# I dont know who needs to hear this but eve online has never been free to play **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [July 18, 2023, 11:17am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/i-dont-know-who-needs-to-hear-this-but-eve-online-has-never-been-free-to-play/413029 "2023-07-18T11:17:21Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![plazid](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/plazid/32/402496_2.png) [@plazid](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/plazid)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2023, 11:17am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/i-dont-know-who-needs-to-hear-this-but-eve-online-has-never-been-free-to-play/413029/1 "2023-07-18T11:17:21Z")
![image](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/c/7/a/c7a910314d5525d8ad90012d99813a45ede3d1ae.jpeg) If you need to pay to access the full game its not free to play. And also, paying for “2x skill training speed” feels wrong for most gamers because it comes across as cheaty and they dont want to cheat. ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2023, 11:19am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/i-dont-know-who-needs-to-hear-this-but-eve-online-has-never-been-free-to-play/413029/2 "2023-07-18T11:19:13Z")
Stop whining. ---
**Author:** ![plazid](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/plazid/32/402496_2.png) [@plazid](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/plazid)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2023, 11:19am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/i-dont-know-who-needs-to-hear-this-but-eve-online-has-never-been-free-to-play/413029/3 "2023-07-18T11:19:52Z")
Define whining ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2023, 11:21am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/i-dont-know-who-needs-to-hear-this-but-eve-online-has-never-been-free-to-play/413029/4 "2023-07-18T11:21:26Z")
Crying. ---
**Author:** ![plazid](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/plazid/32/402496_2.png) [@plazid](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/plazid)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2023, 11:22am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/i-dont-know-who-needs-to-hear-this-but-eve-online-has-never-been-free-to-play/413029/5 "2023-07-18T11:22:04Z")
That seems like a strange definition of whining, but assuming im crying whats wrong with that ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2023, 11:23am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/i-dont-know-who-needs-to-hear-this-but-eve-online-has-never-been-free-to-play/413029/6 "2023-07-18T11:23:40Z")
Ok whinebaby. ---
**Author:** ![plazid](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/plazid/32/402496_2.png) [@plazid](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/plazid)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2023, 11:24am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/i-dont-know-who-needs-to-hear-this-but-eve-online-has-never-been-free-to-play/413029/7 "2023-07-18T11:24:49Z")
Im actually laughing, caus that was a very silly post you just made ---
**Author:** ![Utari\_Onzo](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/utari_onzo/32/378493_2.png) [@Utari\_Onzo](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Utari_Onzo)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2023, 12:14pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/i-dont-know-who-needs-to-hear-this-but-eve-online-has-never-been-free-to-play/413029/8 "2023-07-18T12:14:19Z")
I don’t think many folks are playing under the illusion that “free to play” means “full total access” for a lot of models. Most Freemium games are moving, or were built to, a model that either locks certain content behind a paywall, restricts character development to a certain level (even Wordl of Warcraft did this back in the day) or makes non-sub accounts have to grind longer for stuff. Nothing in the OP’s post is a) new, b) particularly useful or c) interesting. It’s the definition of a ‘whinge post’. ---
**Author:** ![Vuhdo\_Rin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/vuhdo_rin/32/378868_2.png) [@Vuhdo\_Rin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Vuhdo_Rin)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2023, 12:14pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/i-dont-know-who-needs-to-hear-this-but-eve-online-has-never-been-free-to-play/413029/9 "2023-07-18T12:14:41Z")
dont like EvE ? then run back to WoW and STFU… i never understand why ppl are ranting about games they didnt play ---
**Author:** ![Kitaula\_Kuusa\_Jouhinen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/kitaula_kuusa_jouhinen/32/498716_2.png) [@Kitaula\_Kuusa\_Jouhinen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Kitaula_Kuusa_Jouhinen)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2023, 12:41pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/i-dont-know-who-needs-to-hear-this-but-eve-online-has-never-been-free-to-play/413029/10 "2023-07-18T12:41:55Z")
You can actually do a lot and have a good time for free. Sure it’s not the whole thing, but the more important parts are free, like being in fleets and corps. I’d play free, but I literally can’t enjoy myself unless I’m running two or three characters at once. ---
