# Humanity needs THIS! **URL:** \ **Category:** Out Of Pod Experience\ **Created:** [June 29, 2018, 5:23am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/humanity-needs-this/85839 "2018-06-29T05:23:30Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![Yiole\_Gionglao](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/yiole_gionglao/32/516090_2.png) [@Yiole\_Gionglao](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Yiole_Gionglao)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2018, 10:11pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/humanity-needs-this/85839/81 "2018-06-29T22:11:25Z")
That is nothing new. Every electric motor produces thrust without any propellant by using atraction and repulsion forces between magnetic fields. 🤷‍♀️ The EM Drive is not even a motor. The resonating chamber does nothing. It’s just the live wires gently pushing against Earth’s magnetic field -so no Earth, no thrust. That’s completely useless as a space engine and also is uselessly weak on Earth. ---
**Author:** ![JC\_Mieyli](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jc_mieyli/32/242789_2.png) [@JC\_Mieyli](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/JC_Mieyli)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2018, 10:12pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/humanity-needs-this/85839/82 "2018-06-29T22:12:00Z")
yeah ik i even built one myself back in college shocking i know ---
**Author:** ![QuakeGod](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/quakegod/32/480339_2.png) [@QuakeGod](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/QuakeGod)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2018, 10:12pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/humanity-needs-this/85839/83 "2018-06-29T22:12:52Z")
Well at least you now know that a magnetic field is indeed a propellant. You learn something new every day… ---
**Author:** ![JC\_Mieyli](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jc_mieyli/32/242789_2.png) [@JC\_Mieyli](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/JC_Mieyli)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2018, 10:13pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/humanity-needs-this/85839/84 "2018-06-29T22:13:50Z")
eh youre mistaking ground based movement for aerial based thrust wheels on the ground dont generate the thrust we need ---
**Author:** ![JC\_Mieyli](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jc_mieyli/32/242789_2.png) [@JC\_Mieyli](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/JC_Mieyli)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2018, 10:14pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/humanity-needs-this/85839/85 "2018-06-29T22:14:37Z")
> [@QuakeGod](#): > > Well at least you now know that a magnetic field is indeed a propellant. You learn something new every day… well thanks for teaching me that gl teaching that to anyone else ---
**Author:** ![Yiole\_Gionglao](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/yiole_gionglao/32/516090_2.png) [@Yiole\_Gionglao](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Yiole_Gionglao)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2018, 10:14pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/humanity-needs-this/85839/86 "2018-06-29T22:14:55Z")
Don’t get things mixed. A propellant is a mass that’s subject to impulse. Magnetic fields are not propellants, but they can impulse a propellant (as they do with ion engines). ---
**Author:** ![QuakeGod](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/quakegod/32/480339_2.png) [@QuakeGod](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/QuakeGod)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2018, 10:16pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/humanity-needs-this/85839/87 "2018-06-29T22:16:02Z")
Then once again I ask you, what is the propellant used by a railgun? ---
**Author:** ![JC\_Mieyli](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jc_mieyli/32/242789_2.png) [@JC\_Mieyli](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/JC_Mieyli)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2018, 10:17pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/humanity-needs-this/85839/88 "2018-06-29T22:17:37Z")
railgun doesnt use a propellant it just projects a prjectile without propellent like a bullet from a gun the initial explosion causes it to propel but it doesnt have a rocket booster to allow it to propel itself this argument is about allowing the bullet to have a rocket booster with potentially infinite fuel to keep prepelling itself ---
**Author:** ![QuakeGod](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/quakegod/32/480339_2.png) [@QuakeGod](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/QuakeGod)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2018, 10:18pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/humanity-needs-this/85839/89 "2018-06-29T22:18:43Z")
So a bullet from a gun doesn’t use any propellant, eh? You’re just digging yourself a deeper hole… ---
**Author:** ![JC\_Mieyli](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jc_mieyli/32/242789_2.png) [@JC\_Mieyli](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/JC_Mieyli)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2018, 10:19pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/humanity-needs-this/85839/90 "2018-06-29T22:19:19Z")
no its just a lump of metal a rocket has a propellant ---
**Author:** ![QuakeGod](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/quakegod/32/480339_2.png) [@QuakeGod](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/QuakeGod)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2018, 10:21pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/humanity-needs-this/85839/91 "2018-06-29T22:21:48Z")
Everything that moves has some form of propellant. Your body uses food as fuel for energy to move your ass from one place to another. In the case of your magical energy drive, it’s using the Earth’s magnetic field as propellant… ---
