# HyperNet Relay is a bad game and i think i know how to fix it **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [January 3, 2020, 11:32pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/hypernet-relay-is-a-bad-game-and-i-think-i-know-how-to-fix-it/209796 "2020-01-03T23:32:11Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Anderson\_Geten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anderson_geten/32/390041_2.png) [@Anderson\_Geten](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anderson_Geten)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2020, 7:28pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/hypernet-relay-is-a-bad-game-and-i-think-i-know-how-to-fix-it/209796/56 "2020-01-04T19:28:04Z")
> [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > That’s not a problem though. You are claiming that people gambling in eve and giving money to RMT is not a problem. That’s enough to prove that you are delusional. No need to read more. ---
**Author:** ![Anderson\_Geten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anderson_geten/32/390041_2.png) [@Anderson\_Geten](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anderson_Geten)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2020, 7:36pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/hypernet-relay-is-a-bad-game-and-i-think-i-know-how-to-fix-it/209796/58 "2020-01-04T19:36:27Z")
> [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > I’ve not at all claimed that though, so it seems like the problem is with your comprehension. Yes you did in the previous post. You claimed that what I said did not disappear, that is that unmonitored gambling backing RMT, is “not a problem though”. So yes the problem is with your comprehension. Read again my posts, that’s the whole point of my posts : I tell you is another reason to implement hypernet, besides “making money”, and that is to prevent people who want to gamble, to go to sites that use this for RMT. ---
**Author:** ![Anderson\_Geten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anderson_geten/32/390041_2.png) [@Anderson\_Geten](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anderson_Geten)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2020, 7:47pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/hypernet-relay-is-a-bad-game-and-i-think-i-know-how-to-fix-it/209796/60 "2020-01-04T19:47:10Z")
> [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > People wanting to do something in EVE that is not available in EVE is not a “problem”. Indeed, the problem is when those person need to use 3rd party site and thus fund RMT. If “people want to gamble” was a problem I would not claim that CCP implemented hypernet to fix -.- Seriously, learn to read. Read the end of the sentence, I did not claim that people wanting to gamble was a problem. You cut my sentence for the sole reason to remove what I actually meant. It’s a completely dishonest out-of-context quote. > [@Anderson\_Geten](#): > > The problem was still here : people want to gamble, and without an official mechanism for that it is open to RMT. I claimed that the lack of an official mechanism for gambling was something that could lead people towards 3rd party, and therefore towards RMT. > [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > Except people aren’t RMT gambling now. Were exactly did I affirm that people are gambling on RMT sites right now ? There was gambling on sites that used RMT before those were banned, so now you can’t even know if there still are because if there are, they hide. Those who don’t learn from history are doomed to repeat its mistakes > **[Prohibition in the United States](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prohibition_in_the_United_States)** > > The Prohibition era was a period in the United States from 1920 to 1933 during which a nationwide constitutional law prohibiting the production, importation, transportation, and sale of alcoholic beverages was enacted. The alcohol industry was curtailed by a succession of state legislatures, and finally ended nationwide under the Eighteenth Amendment to the United States Constitution, ratified on January 16, 1919. Prohibition ended with the ratification of the Twenty-first Amendment, which rep... ---
**Author:** ![Anderson\_Geten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anderson_geten/32/390041_2.png) [@Anderson\_Geten](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anderson_Geten)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2020, 8:15pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/hypernet-relay-is-a-bad-game-and-i-think-i-know-how-to-fix-it/209796/62 "2020-01-04T20:15:56Z")
> [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > If somoene uses a third party site they should be immediately permabanned, simple as that. The fact that they want to gamble is not a problem CCP needs to solve. Thank you for stating the obvious. You should have added that water is wet, you would have missed the point even more ! > [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > You did though. I’ll highlight it. You said there was a problem, that “people want to gamble, **AND** without an official mechanism for that it is open to RMT”. No. I said “the problem is still here”, referring to the problem we were talking before and you said was gone when CCP banned RMT. Basically, your comprehension is the problem now … > [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > The solution is that you instantly ban anyone who engages with third party gambling sites and move on. Lol. You are delusional again. > [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > You’re saying that without CCP havign their own gambling site people are using third party sites, which they aren’t. No