# HyperNet Relay is a bad game and i think i know how to fix it **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [January 3, 2020, 11:32pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/hypernet-relay-is-a-bad-game-and-i-think-i-know-how-to-fix-it/209796 "2020-01-03T23:32:11Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Scoots\_Choco](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/scoots_choco/32/262262_2.png) [@Scoots\_Choco](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Scoots_Choco)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2020, 3:47pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/hypernet-relay-is-a-bad-game-and-i-think-i-know-how-to-fix-it/209796/25 "2020-01-04T15:47:07Z")
> [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > in order to squeeze more money out of their current playerbase, Which is why they allow players to hide the Hypernet from their accounts entirely, right At no point do any players buy the raffles with real money. Only the person setting up the raffle must use a microtransaction by purchasing the Hypercores. The player playing the raffles do not. They can only play with isk. ---
**Author:** ![Scoots\_Choco](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/scoots_choco/32/262262_2.png) [@Scoots\_Choco](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Scoots_Choco)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2020, 3:59pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/hypernet-relay-is-a-bad-game-and-i-think-i-know-how-to-fix-it/209796/27 "2020-01-04T15:59:28Z")
> [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > This is actually just evidence that htey know it’s morally questionable at best CCP offers a way for players who don’t want to participate to avoid participating. Players blame that option as “evidence”. Talk about damned if you do, damned if you don’t. > [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > CCP want PLEX to be used Well yes, they are a business. That is kinda how they make money. > [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > On top of that, problem gamblers are then more likely to blow all of their ISK and either pay sub costs rather than using PLEX or buying PLEX to fuel their gambling. And these players have the option to ask CCP to remove their accounts’ ability to access the Hypernet of it gets out of hand. ---
**Author:** ![Scoots\_Choco](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/scoots_choco/32/262262_2.png) [@Scoots\_Choco](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Scoots_Choco)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2020, 4:19pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/hypernet-relay-is-a-bad-game-and-i-think-i-know-how-to-fix-it/209796/29 "2020-01-04T16:19:18Z")
> [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > Why is their not a way to opt out of PvP? Or from the player market? Or from mission running? Or from mining? “why is there no way to opt out of playing a video game when playing the video game” asks the moron. Are you serious? Are you actually asking those questions right now? Yeah, I’m done with you. It’s no wonder CCP devs never actually pay attention to the official forums and spend their time on r/eve when you have idiots like this. ---
**Author:** ![Nicolai\_Serkanner](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nicolai_serkanner/32/358049_2.png) [@Nicolai\_Serkanner](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nicolai_Serkanner)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2020, 4:50pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/hypernet-relay-is-a-bad-game-and-i-think-i-know-how-to-fix-it/209796/31 "2020-01-04T16:50:49Z")
> [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > this is mortally questionable - insert snarky one-liner\* ---
**Author:** ![Anderson\_Geten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anderson_geten/32/390041_2.png) [@Anderson\_Geten](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anderson_Geten)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2020, 5:23pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/hypernet-relay-is-a-bad-game-and-i-think-i-know-how-to-fix-it/209796/32 "2020-01-04T17:23:28Z")
> [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > The hypernet was designed to exploit certain types of players Not sure about that. I mean, there are clients for this activity. Not going in it is a way to let other 3rd party gain money on CCP work. And I am talking about RMT money. ---
**Author:** ![Anderson\_Geten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anderson_geten/32/390041_2.png) [@Anderson\_Geten](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anderson_Geten)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2020, 5:40pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/hypernet-relay-is-a-bad-game-and-i-think-i-know-how-to-fix-it/209796/34 "2020-01-04T17:40:19Z")
> [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > CCP have already banned all third party gambling that uses ISK. Officially they banned RMT organizations and prevented gambling as it leads to RMT. Therefore the only way to make gambling without RMT is to make it completely managed by CCP. Remember that gambling sites that are not under CCP monitoring can rig the result in order to give people RMT items under the false term of gamble. When you claim CCP did that for the sole reason of abusing players, you are delusional. ---
**Author:** ![Anderson\_Geten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anderson_geten/32/390041_2.png) [@Anderson\_Geten](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anderson_Geten)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2020, 5:45pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/hypernet-relay-is-a-bad-game-and-i-think-i-know-how-to-fix-it/209796/36 "2020-01-04T17:45:08Z")
> [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > And they clearly did. Then you are delusional. ---