**Author:** ![Yiole\_Gionglao](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/yiole_gionglao/32/516090_2.png) [@Yiole\_Gionglao](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Yiole_Gionglao)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2018, 10:22pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/humanity-needs-this/85839/92 "2018-06-29T22:22:58Z")
🤣 🤣 🤣 Jesuschrist, “thrust” is just Newton’s 3rd in action, and guess what’s goign on when two magntic fields interact? Newton’s 3rd. Now please tell me how the action/reaction inside a motor are any different, physically speaking, from what goes on with a chemical rocket. Something moves in one direction and a opposite force is applied to something in the opposite direction. Yeah, a plume of hot gas is a bit more impressive than a rotor spinning against a stator, but it’s the same physical law. A EM drive without the Earth has nothing to interact to thus it generates no thrust and no movement at all\*. \*in a infinitely small scale, yes it does, but let’s try to keep this simple. We’re taking about nanonewtons of thrust. ---
**Author:** ![JC\_Mieyli](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jc_mieyli/32/242789_2.png) [@JC\_Mieyli](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/JC_Mieyli)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2018, 10:30pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/humanity-needs-this/85839/93 "2018-06-29T22:30:28Z")
> [@Yiole\_Gionglao](#): > > Something moves in one direction and a opposite force is applied to something in the opposite direction now youre getting it many people think the conservation of motion is broken because of the idea of thrust without a propellant but what if for one moment you can still create an opposite reaction without a propellant ---
**Author:** ![Alexi\_Stokov](https://imageserver.eveonline.com/Character/1_512.jpg) [@Alexi\_Stokov](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Alexi_Stokov)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2018, 10:31pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/humanity-needs-this/85839/94 "2018-06-29T22:31:46Z")
> [@JC\_Mieyli](#): > > no its just a lump of metal > a rocket has a propellant What is the gun powder doing then? ---
**Author:** ![JC\_Mieyli](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jc_mieyli/32/242789_2.png) [@JC\_Mieyli](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/JC_Mieyli)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2018, 10:33pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/humanity-needs-this/85839/95 "2018-06-29T22:33:46Z")
its creating an explosive reaction the lump of metal can react to what is isnt doing is providing a source of fuel for that piece of metal to keep flying beyond its range ---
**Author:** ![QuakeGod](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/quakegod/32/480339_2.png) [@QuakeGod](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/QuakeGod)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2018, 10:38pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/humanity-needs-this/85839/96 "2018-06-29T22:38:19Z")
In that case, your magical energy drive is reacting to the Earth’s magnetic field. What it isn’t doing is providing a source of thrust once you are beyond the range of Earth’s magnetic field… ---
**Author:** ![JC\_Mieyli](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jc_mieyli/32/242789_2.png) [@JC\_Mieyli](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/JC_Mieyli)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2018, 10:39pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/humanity-needs-this/85839/97 "2018-06-29T22:39:17Z")
sure but what it is doing is generating thrust without propellant ---
**Author:** ![Yiole\_Gionglao](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/yiole_gionglao/32/516090_2.png) [@Yiole\_Gionglao](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Yiole_Gionglao)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2018, 10:39pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/humanity-needs-this/85839/98 "2018-06-29T22:39:24Z")
That’s not happening. The EM Drive was causing a unnacounted reaction against Earth’s magnetic field. Once it’s been accounted for, the EM Drive doesn’t works at all. ---
**Author:** ![JC\_Mieyli](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jc_mieyli/32/242789_2.png) [@JC\_Mieyli](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/JC_Mieyli)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2018, 10:40pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/humanity-needs-this/85839/99 "2018-06-29T22:40:46Z")
> [@Yiole\_Gionglao](#): > > That’s not happening. The EM Drive was causing a unnacounted reaction against Earth’s magnetic field. Once it’s been accounted for, the EM Drive doesn’t works at all. well thats yet to be proven and i will follow the research closely ---
**Author:** ![QuakeGod](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/quakegod/32/480339_2.png) [@QuakeGod](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/QuakeGod)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2018, 10:41pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/humanity-needs-this/85839/100 "2018-06-29T22:41:09Z")
It’s like talking to a brick wall. I tell you what, I will personally build you a ship equipped with this magical drive of yours and all I require of you is to let me know how far you get. I expect the same results as the guy that launched himself in a rocket to try to prove the Earth is flat… [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/humanity-needs-this/85839.md?page=4) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/humanity-needs-this/85839.md?page=6)