# How To Wardec Non-War-Eligible Corps **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [February 19, 2020, 8:04pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-wardec-non-war-eligible-corps/220847 "2020-02-19T20:04:35Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 12
**Author:** ![Runa\_Yamaguchi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/runa_yamaguchi/32/197532_2.png) [@Runa\_Yamaguchi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Runa_Yamaguchi)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2020, 4:31am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-wardec-non-war-eligible-corps/220847/221 "2020-02-20T04:31:06Z")
Well I guess this is officially February’s CCP clusterfig… ---
**Author:** ![Xeux](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xeux/32/428022_2.png) [@Xeux](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xeux)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2020, 5:01am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-wardec-non-war-eligible-corps/220847/222 "2020-02-20T05:01:27Z")
CCP does not reply to this kind of thing in the forums. You are really going to hate it when they declare it to be acceptable gameplay. ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Alar](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_alar/32/228859_2.png) [@Destiny\_Alar](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Alar)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2020, 7:51am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-wardec-non-war-eligible-corps/220847/223 "2020-02-20T07:51:07Z")
> **[War Declaration Changes - The War Adjacent to Christmas | EVE Online](https://www.eveonline.com/article/pjblu1/war-declaration-changes-the-war-adjacent-to-christmas)** > > Check out this dev blog for the latest information on the changes coming to war declarations with the December release next week! ## **CONTROL OVER STRUCTURE TRANSFERS** One additional related change is also coming in the December release, allowing corporations to toggle whether they wish to accept structure transfers or not. This option is a generally useful tool for corporations and is especially important alongside the war declaration changes as it prevents the tactic of transferring a structure to a corporation to make them war eligible against their wishes. This option will be available in the corporation details page and can be changed freely by the CEO and directors with immediate effect. ![AcceptStructuresToggleWindow](https://webimg.ccpgamescdn.com/7lhcm73ukv5p/7C5nVTb3gci0ES846e4Aks/117a602815c27270e1fc2f7a7f176c02/AcceptStructuresToggleWindow.png_w=900&fm=jpg&fl=progressive) When this option is set to reject structure transfers, any attempts to transfer an Upwell structure or **customs office** to the corporation will be declined automatically. Transfers of sovereignty structures within the corporations of an alliance are not affected by this setting. This setting will default to the “reject structure transfers” state for all corporations on patch day. ---
**Author:** ![Dimitryy](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dimitryy/32/416221_2.png) [@Dimitryy](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dimitryy)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2020, 7:52am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-wardec-non-war-eligible-corps/220847/224 "2020-02-20T07:52:39Z")
Darkestkhan, do you even understand wardecs? These guys arn’t looking for fights, they’re not gonna fight a horde of thrashers or sit still and let us kill them. They’ll dock up, play on other characters, etc, until they form a fleet, and they will hunt individuals, mostly new players, etc. Yes we can tell people to be careful, but realistically not every person who wants to run a mission is going to have an alt, nor every person mining have a scout on every gate. And even if most do, they’ve got enough neutral alts to find the few who don’t. So what, they gank some poor noob, even if we have enough on, we form thrashers, get the gang together and do what, stand over his corpse? They are long gone by then, and they won’t come back and throw away their Iki/Zarm fleet. Either you yourself are brand new and don’t understand how wardecs are used, or you know very well that a pile of thrashers will do nothing more than waste our members time. ---
**Author:** ![Theron\_Larkis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/theron_larkis/32/170573_2.png) [@Theron\_Larkis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Theron_Larkis)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2020, 8:08am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-wardec-non-war-eligible-corps/220847/225 "2020-02-20T08:08:28Z")
> [@Dimitryy](#): > > waste our members time No, it’s content. For both sides. ---
