# I feel as if high-sec insurgencies don't do anything, here's my suggestions **URL:** \ **Category:** Warfare & Tactics\ **Tags:** pvp\ **Created:** [January 8, 2024, 5:50pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/i-feel-as-if-high-sec-insurgencies-dont-do-anything-heres-my-suggestions/435546 "2024-01-08T17:50:04Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 11\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Count\_of\_MonteCylon](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/count_of_montecylon/32/394931_2.png) [@Count\_of\_MonteCylon](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Count_of_MonteCylon)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2024, 5:50pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/i-feel-as-if-high-sec-insurgencies-dont-do-anything-heres-my-suggestions/435546/1 "2024-01-08T17:50:04Z")
So the high-sec area I operate out of has seen two successful pirate insurgencies so far and the net effect has been nothing. The way I see it, is you basically get a low-sec system without any of the extra ISK-making opportunities that low-sec normally offers, so the place turns into a ghost town until the insurgency ends, after which all of the locals come back. It’s annoying but not much else. I can think of a few ways to try and improve this: 1. Somehow, ISK making opportunities need to be at least as good as low-sec, if not better. New anomaly types seem like the most obvious way to do this. 2. It should be possible for the system’s usual residents to restore order to the system early. Otherwise, why bother staying in the system? You lost to the pirates (doesn’t seem like anyone wins at this currently, at least not where I am), it’s over, just use a different system for a couple days and then come back. Maybe this is counter-intuitive but a defeat you can’t come back from doesn’t encourage more engagement from the usual system residents. Along with better anomalies, the fight should continue in some shape or form. For example, you get CONCORD back in most of the system, but not in the newly spawned anomalies, which means that pirates who are farming those anoms can still attack you if you try and contest those. ---
**Author:** ![Ping\_PangWang](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ping_pangwang/32/393897_2.png) [@Ping\_PangWang](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ping_PangWang)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2024, 6:35pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/i-feel-as-if-high-sec-insurgencies-dont-do-anything-heres-my-suggestions/435546/2 "2024-01-08T18:35:31Z")
1, no it’s not a low sec 2. You can through in-game mechanics, if you choose to wait til it’s maxed against you, that is in fact on you. ---
**Author:** ![Syzygium](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/syzygium/32/510263_2.png) [@Syzygium](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Syzygium)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2024, 6:12pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/i-feel-as-if-high-sec-insurgencies-dont-do-anything-heres-my-suggestions/435546/3 "2024-01-10T18:12:17Z")
Isn’t the biggest impact that Player Owned Structures (Citadels, POS, POCOs) can be attacked if CONCORD is out, without a wardec? Or did I get this one wrong? ---
**Author:** ![Arthur\_Aihaken](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arthur_aihaken/32/504104_2.png) [@Arthur\_Aihaken](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arthur_Aihaken)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2024, 10:51pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/i-feel-as-if-high-sec-insurgencies-dont-do-anything-heres-my-suggestions/435546/4 "2024-01-10T22:51:54Z")
I just want to see Jita resort to a 0.4 system for one week… ---
**Author:** ![Sarah\_Olson](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sarah_olson/32/377582_2.png) [@Sarah\_Olson](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sarah_Olson)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2024, 1:37am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/i-feel-as-if-high-sec-insurgencies-dont-do-anything-heres-my-suggestions/435546/5 "2024-01-11T01:37:14Z")
> [@Syzygium](#): > > Citadels Citadels in high can’t be destroyed as result of insurgencies, the reinforcement timers are too long and the insurgency will end before that. As for POS, I think they are a pain to attack and I doubt anyone cares enough about them to do so. ---
**Author:** ![Syzygium](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/syzygium/32/510263_2.png) [@Syzygium](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Syzygium)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2024, 3:11am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/i-feel-as-if-high-sec-insurgencies-dont-do-anything-heres-my-suggestions/435546/6 "2024-01-11T03:11:08Z")
Thank you for the Clarification. ---