**Author:** ![Anderson\_Geten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anderson_geten/32/390041_2.png) [@Anderson\_Geten](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anderson_Geten)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2020, 5:50pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/hypernet-relay-is-a-bad-game-and-i-think-i-know-how-to-fix-it/209796/38 "2020-01-04T17:50:25Z")
> [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > I disagree with your opinion therefore I am delusional. Gotcha. No you don’t. > [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > reasonable discussion. You mean, when you take the time to answer what I already said before instead of just skipping it like I had not said it ? Cause ATM you are the one doing it. I told you CCP had other reasons to implement hypernet, and you keep claiming “it’s the sole reason”. When you just ignore the arguments that don’t go along your opinion, you are delusional. CCP had other good reasons to implement the hypernet but “abuse players”. ---
**Author:** ![Anderson\_Geten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anderson_geten/32/390041_2.png) [@Anderson\_Geten](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anderson_Geten)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2020, 6:08pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/hypernet-relay-is-a-bad-game-and-i-think-i-know-how-to-fix-it/209796/40 "2020-01-04T18:08:28Z")
> [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > you just stated one of the reasons that gmabling was previously banned, which is irrelevant in a discussion about why they implemented a gambling system now. Then you just missed my point. Yes knowing why something was banned is relevant to why it was implemented the way it is. Typically to acknowledge what the implementation had to avoid -.- . Also I answered this because you were the one claiming CCP banned gambling sites because they were gambling. CCP officially banned them for RMT. > [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > Hypernet can also be used for RMT Lol. The game can be used for RMT. so What ? Gambling as it was done before was an obvious source of RMT. > [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > RMT wasn’t the primary reason for the removal of gambling site anyway Officially it was. > [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > The only reason to ADD gambling to the game is to get people to use the system No, I told you there was a market, and when CCP did not fill that market, other 3rd party did it. With RMT added. Just because they banned people, do you think that means there was no more gambling in the game ? When you forbid something and there is a market, all it does is make this in black market, so even more money you can’t regulate. > [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > and the only reason to make it so you need to buy stuff from the store to use it is so that CCP takes a real cash cut of every raffle. That’s a different thing. I agree that CCP could have done it freely. But still it’s not an argument about why they implemented hypernet. ---
**Author:** ![tutucox\_Khamsi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tutucox_khamsi/32/430743_2.png) [@tutucox\_Khamsi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/tutucox_Khamsi)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2020, 6:10pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/hypernet-relay-is-a-bad-game-and-i-think-i-know-how-to-fix-it/209796/41 "2020-01-04T18:10:48Z")
hey , i just want to make our odds better , even a no player interaction , put the item the game does the rest , that pay 95% cash back , 5% takers fee like in the original post would do it edit: put the item , number of tickets , game puts jita price , make it live wen someone win , he have to pay 5% tax ( isk sink ) to take the item kinda like the market , but for gamblers more fair ---
**Author:** ![Scoots\_Choco](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/scoots_choco/32/262262_2.png) [@Scoots\_Choco](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Scoots_Choco)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2020, 6:14pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/hypernet-relay-is-a-bad-game-and-i-think-i-know-how-to-fix-it/209796/42 "2020-01-04T18:14:28Z")
> [@tutucox\_Khamsi](#): > > kinda like the market , but for gamblers > more fair Just use the market then. ---
**Author:** ![tutucox\_Khamsi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tutucox_khamsi/32/430743_2.png) [@tutucox\_Khamsi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/tutucox_Khamsi)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2020, 6:14pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/hypernet-relay-is-a-bad-game-and-i-think-i-know-how-to-fix-it/209796/43 "2020-01-04T18:14:45Z")
@Scoots_Choco yeah but i like to gamble ---
**Author:** ![Scoots\_Choco](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/scoots_choco/32/262262_2.png) [@Scoots\_Choco](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Scoots_Choco)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2020, 6:15pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/hypernet-relay-is-a-bad-game-and-i-think-i-know-how-to-fix-it/209796/44 "2020-01-04T18:15:08Z")
Then use the Hypernet and stop complaining about the prices ---
**Author:** ![tutucox\_Khamsi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tutucox_khamsi/32/430743_2.png) [@tutucox\_Khamsi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/tutucox_Khamsi)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2020, 6:16pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/hypernet-relay-is-a-bad-game-and-i-think-i-know-how-to-fix-it/209796/45 "2020-01-04T18:16:19Z")
@Scoots_Choco i beg your pardon but i can do both ---
