# I am an innocent person harmed by ZKillboard **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [September 29, 2018, 11:00am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/i-am-an-innocent-person-harmed-by-zkillboard/109981 "2018-09-29T11:00:13Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Gerard\_Amatin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gerard_amatin/32/481361_2.png) [@Gerard\_Amatin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gerard_Amatin)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2018, 11:35am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/i-am-an-innocent-person-harmed-by-zkillboard/109981/21 "2018-09-29T11:35:13Z")
TL;DR: ZKillboard’s ‘potential killboard padding cheater’ algorithm retroactively flags currently invisible insurance fraud kills as killboard padding when joining corporations, falsely accusing this innocent person of cheating if he ever joins a corporation. Or even shorter, ZKillboard bad. ---
**Author:** ![Thomas\_Tur\_Bando](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/thomas_tur_bando/32/98767_2.png) [@Thomas\_Tur\_Bando](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Thomas_Tur_Bando)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2018, 11:38am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/i-am-an-innocent-person-harmed-by-zkillboard/109981/22 "2018-09-29T11:38:17Z")
> [@Noragen\_Neirfallas](#): > > ahh. You still can? I think you will find most people in any decent corp won’t care lol. My personal expierence has been the opposite. Once I had a shitty killboard with a ton of red. I was under immense pressure to fix that. Back then when I joined a corp they asked me to explain why I have so many repeated losses in ratting ships. I said because the ratting ships are so cheap I don’t care about losing them. It’s more profitable for me to rat afk because I can get more hours in ratting afk since I can do other things while I afk. They told me that’s unacceptable. I tried to argue I see dying to PVP as part of PVE, because I purely see it in terms of isk. They said they don’t care about my isk, and I’m selfish to think about my isk when it stinks up alliance killboard. Since then I was forced to fix my killboard, and I’m not happy that I had to change my EVE gameplay style because of some 3rd party site. Anyway the insurance fraud happened on my 2nd main acc, which I figured had a clean record for PVP so I could make the best out of the killboard. And then this cheater label thing happened… ---
**Author:** ![isk4trade](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/isk4trade/32/81422_2.png) [@isk4trade](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/isk4trade)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2018, 11:43am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/i-am-an-innocent-person-harmed-by-zkillboard/109981/23 "2018-09-29T11:43:05Z")
I honestly did not think you could make a profit out of trashing your alts ships for the insurance still … ---
**Author:** ![Thomas\_Tur\_Bando](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/thomas_tur_bando/32/98767_2.png) [@Thomas\_Tur\_Bando](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Thomas_Tur_Bando)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2018, 11:46am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/i-am-an-innocent-person-harmed-by-zkillboard/109981/24 "2018-09-29T11:46:23Z")
Yeah it’s possible… Also people do it for other reasons, like you know with the amount of gankers and wardecs around sometimes low/null miners will turn their ores into ships and blow them up for instant ISK with insurance fraud. ---
**Author:** ![Flying11](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/flying11/32/99215_2.png) [@Flying11](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Flying11)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2018, 11:50am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/i-am-an-innocent-person-harmed-by-zkillboard/109981/25 "2018-09-29T11:50:55Z")
> [@Gerard\_Amatin](#): > > Lastly, ZKillboard only shows ‘potential’ killboard padding as far as I can see. You don’t get a label ‘cheater’, you get a label ‘possibly a cheater’, which leaves it up to the people and corporations to determine whether you are a cheater. If they then kick you out of the corporation because you’re ‘possibly a cheater’ according to some algorithm, they’re plain stupid. The least they could do is ask you why you’re flagged as possible cheater by the system, in which case you can tell them about the insurance fraud. I like the example he gave in the post about accusing someone of rape. I think it applies to what you said. As in, nobody should live with a label of “possible rapist”. Either they prove you’re a rapist or they drop the case. But no label should proceed without either sufficient evidence or the person having a chance to defend themself. You also can’t blame companies for not hiring the “potential rapist”. Wrong as it may be, that’s just how they do things. It’s the same in Eve. ---
