# I believe Warp To Zero destroyed Eve (We should allow indterdictor SHIPS to operate in low-sec) **URL:** \ **Category:** Player Features & Ideas\ **Tags:** balance, redesign, game-mechanics\ **Created:** [October 31, 2019, 5:58pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/i-believe-warp-to-zero-destroyed-eve-we-should-allow-indterdictor-ships-to-operate-in-low-sec/198622 "2019-10-31T17:58:22Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 8
**Author:** ![Marcus\_Right](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/marcus_right/32/163815_2.png) [@Marcus\_Right](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Marcus_Right)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2019, 9:03pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/i-believe-warp-to-zero-destroyed-eve-we-should-allow-indterdictor-ships-to-operate-in-low-sec/198622/145 "2019-11-01T21:03:16Z")
> [@Kerono\_Thalmor](#): > > I like your post, and I have a simple solution: > > - Players cannot land within 15km of a celestial object. > - Players _can_ land within 15km of a bookmark. > - Bookmarks are prohibited inside 15km of a celestial object; any bookmarks existing/made within this radius are pushed out to 15km via the shortest path. They would need to be prohibited within 200km or larger to prevent people from warping to a bookmark at 15km or 100km like before. It might be simpler code to do what I recommended. But I agree with the spirit of your idea. šŸ˜ƒ You didnā€™t warp to bookmarks at zero before. Youā€™d make (or get a made) bookmark 15km past a gate, and then youā€™d warp to the bookmark at 15km, and effectively you warped to the gate at zero and could jump right away. It was an exploit. =-=-= Another idea at the time was that you landed at a random spot in a sphere around the bookmark. Making it random and rare as to whether or not youā€™d land on a gate then. Since warping at 15km could put you 30km away from the gate then. =-=-=-= But, Iā€™m not suggesting we go back to not being able to warp-to-zero. Iā€™m just suggesting interdictor ships be allowed to function in low-sec. (And not anchorable interdictors.) =-=-=-=-= Just like the interdictor sphere (anchorable) was invented for null-sec, to make up for the warp-to-zero. Allow the ships to make up for the warp-to-zero in low-sec. ---
**Author:** ![Marcus\_Right](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/marcus_right/32/163815_2.png) [@Marcus\_Right](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Marcus_Right)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2019, 9:15pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/i-believe-warp-to-zero-destroyed-eve-we-should-allow-indterdictor-ships-to-operate-in-low-sec/198622/146 "2019-11-01T21:15:03Z")
What some of these folks here, who suggest Iā€™m just looking for easy kills, donā€™t getā€¦ Is that the pirates moved from low-sec to high-sec. If I wanted easy kills, and to pad my killboard with big-fat ISK kills, Iā€™d join or create a high-sec pirate corp that bumps and attacks freighters. The pirates adapted. The in-game-trolls adapted. They figured if it was going to be impossible to catch people in low sec anyway, and they were just going to get killed by gate guns trying to tackle (because small ships are needed to lock fast, and small ships die to gate guns easily) then they might as well suicide gank in high-sec. Thatā€™s when the high-sec age of piracy began to grow huge. Because the pirates moved from low-sec to high-secā€¦ or quit. ---
**Author:** ![Marcus\_Right](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/marcus_right/32/163815_2.png) [@Marcus\_Right](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Marcus_Right)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2019, 9:16pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/i-believe-warp-to-zero-destroyed-eve-we-should-allow-indterdictor-ships-to-operate-in-low-sec/198622/147 "2019-11-01T21:16:03Z")
High-sec has become more dangerous than low-sec. Thatā€™s wrong. ---