**Author:** ![Scipio\_Artelius](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/scipio_artelius/32/408264_2.png) [@Scipio\_Artelius](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Scipio_Artelius)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2020, 8:13am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-wardec-non-war-eligible-corps/220847/226 "2020-02-20T08:13:48Z")
> [@Destiny\_Alar](#): > > This setting will default to the “reject structure transfers” state for all corporations on patch day. It’s not technically a transfer to corp. It’s a launch for corp, which is a different mechanic. One other thing you should do is ensure that each of your members has a jump clone installed individually in systems of their own choice, a long way away from where the corp centralises its activity. Never tell each other where those clones are located. If you are all playing together and then decide to dock up to avoid an engagement, you all just then jump clone away and then do you own thing each for 24 hours. The wardeccers don’t know whether you’ve all logged off or not, and meanwhile you are each 30-40 jumps away doing something else. Requires people to keep their own mouth shut about where their clone is, but it’s an effective way to get away from wardeccers quickly and then continue playing. ---
**Author:** ![Dracvlad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dracvlad/32/444126_2.png) [@Dracvlad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dracvlad)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2020, 8:30am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-wardec-non-war-eligible-corps/220847/227 "2020-02-20T08:30:53Z")
That was an excellent post and a very good response to the haters. > [@Dimitryy](#): > > True Wanda, war declarations generally are not exploits, however I wonder about this particular mechanic for several reasons. > > 1. The gantry, unlike the poco activation itself, doesn’t require roles, and doesn’t show up as a corp-owned structure to directors. This runs counter to CCP’s own statements, and the rest of the structures, making it up to the members (or spies), not the directors, whether the corp is at war. > 2. CCP’s documentation and the in-game notifications mention the 24 hour warmup, however this mechanic allows one to instantly activate the wardec, bypassing the timer with no warning. > > IF it is truly working as intended, we would appreciate CCP updating their ingame and help materials to reflect the these actual, intentional mechanics. If it is not working as intended, we want CCP to step up and say “this is an exploitive mechanic, we are fixing it.” Good bullet points. I am shocked that the war dec goes live immediately, I did not know this, how is that even possible? Ah I think I get how they do that. From my point of view dropping the gantry without the affect of permissions and having that identify as a structure thus enabling a war dec is an exploit. Putting down a gantry is not an exploit in itself, nor is declaring war of course. I did a petition on this and I had a senior GM reply to me. They are looking into it and I suggest you look out for something in the patch notes. At a guess you will be having this fixed, but I doubt that they will declare it an exploit. > [@Nevyn\_Auscent](#): > > Regardless of any of that, it is contrary to what CCP have said that a corp member without roles can deploy structures. That’s the “Exploit” part of this. > There is no vetting procedure that can stop this. Hits the nail on the head as per normal. > [@Dimitryy](#): > > CCP’s own website and documentation say that the corp can reject all structure transfers and remove all structures, and thus be not-eligible unless a character with roles anchors a structure. It also states that a wardec has a 24 hour warmup period before beginning. That is the issue at hand. Again great post, no wonder they hate yur corp when you just say it as it is. > [@Nevyn\_Auscent](#): > > Really, explain a realistic vetting procedure that isn’t ‘Only allow RL friends’ to stop someone doing this, given it requires NO roles. Very much this. > [@Nevyn\_Auscent](#): > > All that needs happening is you should need roles to drop to drop a POCO gantry also. > Then if you manage to talk your CEO into roles, good on you, have your wardec. That is what needs to be changed. @Destiny_Alar I have a question, you guys have a war dec corp that defends your structure holding corps don’t you. And you indulge in war decs, I have seen this corp lose ships to PIRAT and go and fight them. When these people go off and say you are avoiding war decs it is not quite true is it. You fight but do not expose your soft under belly and all they want is the soft underbelly. > [@Dimitryy](#): > > Agreed Darkesthan, check out my link a bit further up, we have already been using Thrashers to great effect in our null roams. They are great, a while back PL decided to come play in Catch and our first response was to mass up in Thrashers and take out bling ships it was hilarious. > [@Dimitryy](#): > > Darkestkhan, do you even understand wardecs? > > These guys arn’t looking for fights, they’re not gonna fight a horde of thrashers or sit still and let us kill them. They’ll dock up, play on other characters, etc, until they form a fleet, and they will hunt individuals, mostly new players, etc. > > Yes we can tell people to be careful, but realistically not every person who wants to run a mission is going to have an alt, nor every person mining have a scout on every gate. And even if most do, they’ve got enough neutral alts to find the few who don’t. > > So what, they gank some poor noob, even if we have enough on, we form thrashers, get the gang together and do what, stand over his corpse? They are long gone by then, and they won’t come back and throw away their Iki/Zarm fleet. > > Either you yourself are brand new and don’t understand how wardecs are used, or you know very well that a pile of thrashers will do nothing more than waste our members time. You are right and you are wrong, the way to do it is to bait them into it. Think log off traps. ---