**Author:** ![Nicolai\_Serkanner](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nicolai_serkanner/32/358049_2.png) [@Nicolai\_Serkanner](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nicolai_Serkanner)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2018, 11:55am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/i-am-an-innocent-person-harmed-by-zkillboard/109981/26 "2018-09-29T11:55:58Z")
> [@Thomas\_Tur\_Bando](#): > > I can’t join any nullsec or PVP corp if I have a bad killboard, which I actually don’t right now Bollocks. You can join plenty corps in Null. Your other diatribe of a topic makes a lot more sense now. ---
**Author:** ![Gerard\_Amatin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gerard_amatin/32/481361_2.png) [@Gerard\_Amatin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gerard_Amatin)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2018, 11:57am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/i-am-an-innocent-person-harmed-by-zkillboard/109981/27 "2018-09-29T11:57:35Z")
I agree, I too think that the way ZKillboard applies the label is wrong. Either ZKillboard actually proves you’re a killboard padder or they remove the label. ZKillboard is a great neutral site that shows good objective information. Adding labels is not part of that. ---
**Author:** ![Flying11](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/flying11/32/99215_2.png) [@Flying11](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Flying11)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2018, 11:59am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/i-am-an-innocent-person-harmed-by-zkillboard/109981/28 "2018-09-29T11:59:28Z")
Yeah I’ve always seen them as a neutral site. didn’t expect them to all of a sudden take this route either. ---
**Author:** ![z0rella\_Zazzmataz](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/z0rella_zazzmataz/32/96427_2.png) [@z0rella\_Zazzmataz](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/z0rella_Zazzmataz)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2018, 12:13pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/i-am-an-innocent-person-harmed-by-zkillboard/109981/29 "2018-09-29T12:13:20Z")
what harm? are you being physically attacked? does your life depend on it? no? no! Not at all! ya know what that means? it means yer life’s priorities are ■■■■■■ up. it means that you should go out more! get some sun, it really helps! sell yer computer! have a life! then come back, read yer ■■■■ again and feel embarrassed about it! ---
**Author:** ![Linus\_Gorp](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/linus_gorp/32/317333_2.png) [@Linus\_Gorp](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Linus_Gorp)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2018, 12:14pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/i-am-an-innocent-person-harmed-by-zkillboard/109981/30 "2018-09-29T12:14:56Z")
> [@Thomas\_Tur\_Bando](#): > > Before we start, I’d like to first bring to your attention a law IRL that concerns this topic You lost me after that sentence. You sound like a entitled whiner. Go back to World of Warcraft, whiner. ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2018, 12:15pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/i-am-an-innocent-person-harmed-by-zkillboard/109981/31 "2018-09-29T12:15:46Z")
I thought an actual notice board with his kills on it fell on him the way he was getting on. ---
**Author:** ![darkestkhan\_Eriker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/darkestkhan_eriker/32/390091_2.png) [@darkestkhan\_Eriker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/darkestkhan_Eriker)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2018, 12:16pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/i-am-an-innocent-person-harmed-by-zkillboard/109981/32 "2018-09-29T12:16:08Z")
> [@Thomas\_Tur\_Bando](#): > > I tried to argue I see dying to PVP as part of PVE, because I purely see it in terms of isk. They said they don’t care about my isk, and I’m selfish to think about my isk when it stinks up alliance killboard. It is selfish because it marks alliance as easy targets and markets the area as hunting ground … thus increasing the number of hunters and increasing risks for everyone involved. ---
**Author:** ![Entrinsik](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/entrinsik/32/98959_2.png) [@Entrinsik](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Entrinsik)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2018, 12:22pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/i-am-an-innocent-person-harmed-by-zkillboard/109981/33 "2018-09-29T12:22:09Z")
![a9c](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/f/b/fb112a817994c3127827122f82fe8f9f16a84718.png) ---