**Author:** ![Kerono\_Thalmor](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/kerono_thalmor/32/505504_2.png) [@Kerono\_Thalmor](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Kerono_Thalmor)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2019, 9:16pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/i-believe-warp-to-zero-destroyed-eve-we-should-allow-indterdictor-ships-to-operate-in-low-sec/198622/148 "2019-11-01T21:16:49Z")
> [@Marcus\_Right](#): > > You didnā€™t warp to bookmarks at zero before. Youā€™d make (or get a made) bookmark 15km past a gate, and then youā€™d warp to the bookmark at 15km, and effectively you warped to the gate at zero and could jump right away. It was an exploit. Exactly, which is why I suggested outright preventing a player ship from landing within a 15km radius sphere of a given celestial. This wouldnā€™t really affect things like planets, because you already land thousands of kilometers away from them. But for stations and gates, this would create a ā€œdanger bubbleā€ around the object within which no ship could drop out of warp and must be traversed sub-light, no exceptions. The sad fact of the matter is that CCPs fix to that exploit was hasty and ill-considered. > [@Marcus\_Right](#): > > But, Iā€™m not suggesting we go back to not being able to warp-to-zero. Iā€™m just suggesting interdictor ships be allowed to function in low-sec. (And not anchorable interdictors.) This could work too, but I worry that that would lead to ā– ā– ā– ā– ā– ā– ā– ā–  levels of gatecamp. Think about it, you could just deploy a sparse cloud of interdictors, raise their bubbles, and drag people out of warp 200km away from the gate where they would have absolutely no chance at all. > [@Marcus\_Right](#): > > Thatā€™s when the high-sec age of piracy began to grow huge. Because the pirates moved from low-sec to high-secā€¦ or quit. Agreed, although sadly that means that piracy isnā€™t as fun for anyone anymore; there are no ransoms, no interaction, just random blapping with no talking your way out of it. ---
**Author:** ![Solstice\_Projekt](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/solstice_projekt/32/503293_2.png) [@Solstice\_Projekt](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Solstice_Projekt)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2019, 9:17pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/i-believe-warp-to-zero-destroyed-eve-we-should-allow-indterdictor-ships-to-operate-in-low-sec/198622/149 "2019-11-01T21:17:48Z")
That guy is in Horde. > **[Marcus Right | Character](https://zkillboard.com/character/780147385/)** > > Marcus Right: 143 ships destroyed and 60 ships lost. You donā€™t give a ā– ā– ā– ā–  about lowsec. ---
**Author:** ![Marcus\_Right](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/marcus_right/32/163815_2.png) [@Marcus\_Right](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Marcus_Right)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2019, 9:18pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/i-believe-warp-to-zero-destroyed-eve-we-should-allow-indterdictor-ships-to-operate-in-low-sec/198622/150 "2019-11-01T21:18:23Z")
> [@Kerono\_Thalmor](#): > > Exactly, which is why I suggested outright preventing a player ship from landing within a 15km radius sphere of a given celestial Well, that would be trying to put the genie back in the bottle. Itā€™s what they arguably should have done the first timeā€¦ but didnā€™t, for whatever reason, maybe/probably because of the community. > [@Kerono\_Thalmor](#): > > The sad fact of the matter is that CCPs fix to that exploit was hasty and ill-considered. Well, CCP didnā€™t design the game. They bought it. So, they didnā€™t understand the gameā€™s balance that way. They didnā€™t realize the need, or why it was designed in, for the 15km in the first place. The original designer(s) could have made the game warp-to-zero, but they wisely choose to make it 15km. > [@Kerono\_Thalmor](#): > > This could work too, but I worry that that would lead to ā– ā– ā– ā– ā– ā– ā– ā–  levels of gatecamp. Well, thatā€™s the point. =-=-= The game mechanics encourage or discourage certain styles of play. The point is, they need to encourage low-sec gate camping again. IMO. Because, I want to go bust up those gate camps! =-=-=-= Its like stocking a pond so you can fish it. =-=-=-= The point is to create activity in low-sec, where there is (virtually) none now. ---