**Author:** ![Ugren\_Okaski](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ugren_okaski/32/181459_2.png) [@Ugren\_Okaski](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ugren_Okaski)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2020, 8:39am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-wardec-non-war-eligible-corps/220847/228 "2020-02-20T08:39:11Z")
> [@Destiny\_Alar](#): > > ICANP has ALL STRUCTURES REJECTED But nobody transferred customs office to them. ---
**Author:** ![Sere\_O\_Asis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sere_o_asis/32/374997_2.png) [@Sere\_O\_Asis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sere_O_Asis)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2020, 8:56am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-wardec-non-war-eligible-corps/220847/229 "2020-02-20T08:56:50Z")
> [@Ugren\_Okaski](#): > > But nobody transferred customs office to them. I think this is the heart of the issue. Current rules govern the “transfer” of structures; but, a member of your corp is deploying the gantry, there is no formal “transfer” so this event does not fall under those mechanics. Someone outside of your corp could not do this, at all, only a corp member could pull this off. Last fall CCP was talking “chaos”, and having to really rely on your corpmates. If I remember correctly Hilmar specifically spoke about spies and scouting and having to really depend on the people you flew with, if CCP are serious and have not backtracked on that plan, this innovative use of mechanics may just be considered emergent gameplay. ---
**Author:** ![FairyTail\_Omaristos](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/fairytail_omaristos/32/145000_2.png) [@FairyTail\_Omaristos](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/FairyTail_Omaristos)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2020, 8:57am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-wardec-non-war-eligible-corps/220847/230 "2020-02-20T08:57:09Z")
> [@Destiny\_Alar](#): > > Do you have anything resembling proof? screenshots, videos, Yes. All of the above. Go look at the numerous threads that have been locked after proof was posted and he had yet another meltdown. I have to say, it is pretty damn sad that you don’t know anything of the history of this imbecile or his corp yet here you are jumping in both-feet-first to ‘defend’ it. > [@Destiny\_Alar](#): > > i dont need to research my own damn corp XD Yeah, you do. > [@Destiny\_Alar](#): > > (i have by the way) Clearly you haven’t as all of what you are asking for is in the threads in THIS VERY SUB-FORUM here. Scroll down you idiot. > [@Destiny\_Alar](#): > > this isnt a problem exclusive to ICANP No, we ALL get dec’d by them but the only difference is, we KNOW AND UNDERSTAND this is a fkn PvP game and are not whiny little b1tches who think they are somehow special and outside the rules the rest of us play by. > [@Dimitryy](#): > > Having a big pile of players however doesn’t really help in wars. It does though. Honestly, it does. That’s the point - if you chase them off and they dock up (you don’t btw cos you’re lame but still…) they aren’t going to beat you. But you keep on crying about how you shouldn’t have to play the same game as the rest of us Sabian-mouthpiece. > [@Dimitryy](#): > > but honestly these are cool people, and a good community being destroyed here. No they’re not and no it isn’t. Some clueless people are being suckered by you so this isn’t their fault - it is your for dragging them into your scam-corp in order to fleece them/ If this “great community” of your is indeed destroyed the game will be better off for it and all the future new players that come won’t have to be scammed by you then lied to by you about why they are in such a terrible place. > [@Destiny\_Alar](#): > > even if we WERE You are. Bc you love to play the victim card. All. The. Time. See how many other corps are here bleating about this? No? It’s because they are not whiny fools who think they are better than everyone else and they get on with the game. > [@Destiny\_Alar](#): > > Customs office is SPECIFICALLY named as being part of rejection of structures. Yes. It is. “TRANSFER” you moronic fool! What you are crying about is NOT transferring structures in any way at all. AT ALL! > [@Destiny\_Alar](#): > > if this was YOUR corp you would be throwing a fit harder than we are. Erm… it is happening to other corps and nobody else is crying about it. Know why? Bc “war is hell man”. You want easy then piss off and play Hello Kitty Island or some sort of mobile game. > [@Destiny\_Alar](#): > > doesnt change