**Author:** ![Komi\_Valentine](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/komi_valentine/32/502956_2.png) [@Komi\_Valentine](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Komi_Valentine)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2024, 12:40pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/i-feel-as-if-high-sec-insurgencies-dont-do-anything-heres-my-suggestions/435546/7 "2024-01-11T12:40:16Z")
This is not true. Timers take ~4.5 days, the Insurgency can last way longer. ---
**Author:** ![Sarah\_Olson](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sarah_olson/32/377582_2.png) [@Sarah\_Olson](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sarah_Olson)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2024, 2:50pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/i-feel-as-if-high-sec-insurgencies-dont-do-anything-heres-my-suggestions/435546/8 "2024-01-11T14:50:19Z")
Technically this is true but in practice this is not happening. Captured high sec systems are lucky if they last 3 days. ---
**Author:** ![Komi\_Valentine](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/komi_valentine/32/502956_2.png) [@Komi\_Valentine](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Komi_Valentine)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2024, 3:04pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/i-feel-as-if-high-sec-insurgencies-dont-do-anything-heres-my-suggestions/435546/9 "2024-01-11T15:04:31Z")
[https://www.reddit.com/r/Eve/comments/1919h9l/the\_angel\_cartel\_has\_successfully\_taken\_down\_an/](https://www.reddit.com/r/Eve/comments/1919h9l/the_angel_cartel_has_successfully_taken_down_an/) This was the first in the Amarr/Mil warzone, the Guristas have taken down one as well to my information The Insurgency can last longer than the armor/hull timer on medium structures and this is a fact. It depends on how hard systems are defended and how hard the pirates push. > **[Athanor | Bored Miner Enterprises | Killmail](https://zkillboard.com/kill/114602868/)** > > (Bored Miner Enterprises) lost their Athanor in Gammel (The Bleak Lands). Final Blow by Larson Drak (13 CALAVERAS) flying in a Exequror Navy Issue. Total Value: 3,074,360,509.74 ISK > **[Raitaru | Legionaire Astarte D.O.W. | Killmail](https://zkillboard.com/kill/113521375/)** > > (Legionaire Astarte D.O.W.) lost their Raitaru in Samanuni (Black Rise). Final Blow by Rabbit Prototype (Blades of Liberty) flying in a Worm. Total Value: 4,262,895,314.59 ISK ---
**Author:** ![Mr\_Siman](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mr_siman/32/392630_2.png) [@Mr\_Siman](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mr_Siman)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2024, 6:15am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/i-feel-as-if-high-sec-insurgencies-dont-do-anything-heres-my-suggestions/435546/11 "2024-03-25T06:15:54Z")
Guristas took down five structures in Usi (0.5), including a Tatara and an Azbel: > **[Tatara | Orca Fleet | Killmail](https://zkillboard.com/kill/116116837/)** > > (Orca Fleet) lost their Tatara in Usi (The Citadel). Final Blow by Johny Quango (Black Rabbits) flying in a Talos. Total Value: 10,945,980,555.56 ISK > **[Azbel | Trinity Collective Holdings | Killmail](https://zkillboard.com/kill/116162811/)** > > (Trinity Collective Holdings) lost their Azbel in Usi (The Citadel). Final Blow by Paquito (Immortalis Inc.) flying in a Exequror Navy Issue. Total Value: 7,175,817,714.62 ISK > **[Athanor | Trinity Collective Holdings | Killmail](https://zkillboard.com/kill/116106055/)** > > (Trinity Collective Holdings) lost their Athanor in Usi (The Citadel). Final Blow by grimaxemorpher (The Dark Space Initiative) flying in a Retribution. Total Value: 3,012,592,070.57 ISK > **[Athanor | Trinity Collective Holdings | Killmail](https://zkillboard.com/kill/116085027/)** > > (Trinity Collective Holdings) lost their Athanor in Usi (The Citadel). Final Blow by Clarice Jackson (The Dark Space Initiative) flying in a Vargur. Total Value: 2,911,822,917.40 ISK > **[Athanor | Trinity Collective Holdings | Killmail](https://zkillboard.com/kill/116103343/)** > > (Trinity Collective Holdings) lost their Athanor in Usi (The Citadel). Final Blow by Hellz Hitman (No-Mercy) flying in a Drekavac. Total Value: 2,383,258,832.17 ISK And Shadow Cartel got another Tatara as a result of the insurgency: > **[Tatara | Trinity Collective Holdings | Killmail](https://zkillboard.com/kill/116133619/)** > > (Trinity Collective Holdings) lost their Tatara in Usi (The Citadel). Final Blow by Tumeteus Ambraelle (Immortalis Inc.) flying in a Naga. Total Value: 11,105,504,520.56 ISK So yeah. There’s time. ---
**Author:** ![system](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/4/1/41ec4921cbaca7a6f9ea556e7cc20018461eae5e.png) [@system](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/system)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2024, 6:16am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/i-feel-as-if-high-sec-insurgencies-dont-do-anything-heres-my-suggestions/435546/12 "2024-06-23T06:16:19Z")
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