**Author:** ![tutucox\_Khamsi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tutucox_khamsi/32/430743_2.png) [@tutucox\_Khamsi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/tutucox_Khamsi)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2020, 6:33pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/hypernet-relay-is-a-bad-game-and-i-think-i-know-how-to-fix-it/209796/48 "2020-01-04T18:33:30Z")
if you play 6 times with 1/6 chance and 1/6 the price in the long rum is the same thing as playing one time at 6/6 chance and full price the problem is to play 4 times at 1/6 chance and pay full price for that so reducing the taxes over the loto to a max o 5% make the game fun and kinda fair you will loose everything at the end like playing bank all the time on baccarat in a cassino(very fair game) , but will be fun and you’re paying for a fair chance to be lucky , its not that hard edit: being fun and fair people will do it a lot , and that 5% tax will sink aaaa lot of ISK edit2: 5% takers fee paid by the winner ---
**Author:** ![Nana\_Skalski](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nana_skalski/32/489985_2.png) [@Nana\_Skalski](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nana_Skalski)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2020, 6:51pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/hypernet-relay-is-a-bad-game-and-i-think-i-know-how-to-fix-it/209796/49 "2020-01-04T18:51:44Z")
tutucox Khamsi, you liked it when it was completely player driven, not CCP. I also think it was better than CCP doing it. The solution is for CCP to remove it from game and allow players to do it again. Simple! 🕶 ---
**Author:** ![tutucox\_Khamsi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tutucox_khamsi/32/430743_2.png) [@tutucox\_Khamsi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/tutucox_Khamsi)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2020, 6:52pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/hypernet-relay-is-a-bad-game-and-i-think-i-know-how-to-fix-it/209796/50 "2020-01-04T18:52:26Z")
@Nana_Skalski i like that to 😛 ---
**Author:** ![Anderson\_Geten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anderson_geten/32/390041_2.png) [@Anderson\_Geten](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anderson_Geten)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2020, 7:01pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/hypernet-relay-is-a-bad-game-and-i-think-i-know-how-to-fix-it/209796/51 "2020-01-04T19:01:30Z")
> [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > The solution to the old problem was the ban. Adding their own gambling system hasn;t fixed the old problem more than it was fixed before. No it was not a solution. The problem was still here : people want to gamble, and without an official mechanism for that it is open to RMT. > [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > But so is hypernet. NO. Because the generation of the winning ticket is made by CCP you can be sure the game is not rigged in favor of one specific RMT client. > [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > No, officially that was the reason for them banning certain accounts. And the reason to forbid gambling in the EULA at the same time. > [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > And they are making it use items bought from PLEX because? irrelevant. They are anwsering a demand, that’s a good enough reason to add hypernet. I told you already, stop asking a question I just answered you. > [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > Very few people still engaged in it source ? > [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > It is though. It is not. Your claim was that CCP had no other reason, your claim about the way they did it is irrelevant. > [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > The entire world knows that Irrelevant. I don’t even read it, it’s just useless whining. ---
**Author:** ![tutucox\_Khamsi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tutucox_khamsi/32/430743_2.png) [@tutucox\_Khamsi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/tutucox_Khamsi)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2020, 7:09pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/hypernet-relay-is-a-bad-game-and-i-think-i-know-how-to-fix-it/209796/53 "2020-01-04T19:09:00Z")
“Gambling the full cost in value before winning the item is not the same as paying full price for it off the market where you have a guarantee to obtain the item for the cost. Once you have lost more than the item is worth you already failed to gamble for it at any benefit to yourself.” ok but if you play heads and tails with god for eternity , one dollar a pop , you will not go bankrupt “You can’t limit the prices of the nodes or the amount of nodes other players will buy so it is never going to be a completely fair game, you choose your odds of winning by increasing the amount of loss you risk. Better odds of winning doesn’t mean less risk or loss, you always have a chance to lose you can only control how much you risk losing and the more you lose the less you have to gain by actually winning in the end.” thats variance not what im talking about edit: volatility sry, more or less variance is the result of more or less volatility ,this is player preference , but thats not what i was talking about , im talking about the %return rate on your isk ---
**Author:** ![Aiden\_en\_Divalone](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiden_en_divalone/32/168600_2.png) [@Aiden\_en\_Divalone](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiden_en_Divalone)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2020, 7:12pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/hypernet-relay-is-a-bad-game-and-i-think-i-know-how-to-fix-it/209796/54 "2020-01-04T19:12:44Z")
CCP won’t give a sxxt about “fixing” HyperNet. Why? Because they want it for a cash grab, nothing else. And from my point of view, this thing plays its role just as CCP wanted. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/hypernet-relay-is-a-bad-game-and-i-think-i-know-how-to-fix-it/209796.md?page=1) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/hypernet-relay-is-a-bad-game-and-i-think-i-know-how-to-fix-it/209796.md?page=3)