**Author:** ![plazid](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/plazid/32/402496_2.png) [@plazid](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/plazid)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2023, 12:46pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/i-dont-know-who-needs-to-hear-this-but-eve-online-has-never-been-free-to-play/413029/11 "2023-07-18T12:46:38Z")
> [@Utari\_Onzo](#): > > Most Freemium games are moving, or were built to, a model that either locks certain content behind a paywall Is freemium the same as free to play? If so i would like a source for the claim that most free 2 play games are built to lock certain content behind a paywall For example Starcraft 2 is free 2 play Counter-Strike GO Dota 2 Even Bloons TD6 And they all have multiplayer, and you dont feel like you have to pay money in any of those games. Yet they seem to be succesfull. But even if they are the exception to the rule and the best “free 2 play” model is to gate most of the content behind a paywall you would expect Eve Online to have more players than this. I wouldnt be surprised if the amount of people playing EVE online would double or triple if they got rid of the Omega time and instead treated every player like they had Omega time. (This will then trickle over into purchasing skins and what not) But people who have never purchased plex probably shouldnt be allowed to have the skill queue tho. But im not sure. And also people who have never purchased plex should probably get into a login queue if there are more than x players online? And instead PLEX should be used for more things like character name changes, attribute remapping (no more free ones?), and all this other stuff that doesent prevent the player from playing the game to its fullest but is still something that is in demand (100 Plex to completely recustomize your character appearance?). The more i talk about it the longer it will probably take for someone important to make this realization tho 😃 But for example starcraft 2 became actual free 2 play years ago. And i dont think they regret the decision. But who knows. ---
**Author:** ![Gadget\_Helmsdottir](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gadget_helmsdottir/32/374037_2.png) [@Gadget\_Helmsdottir](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gadget_Helmsdottir)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2023, 12:47pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/i-dont-know-who-needs-to-hear-this-but-eve-online-has-never-been-free-to-play/413029/12 "2023-07-18T12:47:39Z")
We know it’s not really ‘free to play’. It’s free to try indefinitely. –Honest Gadget ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2023, 12:57pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/i-dont-know-who-needs-to-hear-this-but-eve-online-has-never-been-free-to-play/413029/13 "2023-07-18T12:57:20Z")
CCP should restructure and become a charity providing free games for plazid. ---
**Author:** ![Utari\_Onzo](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/utari_onzo/32/378493_2.png) [@Utari\_Onzo](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Utari_Onzo)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2023, 1:37pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/i-dont-know-who-needs-to-hear-this-but-eve-online-has-never-been-free-to-play/413029/14 "2023-07-18T13:37:24Z")
Sir, this is a Wendy’s ---
**Author:** ![plazid](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/plazid/32/402496_2.png) [@plazid](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/plazid)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2023, 1:42pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/i-dont-know-who-needs-to-hear-this-but-eve-online-has-never-been-free-to-play/413029/15 "2023-07-18T13:42:50Z")
Is there 0 possibility for intelligent discussion on this forum? Seems like the interesting topics just end up with meme references or random accusations and knee-jerk if not toxic rhetoric at this point ---
**Author:** ![Charlotte\_Aufraises](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/charlotte_aufraises/32/378701_2.png) [@Charlotte\_Aufraises](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Charlotte_Aufraises)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2023, 1:51pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/i-dont-know-who-needs-to-hear-this-but-eve-online-has-never-been-free-to-play/413029/16 "2023-07-18T13:51:46Z")
@plazid Every gamer knows what “Free to Play” is. You aren’t saying anything new. ---
**Author:** ![plazid](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/plazid/32/402496_2.png) [@plazid](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/plazid)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2023, 1:52pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/i-dont-know-who-needs-to-hear-this-but-eve-online-has-never-been-free-to-play/413029/17 "2023-07-18T13:52:41Z")
Source? I mean when someone dowloads CS:GO because its free to play, he is expecting to see when he spawns and opens the menu to buy and use an AK “ONLY PLAYERS WITH OMEGA TIME CAN ACCESS THIS”. Are you telling me thats what every gamer expects in a free 2 play game? huh? ---
**Author:** ![Charlotte\_Aufraises](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/charlotte_aufraises/32/378701_2.png) [@Charlotte\_Aufraises](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Charlotte_Aufraises)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2023, 1:53pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/i-dont-know-who-needs-to-hear-this-but-eve-online-has-never-been-free-to-play/413029/18 "2023-07-18T13:53:13Z")
> [@plazid](#): > > Source? Get out of here 😆 ---
**Author:** ![Charlotte\_Aufraises](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/charlotte_aufraises/32/378701_2.png) [@Charlotte\_Aufraises](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Charlotte_Aufraises)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2023, 1:54pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/i-dont-know-who-needs-to-hear-this-but-eve-online-has-never-been-free-to-play/413029/19 "2023-07-18T13:54:29Z")
> [@plazid](#): > > I mean when someone dowloads CS:GO because its free to play, he is expecting to see when he opens the menu to purchase rifles “ONLY PLAYERS WITH OMEGA TIME CAN ACCESS THIS”. Are you telling me thats what every gamer expects in a free 2 play game? huh? Yes… ---
**Author:** ![plazid](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/plazid/32/402496_2.png) [@plazid](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/plazid)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2023, 1:54pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/i-dont-know-who-needs-to-hear-this-but-eve-online-has-never-been-free-to-play/413029/20 "2023-07-18T13:54:56Z")
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