**Author:** ![Kerono\_Thalmor](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/kerono_thalmor/32/505504_2.png) [@Kerono\_Thalmor](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Kerono_Thalmor)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2019, 9:31pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/i-believe-warp-to-zero-destroyed-eve-we-should-allow-indterdictor-ships-to-operate-in-low-sec/198622/153 "2019-11-01T21:31:15Z")
> [@Marcus\_Right](#): > > Well, thatā€™s the point. Okay, fair enough. I donā€™t have a problem with large gatecamps _per se_, what I have a problem with is people creating cheesy gatecamps. Perhaps a middle ground can be reached: - No ship can land within 15km of a celestial, no exceptions, as stated previously. - No bubbles within that sphere, _however_ā€¦ - Players can make bubbles outside that sphere, _and bubbles take priority in landing_, so you can easily drag people way past the gate or stop them further away than 15km to give yourself more room to catch them. What do you think? ---
**Author:** ![Harabec\_Ojutai](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/harabec_ojutai/32/212638_2.png) [@Harabec\_Ojutai](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Harabec_Ojutai)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2019, 9:31pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/i-believe-warp-to-zero-destroyed-eve-we-should-allow-indterdictor-ships-to-operate-in-low-sec/198622/154 "2019-11-01T21:31:43Z")
I guess my question would be, what is the counterplay for small non-combat ships to travel through gates? Does this mean that I, as an explorer, will be required to travel with someone piloting a combat ship in order to (potentially) make it through gate camps? I mean, I warp cloaked, but it really wouldnā€™t be hard for people to lay out objects in a 15 km radius around a gate in order to decloak me when I land. I do rigorous gate camp checks through various third-party tools, so maybe it wouldnā€™t be a big deal, but if I get to a gate and thereā€™s a camp, my death is completely unavoidable. Iā€™m not discounting your idea, Iā€™m just interested in your thoughts. ---
**Author:** ![Kerono\_Thalmor](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/kerono_thalmor/32/505504_2.png) [@Kerono\_Thalmor](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Kerono_Thalmor)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2019, 9:32pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/i-believe-warp-to-zero-destroyed-eve-we-should-allow-indterdictor-ships-to-operate-in-low-sec/198622/155 "2019-11-01T21:32:42Z")
> [@Harabec\_Ojutai](#): > > I guess my question would be, what is the counterplay for small non-combat ships to travel through gates? That is a very good question. Do you have any ideas? ---
**Author:** ![Marcus\_Right](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/marcus_right/32/163815_2.png) [@Marcus\_Right](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Marcus_Right)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2019, 9:33pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/i-believe-warp-to-zero-destroyed-eve-we-should-allow-indterdictor-ships-to-operate-in-low-sec/198622/156 "2019-11-01T21:33:05Z")
> [@Kerono\_Thalmor](#): > > What do you think? I think youā€™re asking CCP to reverse Warp-To-Zero, and allow bubbles. I think youā€™re asking CCP to write and/or change a lot of code. I think CCP can change one true/false switch on Interdictor ships and we could see how things go. I like your spirit and support though! šŸ˜ƒ Also, big gate camps, little gate camps, cheesy-gate-camps, uncheesy-gate-camps. Just let the pirates have low-sec back! - And lets see what happens. I have a feeling high-sec ganking is here to stay. Its probably too profitable. However, smaller groups would start to populate low-sec again. I bet. ---
