# How will EVE Possibly Compete with Amazing Star Citizen? **URL:** \ **Category:** Out Of Pod Experience\ **Created:** [March 24, 2018, 9:53am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-will-eve-possibly-compete-with-amazing-star-citizen/65607 "2018-03-24T09:53:20Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Major\_Errogance](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/major_errogance/32/57325_2.png) [@Major\_Errogance](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Major_Errogance)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2018, 9:38pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-will-eve-possibly-compete-with-amazing-star-citizen/65607/42 "2018-03-25T21:38:07Z")
Why does CCP needs plans to migrate the 800 humans playing the 32k online characters? They just do most of their stuff AFK while watching Netflix or playing some other game even Star Citizen. Do you even play EVE Online?! You are probably just another game reviewer/blogger posting to have others do their job while they sleep, right? ---
**Author:** ![Fluffy\_Moe](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/fluffy_moe/32/11132_2.png) [@Fluffy\_Moe](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Fluffy_Moe)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2018, 10:05pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-will-eve-possibly-compete-with-amazing-star-citizen/65607/43 "2018-03-25T22:05:52Z")
I saw that, it was a factor in me not backing the game. Although I do understand why they did it. From the business perspective, its something lucrative for folks that have too much money on their hands and I don’t think that the regular $45 (or whatever it is) starter package alone would get them anywhere near what they have financially. So it is needed. As far as PvP goes, I’m currently what can be described as a PvX player, I enjoy all aspects of games I play, PvP, PvE, I try it all. But what I don’t like is to be put in situations with no way out, without any counterplay at all. If general combat and game mechanics prevent counterplay, then that is just flat out bad design. If the game systems are too limitting and too complex to be designed for somewhat balanced gameplay, they the PvP itself needs to become controlled. No unwanted PvP unless its somewhat balanced or there is conterplay available. So I am hoping whatever my next game will be, ragardless if its SC or not, it will have this somewhat solved. ---
**Author:** ![Dirty-Rotten-Pirate](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dirty-rotten-pirate/32/449386_2.png) [@Dirty-Rotten-Pirate](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dirty-Rotten-Pirate)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2018, 2:43am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-will-eve-possibly-compete-with-amazing-star-citizen/65607/44 "2018-03-26T02:43:39Z")
OK - this thread made me go and check out Star Citizen. One quote stood out: _“The developers [of Star Citizen] plan to include a slider allowing players to determine their level of exposure to other players.”_ 😲 Whats wrong with 100% exposure to other players - with, or preferably without, consent? Please don’t let Eve HS and NS carebears see this. ---
**Author:** ![silo\_Adtur](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/silo_adtur/32/24364_2.png) [@silo\_Adtur](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/silo_Adtur)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2018, 8:02am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-will-eve-possibly-compete-with-amazing-star-citizen/65607/45 "2018-03-26T08:02:29Z")
Given we’ve aeen some.great footage of SC we can’t say it’s vapour ware. Have yu seen the scope and detail? It doesn’t take 5mins to knock up. They have even said they keep.adding scope because they want to.make it great hence the time it takes. I don’t think it will effect eve too much because eve hasn’t attracted new player’s much anyway it’s just the same people playing for the past 10 years. The ■■■■ angry eve community, scamming etc will keep players away enough anywa ---
**Author:** ![Ima\_Wreckyou](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ima_wreckyou/32/235531_2.png) [@Ima\_Wreckyou](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ima_Wreckyou)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2018, 8:15am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-will-eve-possibly-compete-with-amazing-star-citizen/65607/46 "2018-03-26T08:15:25Z")
> [@silo\_Adtur](#): > > The ■■■■ angry eve community, scamming etc will keep players away enough anywa Yet the only one angry here seems to be you. So hat did you lose to that scam? ---