**Author:** ![Thomas\_Tur\_Bando](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/thomas_tur_bando/32/98767_2.png) [@Thomas\_Tur\_Bando](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Thomas_Tur_Bando)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2018, 12:22pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/i-am-an-innocent-person-harmed-by-zkillboard/109981/34 "2018-09-29T12:22:43Z")
scroll up a bit you’ll see 2 TLDRs ---
**Author:** ![Thomas\_Tur\_Bando](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/thomas_tur_bando/32/98767_2.png) [@Thomas\_Tur\_Bando](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Thomas_Tur_Bando)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2018, 12:25pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/i-am-an-innocent-person-harmed-by-zkillboard/109981/35 "2018-09-29T12:25:42Z")
> [@darkestkhan\_Eriker](#): > > It is selfish because it marks alliance as easy targets and markets the area as hunting ground … thus increasing the number of hunters and increasing risks for everyone involved. I was trying to tell people why some people care about the killboard. Because a common argument to leave Zkill alone is “just don’t care about what a 3rd party site says about you” also thank you for being here and commenting. Now people see that people caring about the killboard is a real thing. ---
**Author:** ![Thomas\_Tur\_Bando](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/thomas_tur_bando/32/98767_2.png) [@Thomas\_Tur\_Bando](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Thomas_Tur_Bando)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2018, 12:30pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/i-am-an-innocent-person-harmed-by-zkillboard/109981/36 "2018-09-29T12:30:01Z")
> [@Ramona\_McCandless](#): > > I thought an actual notice board with his kills on it fell on him the way he was getting on. I actually laughed at this irl ---
**Author:** ![Gerard\_Amatin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gerard_amatin/32/481361_2.png) [@Gerard\_Amatin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gerard_Amatin)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2018, 12:31pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/i-am-an-innocent-person-harmed-by-zkillboard/109981/37 "2018-09-29T12:31:06Z")
> [@z0rella\_Zazzmataz](#): > > what harm? are you being physically attacked? does your life depend on it? no? no! Not at all! ya know what that means? it means yer life’s priorities are ■■■■■■ up. it means that you should go out more! get some sun, it really helps! sell yer computer! have a life! then come back, read yer ■■■■ again and feel embarrassed about it! Are you saying Eve isn’t real? 😱 ---
**Author:** ![Gerard\_Amatin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gerard_amatin/32/481361_2.png) [@Gerard\_Amatin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gerard_Amatin)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2018, 12:33pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/i-am-an-innocent-person-harmed-by-zkillboard/109981/38 "2018-09-29T12:33:15Z")
> [@darkestkhan\_Eriker](#): > > It is selfish because it marks alliance as easy targets and markets the area as hunting ground … thus increasing the number of hunters and increasing risks for everyone involved. You mean it increases the amount of content in your area? How’s that a bad thing? ---
**Author:** ![Dread\_Saboteur](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dread_saboteur/32/270709_2.png) [@Dread\_Saboteur](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dread_Saboteur)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2018, 12:48pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/i-am-an-innocent-person-harmed-by-zkillboard/109981/39 "2018-09-29T12:48:57Z")
No one cares about your kb padding ---
**Author:** ![z0rella\_Zazzmataz](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/z0rella_zazzmataz/32/96427_2.png) [@z0rella\_Zazzmataz](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/z0rella_Zazzmataz)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2018, 1:11pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/i-am-an-innocent-person-harmed-by-zkillboard/109981/40 "2018-09-29T13:11:27Z")
> [@Thomas\_Tur\_Bando](#): > > Since then I was forced to fix my killboard > [@Gerard\_Amatin](#): > > Are you saying Eve isn’t real? 😱 i know it. you know it. he on the other hand.. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/i-am-an-innocent-person-harmed-by-zkillboard/109981.md?page=1) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/i-am-an-innocent-person-harmed-by-zkillboard/109981.md?page=3)