**Author:** ![Solstice\_Projekt](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/solstice_projekt/32/503293_2.png) [@Solstice\_Projekt](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Solstice_Projekt)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2019, 9:34pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/i-believe-warp-to-zero-destroyed-eve-we-should-allow-indterdictor-ships-to-operate-in-low-sec/198622/157 "2019-11-01T21:34:28Z")
Guys, heā€™s fooling you. He doesnā€™t want to hunt them. Bubbles != Hunting. Heā€™s a nullseccer. Just look at his killboard, this guy doesnā€™t give a rats ass about what lowseccers want, he only cares about nullseccers. He wants bubbles so theyā€™ve having an easier time dropping on low seccers in masses. Heā€™s NOT talking about himself wanting to hunt, heā€™s talking about whole groups of people having an easier time dealing with actual pirates. Full of ā– ā– ā– ā– , thatā€™s what he is. Just look at his killboard. Look at ā€œSoloā€. Does it look like heā€™s capable of actually hunting anyone? Nope! ---
**Author:** ![Harabec\_Ojutai](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/harabec_ojutai/32/212638_2.png) [@Harabec\_Ojutai](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Harabec_Ojutai)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2019, 9:38pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/i-believe-warp-to-zero-destroyed-eve-we-should-allow-indterdictor-ships-to-operate-in-low-sec/198622/158 "2019-11-01T21:38:02Z")
Iā€™m not sure if youā€™re asking me or the OP, but I guess I could warp to something \> 15km and attempt to manually pilot to gate cloaked. Which is, I suppose, what I would do if something like this came to pass and no other option was available. It would be a bit tedious, but probably wouldnā€™t happen too frequently. I donā€™t know, maybe itā€™s not as big of an issue as I initially thought. Such a scenario would likely get the adrenaline going, thatā€™s for sure. ---
**Author:** ![Marcus\_Right](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/marcus_right/32/163815_2.png) [@Marcus\_Right](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Marcus_Right)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2019, 9:38pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/i-believe-warp-to-zero-destroyed-eve-we-should-allow-indterdictor-ships-to-operate-in-low-sec/198622/159 "2019-11-01T21:38:39Z")
> [@Solstice\_Projekt](#): > > He doesnā€™t want to hunt them. Bubbles != Hunting. Heā€™s a nullseccer. Just look at his killboard, this guy doesnā€™t give a rats ass about what lowseccers want, he only cares about nullseccers. He wants bubbles so theyā€™ve having an easier time dropping on low seccers in masses. Heā€™s NOT talking about himself wanting to hunt, heā€™s talking about whole groups of people having an easier time dealing with actual pirates. Have you watched my video Solstice? Have you seen my killboard? Hereā€™s some select ones, look at what ship Iā€™m flyingā€¦ > **[Hecate | Lorilee Ambraelle | Killmail](https://zkillboard.com/kill/79568888/)** > > Lorilee Ambraelle (Orlendard Trading Corporation) lost their Hecate in GQ-7SP (The Kalevala Expanse). Final Blow by Abraham Abednego (Pandemic Horde Inc.) flying in a Ferox. Total Value: 58,754,643.44 ISK > **[Hecate | Redzia M | Killmail](https://zkillboard.com/kill/79339437/)** > > Redzia M (The Buccaneers.) lost their Hecate in O5-YNW (The Kalevala Expanse). Final Blow by Marcus Right (Pandemic Horde Inc.) flying in a Procurer. Total Value: 95,692,188.74 ISK > **[Sabre | Swiezaq | Killmail](https://zkillboard.com/kill/79337095/)** > > Swiezaq (The Buccaneers.) lost their Sabre in O5-YNW (The Kalevala Expanse). Final Blow by Jakaja Cain (Beyond Frontier) flying in a Federation Navy Comet. Total Value: 159,401,003.03 ISK > **[Procurer | Marcus Right | Killmail](https://zkillboard.com/kill/79426930/)** > > Marcus Right (Pandemic Horde Inc.) lost their Procurer in V2-GZS (The Kalevala Expanse). Final Blow by Moraug (Violence is the Answer) flying in a Osprey Navy Issue. Total Value: 41,265,884.73 ISK > **[Prowler | Marcus Right | Killmail](https://zkillboard.com/kill/79402335/)** > > Marcus Right (Pandemic Horde Inc.) lost their Prowler in O-VWPB (Geminate). Final Blow by ELicken (Amok.) flying in a Sabre. Total Value: 692,232,319.72 ISK > **[Merlin | godiam | Killmail](https://zkillboard.com/kill/5257394/)** > > godiam (Warriors of Armageddon) lost their Merlin in Uuhulanen (Black Rise). Final Blow by Marcus Right (Pilots of