the fact that we are a good corp that does **scam** people and does **want** the rules **changed for us so we can continue this mass-scam**. Corrected it for you 🙂 > [@Dimitryy](#): > > but CCP didn’t SAY it was an exploit, so what’s the problem friend? Yes. So shut your nonsense whining. > [@Dimitryy](#): > > we are not satisfied …because we demand special treatment to satisfy our privilege… > [@Dimitryy](#): > > I am an FC Leading a load of newbros to their explodey deaths so you can farm the tax is not being “an FC” it is being “a d1ck”. > [@Nevyn\_Auscent](#): > > There is no vetting procedure that can stop this. There is also no vetting procedure that can stop Sabus getting done for 90bil the last time this scam backfired on him either. What’s your point? > [@Dimitryy](#): > > our roams gank single targets So… you roam and gank but when people do it to you it’s unfair? Dafuq? Are you actually high af right now? > [@Max\_Deveron](#): > > SiCo is being targeted and its corps whether or not they are still in its Alliance for this very reason, and for reasons where spies have provided screenshots of internal Mails, Wallet transactions and the like in other threads of Sabus exploiting Newbros. > > In My opinion, considering that your CEO has abandoned ICANP and run away from EvE… Ok. All “them vs us” stuff that I enjoy getting into aside for the moment: First, this is NOT the first time icanp have been in, then rapidly out of, an alliance due to this sort of thing. Second, to see someone like this telling you about how their entire alliance has been adversely effected by this crap Sabus perpetrates should tell you something very clearly. You people should grow up, stop sucking down the lies your “glorious leader” gave you before running away from the mess he (again!) created and go elsewhere. Lastly, cos this is EVE and the whole “them vs us” thing - screw SiCo. Nothing personal though, you made good points and I am sorry to hear you guys are all still getting crap for this idiot’s actions. But yeah, screw you guys & go Provi!! 😜 Wow. This could go on and on and on. I will no doubt post more at some point cos this is genuinely HILARIOUS but for now I reckon this is more than enough. Last point: ROFLMAO!! ---
**Author:** ![Ugren\_Okaski](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ugren_okaski/32/181459_2.png) [@Ugren\_Okaski](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ugren_Okaski)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2020, 9:01am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-wardec-non-war-eligible-corps/220847/231 "2020-02-20T09:01:19Z")
The only thing in this thread that sounds exploit-ey is the ability to pull gantry back for instant wardec. I hope this gets changed. ---
**Author:** ![FairyTail\_Omaristos](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/fairytail_omaristos/32/145000_2.png) [@FairyTail\_Omaristos](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/FairyTail_Omaristos)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2020, 9:02am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-wardec-non-war-eligible-corps/220847/232 "2020-02-20T09:02:00Z")
> [@Merin\_Ryskin](#): > > It is so obviously good for the game …because CCP hates your corp too and think this is hilarious. I know you’re too polite to have pointed that out but don’t worry - I got you on this np \o/ ---
**Author:** ![Scoots\_Choco](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/scoots_choco/32/262262_2.png) [@Scoots\_Choco](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Scoots_Choco)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2020, 9:02am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-wardec-non-war-eligible-corps/220847/233 "2020-02-20T09:02:39Z")
So… What I’m getting from this whole thread is that pretty much every other corp in the game is fine and only ICANP is having this problem,and most of it due to their own HR practices (or lack thereof). Seems like a “you guys problem” than anything else. ---
**Author:** ![FairyTail\_Omaristos](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/fairytail_omaristos/32/145000_2.png) [@FairyTail\_Omaristos](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/FairyTail_Omaristos)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2020, 9:07am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-wardec-non-war-eligible-corps/220847/234 "2020-02-20T09:07:25Z")
> [@Destiny\_Alar](#): > > but how many times is WeR4 going to be allowed to do this to EVERYONE As many as they want to. Bc war. We get dec’d every single week by a couple of corps who are using an “EVIL MEAN EXPLOITAGASM OF MEANIES AND UNFAIRNESS COS THEY ARE MEAN AND NASTY EXPLOITASPERGOIDS!!!” but you don’t see us crying. You see us saying “so what? Grow up and deal with it like we do”. ---
**Author:** ![Ugren\_Okaski](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ugren_okaski/32/181459_2.png) [@Ugren\_Okaski](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ugren_Okaski)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2020, 9:09am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-wardec-non-war-eligible-corps/220847/235 "2020-02-20T09:09:27Z")
> [@FairyTail\_Omaristos](#): > > You see us saying “so what? Grow up and deal with it like we do”. Actually, seeing how ICANP already has PvP fleets (judging by some messages higher), they should be the ones without problems with this mechanic. ---