I don’t. I said that people HAVE TO use 3rd party sites if they want to gamble. Learn the difference. > [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > It’s pretty simple. If noone is using third party sites now then it’s not a reason for adding hypernet. Nope. Learn logic. You can’t prove that none is using 3rd party sites now. > [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > Like I said, when CCP banned gambling sites they fixed the problem, and again, you were wrong. > [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > Gambling was used to launder ISK because it was legal. Now that it’s illegal it’s useless to launder it. And so you think that people who want to gamble will stop because it does not launder anymore ? You think that people going on 3rd party sites are not better target for RMT ? > [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > Look, I think it’s pretty clear you have no idea what you are talking about, so why don’t you just stop digging? Look, I think it’s pretty clear you are not able to read properly what I wrote, why don’t you jut stop being an smartass and take basic lesson on reading ? ---
**Author:** ![Anderson\_Geten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anderson_geten/32/390041_2.png) [@Anderson\_Geten](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anderson_Geten)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2020, 8:34pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/hypernet-relay-is-a-bad-game-and-i-think-i-know-how-to-fix-it/209796/64 "2020-01-04T20:34:44Z")
> [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > On the day before CCP implemented hypernet gambling sites and RMT were not a problem, Here, you are delusional again. See I already told you : > [@Anderson\_Geten](#): > > You are claiming that people gambling in eve and giving money to RMT is not a problem. > That’s enough to prove that you are delusional. > No need to read more. So no I don’t change my position. You keep denying what you just affirmed. > [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > At the end of the day you’re going to say whatever you possibly can to defend it because you clearly support gambling in EVE, Affirming that I do something, especially without a proof of that, is an ad hominem and therefore a proof that you know you are wrong. > **[Ad hominem](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem)** > > Ad hominem (Latin for 'to the person'), short for argumentum ad hominem, refers to several types of arguments, most of which are fallacious. Typically this term refers to a rhetorical strategy where the speaker attacks the character, motive, or some other attribute of the person making an argument rather than attacking the substance of the argument itself. This avoids genuine debate by creating a personal attack as a diversion often using a totally irrelevant, but often highly charged attribut... Thank you for claiming you have no idea what you are talking about, case closed. At the end of the day you are just not able to understand a single word of what I wrote, and don’t even care about talking BS. All you want is, to look like you are right, even when you are wrong. Even when you claim something as obviously wrong as " gambling players going on RMT sites are no issue for CCP." ---
**Author:** ![Anderson\_Geten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anderson_geten/32/390041_2.png) [@Anderson\_Geten](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anderson_Geten)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2020, 8:42pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/hypernet-relay-is-a-bad-game-and-i-think-i-know-how-to-fix-it/209796/66 "2020-01-04T20:42:31Z")
> [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > My claim was that people wanting gambling was not a problem, which it isn’t. And you claiming that was in answer to me was a strawman. > [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > I am right. CCP implemented hypernet to squeeze money from the existing playerbase. It’s as simple as that. That’s not what you wrote. You wrote, it’s the sole reason for hypernet. > [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > Not really sure how many times you’re going to lob that insult at me, but all it shows is that you have no valid points. It’s not an insult, it’s factual. you claim that something wrong, is right. ---
**Author:** ![Nana\_Skalski](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nana_skalski/32/489985_2.png) [@Nana\_Skalski](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nana_Skalski)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2020, 9:02pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/hypernet-relay-is-a-bad-game-and-i-think-i-know-how-to-fix-it/209796/68 "2020-01-04T21:02:32Z")
Fact is they are exploiting vulnerable players, that is important. Not if that was solely or not solely the reason to add it. In the poll I made, there was nearly 500 votes from forum users [💁‍♀️ 𝐇𝐲𝐩𝐞𝐫𝐍𝐞𝐭 (𝐏𝐨𝐥𝐥), 𝐩𝐥𝐞𝐚𝐬𝐞 𝐯𝐨𝐭𝐞](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/topic/203296). CCP never asked players in a poll about Hypernet. Where are their priorities if they do that what they did? ---
**Author:** ![z0ra\_Berg](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/z0ra_berg/32/187042_2.png) [@z0ra\_Berg](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/z0ra_Berg)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2020, 9:30pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/hypernet-relay-is-a-bad-game-and-i-think-i-know-how-to-fix-it/209796/69 "2020-01-04T21:30:52Z")
> [@tutucox\_Khamsi](#): > > i beg your pardon but i can do both Ha! 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Anderson\_Geten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anderson_geten/32/390041_2.png) [@Anderson\_Geten](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anderson_Geten)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2020, 10:11pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/hypernet-relay-is-a-bad-game-and-i-think-i-know-how-to-fix-it/209796/70 "2020-01-04T22:11:30Z")