**Author:** ![Jenn\_aSide](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jenn_aside/32/384682_2.png) [@Jenn\_aSide](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jenn_aSide)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2018, 9:56am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-will-eve-possibly-compete-with-amazing-star-citizen/65607/47 "2018-03-26T09:56:46Z")
The thing that ticks me off as an EVE player about Star Citizen is that it can’t make up it’s mind whether to exist or not. I’m serious. Ever since I started EVE there has been this anxious fringe of forum posters who have speculated about which game would “kill EVE” (usually the same people that always kept saying “EVE is dying” btw). The list of games they just KNEW were going to kill EVE is so long I can’t remember it all, but I know that Star Trek Online, Black Prophecy, Jumpgate, SWTOR, No Man’s Sky and Elite: Dangerous are on it. See, the difference between those games that all failed to kill EVE and Star Citizen is the fact that THEY EXISTED (well, except for Jumpgate). They came, EVE didn’t die, and the “omg CCP, you better implement all these things we want like Walking in Stations” crowd just naively/desperately _moved on to the next “EVE-Killer”_ on the horizon. But Star Citizen is stuck on the damn horizon, and as long as it is, the “you know, SC is going to kill EVE” people will be stuck too. RSI needs to have mercy on people like that and either crap or get off the pot… ---
**Author:** ![CowQueen\_MMXII](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/cowqueen_mmxii/32/446332_2.png) [@CowQueen\_MMXII](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/CowQueen_MMXII)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2018, 10:16am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-will-eve-possibly-compete-with-amazing-star-citizen/65607/48 "2018-03-26T10:16:55Z")
> [@Jenn\_aSide](#): > > The list of games they just KNEW were going to kill EVE is so long I can’t remember it all, but I know that Star Trek Online, Black Prophecy, Jumpgate, SWTOR, No Man’s Sky and Elite: Dangerous are on it. There were several games that had massive impact on the Eve players around me and therefore on my personal Eve experience. Interestingly, Diablo 3 and LoL are probably on the top of the list, despite not having much in commen with Eve - both drawing away many corp mates for weeks if not months. They all came back eventually, which means none of those other game had what Eve has: content for years. ---
**Author:** ![Fluffy\_Moe](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/fluffy_moe/32/11132_2.png) [@Fluffy\_Moe](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Fluffy_Moe)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2018, 11:33am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-will-eve-possibly-compete-with-amazing-star-citizen/65607/49 "2018-03-26T11:33:10Z")
> [@Dirty-Rotten-Pirate](#): > > OK - this thread made me go and check out Star Citizen. One quote stood out: > > “The developers [of Star Citizen] plan to include a slider allowing players to determine their level of exposure to other players.” > > 😲 > > Whats wrong with 100% exposure to other players - with, or preferably without, consent? > > Please don’t let Eve HS and NS carebears see this. Thats very nice, thanks for noticing, I didn’t know about that. Could you post a link to it ? And to answer your question, there is nothing wrong with it as long as appropriate combat mechanics allow counterplay in combat. For example if freighters (or insert whatever ship here without any defenses) had some guns and whatnot on them that would allow them to fight back when attacked. When there is no counterplay then everything is wrong with it, as for the details, look through countless posts already on these, past and other forums, its not as if these things haven never been brought up before. ---
**Author:** ![Dravick\_Afterthought](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dravick_afterthought/32/282017_2.png) [@Dravick\_Afterthought](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dravick_Afterthought)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2018, 12:32pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-will-eve-possibly-compete-with-amazing-star-citizen/65607/50 "2018-03-26T12:32:35Z")
The ‘counterplay’ is to co-operate with others - an escorted convoy perhaps, or a fighting ship ‘riding shotgun’. ---
**Author:** ![Wavemistress\_Moidel](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/wavemistress_moidel/32/211447_2.png) [@Wavemistress\_Moidel](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Wavemistress_Moidel)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2018, 3:32pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-will-eve-possibly-compete-with-amazing-star-citizen/65607/51 "2018-03-26T15:32:18Z")
The fact that you posted it here on the forum means you want us to see it. ---
**Author:** ![Salt\_Foambreaker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salt_foambreaker/32/280119_2.png) [@Salt\_Foambreaker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salt_Foambreaker)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2018, 4:19pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-will-eve-possibly-compete-with-amazing-star-citizen/65607/52 "2018-03-26T16:19:21Z")
> [@Dravick\_Afterthought](#): > > The ‘counterplay’ is to co-operate with others - an escorted convoy perhaps, or a fighting ship ‘riding shotgun’. That is the response to 90% of the weeping on these forums. ---