Damnation) flying solo in a Hulk. Total Value: 2,055,338.14 ISK > **[Mammoth | Marcus Right | Killmail](https://zkillboard.com/kill/408962/)** > > Marcus Right (Brutor Tribe) lost their Mammoth in Niarja (Domain). Final Blow by Zudari (coracao ardente) flying solo in a Brutix. Total Value: 362,826,788.14 ISK > **[Probe | Marcus Right | Killmail](https://zkillboard.com/kill/1732872/)** > > Marcus Right (Rising Star Empire) lost their Probe in Oulley (Placid). Final Blow by Ruusumarja (Perkone) flying solo in a Typhoon. Total Value: 686,792.77 ISK This one I get CONCORDED (my only Concord death) webbing a freighter to help it warp when it was being bumped by high-sec pirates. > **[Huginn | Marcus Right | Killmail](https://zkillboard.com/kill/68229239/)** > > Marcus Right (Cu Sith Clan) lost their Huginn in Deltole (Sinq Laison) Total Value: 260,594,546.27 ISK Did you see my videos? ---
**Author:** ![Solecist\_Project](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/solecist_project/32/479741_2.png) [@Solecist\_Project](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Solecist_Project)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2019, 9:45pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/i-believe-warp-to-zero-destroyed-eve-we-should-allow-indterdictor-ships-to-operate-in-low-sec/198622/160 "2019-11-01T21:45:01Z")
Why do you link killmails that have literally nothing to do with you claiming that you wish to hunt pirates in lowsec? And no, I donā€™t even know who you are. What I do know, though, is that youā€™re in Horde, is that you suck solo and is that you want bubbles in lowsec for a reason thatā€™s stupid, because bubbles arenā€™t needed to hunt anyone. What I also know is that _you_ definitely donā€™t want to hunt people solo. Youā€™re a nullseccer. Youā€™re in Horde. Your ā€œI want to huntā€ means ā€œI want to drop superior masses on small groups of piratesā€. If you want to make a point then you really need to try a lot harder. ---
**Author:** ![Merin\_Ryskin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/merin_ryskin/32/259354_2.png) [@Merin\_Ryskin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Merin_Ryskin)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2019, 9:45pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/i-believe-warp-to-zero-destroyed-eve-we-should-allow-indterdictor-ships-to-operate-in-low-sec/198622/161 "2019-11-01T21:45:12Z")
> [@Marcus\_Right](#): > > High-sec has become more dangerous than low-sec. Nonsense. Highsec is almost perfectly safe if you arenā€™t an idiot. The fact that idiots pack freighters full of easy loot and fly obliviously into popular gank systems is not a mechanics problem, itā€™s just idiots being idiots. ---
**Author:** ![Marcus\_Right](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/marcus_right/32/163815_2.png) [@Marcus\_Right](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Marcus_Right)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2019, 9:48pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/i-believe-warp-to-zero-destroyed-eve-we-should-allow-indterdictor-ships-to-operate-in-low-sec/198622/162 "2019-11-01T21:48:48Z")
> [@Merin\_Ryskin](#): > > Nonsense. Highsec is almost perfectly safe if you arenā€™t an idiot. The fact that idiots pack freighters full of easy loot and fly obliviously into popular gank systems is not a mechanics problem, itā€™s just idiots being idiots. Iā€™m fine with high-sec gankers, and youā€™re right people need to fly smart. (Thatā€™s my slogan! Fly Smart ā„¢ ) But, High-sec became more dangerous than low-sec after Warp-To-Zero, and I argue as a result of Warp-To-Zero. Iā€™m not trying to make high-sec safer. Iā€™m trying to make low-sec more interesting (by making it more dangerous). ---