> [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > You disagreeing with me doesn’t make me delusional. But you claiming things that are opposed to reality, does make you delusional. eg : > [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > On the day before CCP implemented hypernet gambling sites and RMT were not a problem, therefore ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2020, 10:31pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/hypernet-relay-is-a-bad-game-and-i-think-i-know-how-to-fix-it/209796/71 "2020-01-04T22:31:33Z")
A broken clock is more accurate than Lucas. ---
**Author:** ![Anderson\_Geten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anderson_geten/32/390041_2.png) [@Anderson\_Geten](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anderson_Geten)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2020, 11:14pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/hypernet-relay-is-a-bad-game-and-i-think-i-know-how-to-fix-it/209796/73 "2020-01-04T23:14:31Z")
> [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > OK so show me the EVE related gambling sites engaging in RMT that were operating the day before hypernet was released. I reckon that yet again you’ll refuse to provide evidence and shift your position. THAT is a strawman. ---
**Author:** ![zazzmatazz\_Xu](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zazzmatazz_xu/32/451037_2.png) [@zazzmatazz\_Xu](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/zazzmatazz_Xu)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2020, 2:15am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/hypernet-relay-is-a-bad-game-and-i-think-i-know-how-to-fix-it/209796/74 "2020-01-05T02:15:47Z")
> [@Aiko\_Danuja](#): > > dinner for two at the local steakhouse Or trade isk for a code for a dinner at that steakhouse…oh, but then there’s that EULA thing. ---
**Author:** ![Anderson\_Geten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anderson_geten/32/390041_2.png) [@Anderson\_Geten](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anderson_Geten)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2020, 10:58am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/hypernet-relay-is-a-bad-game-and-i-think-i-know-how-to-fix-it/209796/76 "2020-01-05T10:58:30Z")
Learn what a strawman is. ---
**Author:** ![safira\_jomita](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/safira_jomita/32/405219_2.png) [@safira\_jomita](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/safira_jomita)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2020, 1:32pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/hypernet-relay-is-a-bad-game-and-i-think-i-know-how-to-fix-it/209796/78 "2020-01-05T13:32:56Z")
Deu uma bicuda no vespeiro eim 😆 ---
**Author:** ![Anderson\_Geten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anderson_geten/32/390041_2.png) [@Anderson\_Geten](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anderson_Geten)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2020, 1:44pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/hypernet-relay-is-a-bad-game-and-i-think-i-know-how-to-fix-it/209796/79 "2020-01-05T13:44:51Z")
> [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > I know what a straman is, and asking for proof of your claims is not a strawman. learn what is a strawman. ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2020, 4:42pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/hypernet-relay-is-a-bad-game-and-i-think-i-know-how-to-fix-it/209796/80 "2020-01-05T16:42:23Z")
learn a strawman what is ---
**Author:** ![Nana\_Skalski](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nana_skalski/32/489985_2.png) [@Nana\_Skalski](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nana_Skalski)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2020, 5:15pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/hypernet-relay-is-a-bad-game-and-i-think-i-know-how-to-fix-it/209796/81 "2020-01-05T17:15:35Z")
strawman what is a learn ---
**Author:** ![tutucox\_Khamsi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tutucox_khamsi/32/430743_2.png) [@tutucox\_Khamsi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/tutucox_Khamsi)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2020, 6:12pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/hypernet-relay-is-a-bad-game-and-i-think-i-know-how-to-fix-it/209796/82 "2020-01-05T18:12:36Z")
there’s a strawman waiting in the sky ---
**Author:** ![Nicolai\_Serkanner](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nicolai_serkanner/32/358049_2.png) [@Nicolai\_Serkanner](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nicolai_Serkanner)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2020, 6:20pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/hypernet-relay-is-a-bad-game-and-i-think-i-know-how-to-fix-it/209796/83 "2020-01-05T18:20:30Z")
Strawman in the sky with diamonds ---
**Author:** ![Nana\_Skalski](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nana_skalski/32/489985_2.png) [@Nana\_Skalski](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nana_Skalski)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2020, 7:08pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/hypernet-relay-is-a-bad-game-and-i-think-i-know-how-to-fix-it/209796/84 "2020-01-05T19:08:40Z")
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