**Author:** ![FairyTail\_Omaristos](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/fairytail_omaristos/32/145000_2.png) [@FairyTail\_Omaristos](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/FairyTail_Omaristos)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2020, 9:10am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-wardec-non-war-eligible-corps/220847/236 "2020-02-20T09:10:30Z")
> [@Nevyn\_Auscent](#): > > That is the exploit being discussed. This is war. Man. You can’t say this is an exploit as it is more akin to things like espionage etc. Spies don’t turn around to their handlers and say “yeah, but isn’t this a bit mean? It’s like we’re exploiting them and even though they are the enemy shouldn’t we be the better people and just not attack them or something?” Get a grip. ---
**Author:** ![FairyTail\_Omaristos](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/fairytail_omaristos/32/145000_2.png) [@FairyTail\_Omaristos](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/FairyTail_Omaristos)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2020, 9:20am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-wardec-non-war-eligible-corps/220847/237 "2020-02-20T09:20:20Z")
> [@Destiny\_Alar](#): > > When this option is set to reject structure transfers, Yes. “REJECT TRANSFER”. What is it you are not understanding here? > [@darkestkhan\_Eriker](#): > > at your numbers even t1 frigs are force to reckon with Close, but not quite. At THOSE numbers even Corvettes with 2 sh1t-tier turrets of any kind in a Zergling suicide-run is a force to be fkn terrifying! ---
**Author:** ![Dracvlad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dracvlad/32/444126_2.png) [@Dracvlad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dracvlad)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2020, 9:34am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-wardec-non-war-eligible-corps/220847/238 "2020-02-20T09:34:58Z")
Course of action is simple if you want to escalate it. Every player in your corp who loses a ship to these war decs needs to petition their ship loss and do not accept a no, refuse to allow it to be closed until it is reimbursed. Make the point that this is due to failure of their code and mechanics and link that you are not war eligible, that acceptance of structures are off and that your permissions only allow a very select group of people to drop structures. Point out that it is a failure in the game mechanics. CCP like any company do not like to have to do a lot of work, however in my opinion they are going to patch this soon. It is not a great thing to have to do, ultra shitty in fact and it is not a good thing to upset the Devs. However I do believe they will patch it from what was said to me and I would advise not doing this. Good luck. ---
**Author:** ![Ugren\_Okaski](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ugren_okaski/32/181459_2.png) [@Ugren\_Okaski](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ugren_Okaski)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2020, 9:41am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-wardec-non-war-eligible-corps/220847/239 "2020-02-20T09:41:17Z")
> [@Dracvlad](#): > > Course of action is simple if you want to escalate it. Yeah, it is simple: win those wars through sheer numbers… > [@Dracvlad](#): > > Every player in your corp who loses a ship to these war decs needs to petition their ship loss and do not accept a no Wait, what? As stated in the first post, CCP currently considers this mechanic working as intended. The loss to intentional mechanics would not be reimbursed, and those petitions would just reinforce general public opinion about ICANP as whiners. ---
**Author:** ![Dracvlad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dracvlad/32/444126_2.png) [@Dracvlad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dracvlad)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2020, 9:44am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-wardec-non-war-eligible-corps/220847/240 "2020-02-20T09:44:43Z")
> [@Ugren\_Okaski](#): > > Yeah, it is simple: win those wars through sheer numbers… If only this complicated deep game was so simple… > [@Ugren\_Okaski](#): > > Wait, what? > > As stated in the first post, CCP currently considers this mechanic working as intended. The loss to intentional mechanics would not be reimbursed, and those petitions would just reinforce general public opinion about ICANP as whiners. Actually no, they are going to patch it. How would you know they petitioned? Are you hacking their accounts? As for whining it is a justifiable question mark on a mechanic that is not working properly and exposing them to loss. Not much more can be said about it. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-wardec-non-war-eligible-corps/220847.md?page=11) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-wardec-non-war-eligible-corps/220847.md?page=13)