**Author:** ![Solecist\_Project](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/solecist_project/32/479741_2.png) [@Solecist\_Project](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Solecist_Project)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2019, 9:50pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/i-believe-warp-to-zero-destroyed-eve-we-should-allow-indterdictor-ships-to-operate-in-low-sec/198622/163 "2019-11-01T21:50:51Z")
> [@Marcus\_Right](#): > > But, High-sec became more dangerous than low-sec after Warp-To-Zero, and I argue as a result of Warp-To-Zero. That was over a ā– ā– ā– ā– ā– ā– ā–  decade ago! A ā– ā– ā– ā– ā– ā– ā–  DECADE! Stop bullshitting us! > [@Marcus\_Right](#): > > Iā€™m not trying to make high-sec safer. Iā€™m trying to make low-sec more interesting (by making it more dangerous). ā– ā– ā– ā– ā– ā– ā– ā– . Youā€™re a nullseccer. You know jack ā– ā– ā– ā–  about lowsec. ā– ā– ā– ā– ā– ā– ā– ā– ! ---
**Author:** ![Rocket\_Hellfire](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/rocket_hellfire/32/396905_2.png) [@Rocket\_Hellfire](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Rocket_Hellfire)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2019, 9:51pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/i-believe-warp-to-zero-destroyed-eve-we-should-allow-indterdictor-ships-to-operate-in-low-sec/198622/164 "2019-11-01T21:51:09Z")
ā€œWAAAHHH!! I WANT EASIER KILLS!! WWWAAAAHHHH!!ā€ ā€œIā€™M TOO SCARED TO FIND REAL FIGHTS AGAINST PEOPLE WHO WANT TO FIGHT!! WWAAAAHHHHH!!!ā€ "WWWAAAHHHHH!!! šŸ˜­šŸ˜©šŸ˜«šŸ˜¢šŸ˜­šŸ˜­šŸ˜­ ---
**Author:** ![Merin\_Ryskin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/merin_ryskin/32/259354_2.png) [@Merin\_Ryskin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Merin_Ryskin)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2019, 9:52pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/i-believe-warp-to-zero-destroyed-eve-we-should-allow-indterdictor-ships-to-operate-in-low-sec/198622/165 "2019-11-01T21:52:44Z")
> [@Marcus\_Right](#): > > But, High-sec became more dangerous than low-sec after Warp-To-Zero, and I argue as a result of Warp-To-Zero. Again, no. Highsec has essentially zero danger unless you are an idiot. Lowsec has significant danger and sometimes you will die with little hope of escape. ---
**Author:** ![Marcus\_Right](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/marcus_right/32/163815_2.png) [@Marcus\_Right](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Marcus_Right)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2019, 9:52pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/i-believe-warp-to-zero-destroyed-eve-we-should-allow-indterdictor-ships-to-operate-in-low-sec/198622/166 "2019-11-01T21:52:52Z")
> [@Solecist\_Project](#): > > What I also know is that _you_ definitely donā€™t want to hunt people solo. Youā€™re a nullseccer. Youā€™re in Horde. Your ā€œI want to huntā€ means ā€œI want to drop superior masses on small groups of piratesā€. I used to run pirate-hunting corporation. We used to hunt pirates. But, no pirates to hunt, I got bored. I left Eve. I came back to Eve for Black out and missed it. I jonied Horde before and now because Iā€™m looking for community. I miss the old community I used to get from Eve. I miss the cooperation. I was hoping Iā€™d get that in Horde. And Horde does work like a well oiled machine at times, they recently did an operation (as my killboard shows) were we went and lit some peopleā€™s space on fire. But it was boring. I didnā€™t know what I was fighting FOR. I was just following orders, doing stuff I was toldā€¦ there wasnā€™t a feeling of a community. It was just doing stuff. So, I got to thinkingā€¦ ā€œI miss the old daysā€¦ what was different back then?ā€ Well, we hunted pirates. I canā€™t go hunt pirates now, THEY DONā€™T EXIST, so of course Iā€™m not roaming low-sec hunting pirates. I could go roaming low-sec hunting people doing faction warfare, or hunting people running missionsā€¦ But why do I want to attack some poor guy running a mission? And, most faction warfares I find are empty. I go there, figuring at least those people are looking for a fightā€¦ but it turns out theyā€™re notā€¦ theyā€™re just looking to farm the beacons and run when you show up on D-Scan. So, letā€™s make low-sec more dangerous. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/i-believe-warp-to-zero-destroyed-eve-we-should-allow-indterdictor-ships-to-operate-in-low-sec/198622.md?page=7) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/i-believe-warp-to-zero-destroyed-eve-we-should-allow-indterdictor-ships-to-operate-in-low-sec/198622.md?page=9)