories in The Republic, which means you’d have needed the Minmatar to appreciate the written word in order for there to _be_ official histories to read. Now, you’ve _also_ admitted to lying and fabricating your account entirely, so there’s _some_ wiggle-room on whether we should take your statements as reliable that there are, in fact, words written by the Minmatar out there someplace. But then, you’ve _also_ been pretty consistently schooled in [another thread](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/trillions-of-federation-minmatar-would-be-alienated-or-perhaps-even-abandoned-by-republic-elusenian-government-in-exile-requests-clarification-regarding-the-republic-governments-position-towards-diaspora-in-event-of-possible-alliance-suspension/397681/24) about pretty much everything from supercarrier operations to whether or not Shakor needs to _hide_ his threats of politically-motivated mass murder of Minmatar… via written word… from a Minmatar. So maybe trying to get clever and snide about _our_ mastery of the written word isn’t a can of worms _you_ want to go opening, hmm? ---
**Author:** ![Sevrailan\_Tian\_Valirieux](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sevrailan_tian_valirieux/32/360697_2.png) [@Sevrailan\_Tian\_Valirieux](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sevrailan_Tian_Valirieux)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2023, 4:55am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-talk-to-your-child-about-the-minmatar-rebellion/397798/45 "2023-03-11T04:55:53Z")
I had no intention of implying anything about illiteracy but rather seeking to use violence instead of words. There’s always a path towards diplomacy. ---
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2023, 5:28am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-talk-to-your-child-about-the-minmatar-rebellion/397798/46 "2023-03-11T05:28:01Z")
> [@Sevrailan\_Tian\_Valirieux](#): > > There’s always a path towards diplomacy. The Amarr faith _requires_ them to convert all of humanity to the worship of their god. It’s not a ‘hey, you know what’d be nice?’ or even a ‘go help them to know the truth’. Rather, they are called on to convert every human being. If you refuse to adhere to their beliefs, do you know what their faith—which has the weight of law, in the Empire—calls upon them to do? > [@](#): > > But those who turn away from his light, > And reject his true word > Shall be struck down by his wrath > For we are his retribution incarnate > His Angels of Vengeance" Diplomacy, where the Empire is concerned, is only ever a tool to let them have more time to prepare to kill you. The _honest_ ones, like @Mitara_Newelle of House Sarum, admit this. The rest just count on _you_ to believe that the Amarr will ever let the _wants_ of _men_ overrule the _commands_ of their _god_. And remember, adopting the Amarr faith means your primary loyalty is to their god, and its servant on this plane… whoever’s butt is on the Golden Throne. Any Amarr congregations in the Federation? They may not even know it themselves, but they’re sleeper cells, to be called upon to Obey God when the time comes. Feel free to ask them. Ask all of the Amarr on these boards. See if any of them will say ‘yes, we can let people continue to defy the will of god, no problem!’ ---
**Author:** ![Sevrailan\_Tian\_Valirieux](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sevrailan_tian_valirieux/32/360697_2.png) [@Sevrailan\_Tian\_Valirieux](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sevrailan_Tian_Valirieux)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2023, 7:17am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-talk-to-your-child-about-the-minmatar-rebellion/397798/47 "2023-03-11T07:17:44Z")
> [@Arrendis](#): > > Any Amarr congregations in the Federation? Sure, I grew up friends with a lot of Ni-Kunni migrants from the Empire during my slumdog youth. They were good people and always helped out me and mine when no one else would. They did invite me to their congregations a few times but their religion never really clicked with me - I never got the whole drinking wine and saying it was the blood of life and such. Overall they just seemed like regular folk with their own peculiar beliefs. As far as I am aware they weren’t out to conquer or enslave anyone. ---
**Author:** ![Synthetic\_Cultist](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/synthetic_cultist/32/388342_2.png) [@Synthetic\_Cultist](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Synthetic_Cultist)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2023, 1:26pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-talk-to-your-child-about-the-minmatar-rebellion/397798/48 "2023-03-11T13:26:06Z")
> [@Sevrailan\_Tian\_Valirieux](#): > > I never got the whole drinking wine and saying it was the blood of life and such. This Sounds somewhat like a Sani Sabik Congregation, not an Amarr Orthodox one. ---
**Author:** ![Sevrailan\_Tian\_Valirieux](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sevrailan_tian_valirieux/32/360697_2.png) [@Sevrailan\_Tian\_Valirieux](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sevrailan_Tian_Valirieux)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2023, 1:57pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-talk-to-your-child-about-the-minmatar-rebellion/397798/49 "2023-03-11T13:57:31Z")
> [@Synthetic\_Cultist](#): > > This Sounds somewhat like a Sani Sabik Congregation, not an Amarr Orthodox one. I’ll admit I don’t even know what a Sani Sabik is, it’s not like they were handing out informational pamphlets. ---
**Author:** ![Jesoph\_Swolin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jesoph_swolin/32/383423_2.png) [@Jesoph\_Swolin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jesoph_Swolin)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2023, 6:52am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-talk-to-your-child-about-the-minmatar-rebellion/397798/50 "2023-03-14T06:52:54Z")
> [@Arrendis](#): > > Jesoph’s implication is that the _Amarr_ understand only violence To be specific, my implication is that the diametrically opposed interests entail that diplomacy is at best a method to stall for time. At the end of the day no amount of fancy parties and smiles will change that their objective is to reclaim, and that they consider this a good thing, nor will it change that most sane people would consider that idea fit for the looney bin, as it isn’t serving a god as much as it is playing one. ---
**Author:** ![PorceIain](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/porceiain/32/476273_2.png) [@PorceIain](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/PorceIain)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2023, 7:11am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-talk-to-your-child-about-the-minmatar-rebellion/397798/51 "2023-03-14T07:11:05Z")
Their reclaiming seems to be much more likely now that the federation has aligned itself with the Empress… Should the minmatar turn to the Caldari I very much doubt our willingness to assist them in a defensive war. The respective capsuleer militias of the State and Empire have ties tested and tempered by fire. ---
**Author:** ![Jesoph\_Swolin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jesoph_swolin/32/383423_2.png) [@Jesoph\_Swolin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jesoph_Swolin)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2023, 9:09am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-talk-to-your-child-about-the-minmatar-rebellion/397798/52 "2023-03-15T09:09:07Z")
You row with the oars you have. ---
**Author:** ![system](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/4/1/41ec4921cbaca7a6f9ea556e7cc20018461eae5e.png) [@system](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/system)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2023, 9:09am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-talk-to-your-child-about-the-minmatar-rebellion/397798/53 "2023-06-13T09:09:11Z")
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