**Author:** ![ISD\_Buldath](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/isd_buldath/32/381437_2.png) [@ISD\_Buldath](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/ISD_Buldath)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2018, 4:31pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-will-eve-possibly-compete-with-amazing-star-citizen/65607/53 "2018-03-26T16:31:58Z")
Topic moved to OOPE ---
**Author:** ![Rocket\_Hellfire](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/rocket_hellfire/32/396905_2.png) [@Rocket\_Hellfire](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Rocket_Hellfire)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2018, 4:33pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-will-eve-possibly-compete-with-amazing-star-citizen/65607/54 "2018-03-26T16:33:47Z")
> [@Peter\_Raptor](#): > > When Star Citizen goes live in about 2030 … don’t you know how long AAA development takes?? GTA V started production in 1907. sheesh. ---
**Author:** ![Drigo\_Segvian](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/drigo_segvian/32/325541_2.png) [@Drigo\_Segvian](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Drigo_Segvian)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2018, 4:38pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-will-eve-possibly-compete-with-amazing-star-citizen/65607/55 "2018-03-26T16:38:10Z")
Ahahahahahaa. SC. ---
**Author:** ![Nana\_Skalski](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nana_skalski/32/489985_2.png) [@Nana\_Skalski](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nana_Skalski)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2018, 4:42pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-will-eve-possibly-compete-with-amazing-star-citizen/65607/56 "2018-03-26T16:42:50Z")
I dont know why not. If at time you will not feel like PvPing, you could turn PvP off. Other thing is you could turn PvP on at times when there is some interesting action. Take for example a game like GTAOnline where people constantly die around you and you with them. At times you would only want to hang out with firends and for that is the passive mode that you can pretty much turn on or off every second, there is only some slight delay between two modes. 🤷‍♀️ Oh and some activities are strictly PvP so the passive mode is not allowed in them. You just leave the competition and get no rewards if you turn it on. ---
**Author:** ![silo\_Adtur](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/silo_adtur/32/24364_2.png) [@silo\_Adtur](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/silo_Adtur)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2018, 5:24pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-will-eve-possibly-compete-with-amazing-star-citizen/65607/57 "2018-03-26T17:24:02Z")
What are you on about? What a loser… And you have just proven my point. Well done ---
**Author:** ![Ima\_Wreckyou](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ima_wreckyou/32/235531_2.png) [@Ima\_Wreckyou](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ima_Wreckyou)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2018, 5:29pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-will-eve-possibly-compete-with-amazing-star-citizen/65607/58 "2018-03-26T17:29:04Z")
> [@silo\_Adtur](#): > > What are you on about? What a loser… > > And you have just proven my point. Well done So you are the angry EVE community basically? ---
**Author:** ![Jin\_taan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jin_taan/32/381307_2.png) [@Jin\_taan](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jin_taan)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2018, 1:45am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-will-eve-possibly-compete-with-amazing-star-citizen/65607/59 "2018-03-27T01:45:42Z")
> [@silo\_Adtur](#): > > Given we’ve aeen some.great footage of SC We saw some sick footage of Duke Nukem Forever in 2007 too. ---
**Author:** ![Shegunna\_Blow](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/shegunna_blow/32/58909_2.png) [@Shegunna\_Blow](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Shegunna_Blow)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2018, 6:05am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-will-eve-possibly-compete-with-amazing-star-citizen/65607/60 "2018-03-27T06:05:52Z")
SC is like Jesus. Sounds great on paper, but never actually shows up. ---
**Author:** ![Fluffy\_Moe](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/fluffy_moe/32/11132_2.png) [@Fluffy\_Moe](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Fluffy_Moe)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2018, 11:24am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-will-eve-possibly-compete-with-amazing-star-citizen/65607/61 "2018-03-29T11:24:43Z")
> [@DrysonBennington](#): > > Wormhole space is geared towards those who like to explore and not simply jump for system to system. > > Wormhole space actually takes work to live in. It is the unbridled environment where no one owns anything at all. There is a huge difference between exploration and tedium ad nausea. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-will-eve-possibly-compete-with-amazing-star-citizen/65607.md?page=2) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-will-eve-possibly-compete-with-amazing-star-citizen/65607.md?page=4)