# I feel bad for the people who have to train for 90 days **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [October 16, 2020, 10:51pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/i-feel-bad-for-the-people-who-have-to-train-for-90-days/274112 "2020-10-16T22:51:13Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 8
**Author:** ![Pozdro\_Tubylcy](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/pozdro_tubylcy/32/265318_2.png) [@Pozdro\_Tubylcy](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Pozdro_Tubylcy)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2020, 2:22pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/i-feel-bad-for-the-people-who-have-to-train-for-90-days/274112/142 "2020-10-17T14:22:05Z")
Lonesol destroyed many old psychopaths and did it perfectly well ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2020, 2:45pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/i-feel-bad-for-the-people-who-have-to-train-for-90-days/274112/143 "2020-10-17T14:45:40Z")
> [@Pozdro\_Tubylcy](#): > > Lonesol **validated** many old psychopaths Maybe ---
**Author:** ![Cypr3ss\_Deteis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/cypr3ss_deteis/32/392947_2.png) [@Cypr3ss\_Deteis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Cypr3ss_Deteis)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2020, 2:51pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/i-feel-bad-for-the-people-who-have-to-train-for-90-days/274112/144 "2020-10-17T14:51:43Z")
> [@Lonesol](#): > > You honestly don’t think if I didn’t enjoy the game I would dump the required money to do that in 2 weeks? I believe the proverb goes “a fool and his money are soon parted”… and here you are bragging about it… jolly good work, keep it up, CCP needs a way to keep the hamsters fed, and you sound like just the ticket! 🙂 Also Officer mods, you should def fit these to all the ships you fly, it just makes them better! 😉 Regards, Cypr3ss. ---
**Author:** ![Forum\_Posting\_Alt](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/forum_posting_alt/32/254303_2.png) [@Forum\_Posting\_Alt](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Forum_Posting_Alt)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2020, 3:11pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/i-feel-bad-for-the-people-who-have-to-train-for-90-days/274112/145 "2020-10-17T15:11:12Z")
OP for CSM!! free holidays… 🥳 ---
**Author:** ![Gaius\_Mileghere](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gaius_mileghere/32/258417_2.png) [@Gaius\_Mileghere](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gaius_Mileghere)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2020, 3:21pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/i-feel-bad-for-the-people-who-have-to-train-for-90-days/274112/146 "2020-10-17T15:21:27Z")
that is exactly what he’s saying: make EVE pay-to-win. If they ever did that I would biomass everything. ---
**Author:** ![Gerard\_Amatin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gerard_amatin/32/481361_2.png) [@Gerard\_Amatin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gerard_Amatin)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2020, 3:25pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/i-feel-bad-for-the-people-who-have-to-train-for-90-days/274112/147 "2020-10-17T15:25:42Z")
> [@Lonesol](#): > > So now I’m on to relic sites, but they don’t look that great according to reddit, I like to see for my self though, but all these things if I had to grind it would of took me God like a year or more staring at the wall. It seems you are glad you didn’t train (grind?) for certain things that you do not enjoy doing. Have you noticed that EVE offers playes a taste of pretty much every activity for a fraction of the SP needed? For example, you can mine in a T1 barge, don’t need an exhumer for that to see that you do or do not like mining. You don’t need to train all the way to Exhumers level 5 to get to that conclusion. Same for hauling, exploration, fighting, etc. Training into a freighter is also a bad idea, unless you figure you really want to move that volume of stuff and going multiple trips in your T1 hauler isn’t cutting it anymore. Anyway, the ‘grind’ in EVE isn’t bad. It’s actually the best grind I’ve seen in games; I don’t need to mindlessly repeat the same action over and over and over again to get better skills; I just need to pay for a subscription which I was doing anyway to fly the ships I want to fly! ---
**Author:** ![Lonesol](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lonesol/32/233524_2.png) [@Lonesol](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Lonesol)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2020, 3:31pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/i-feel-bad-for-the-people-who-have-to-train-for-90-days/274112/148 "2020-10-17T15:31:52Z")
No pay 2 win equals I can buy say a ship with 10000000 hps and there is no way u can get one with out paying. What I suggested is a cash shop with the same stuff that can be made in the game, just I dont have to waste time having some one make it for me. Adding in the cash shop stuff is not tradeable. It would make cpp more money, and I wouldn’t have to waste time in the meaningless penny market that I find boring, tedious and not fun. It wouldn’t affect ur grind of minerals or making stuff for people who want to do it that way. Sounds to me you just don’t like competition. Now I really hope they do haha to see if your bluffing, it would be hilarous to watch a bunch of people delete all thier stuff and me just hitting buy in the cash shop. ---
**Author:** ![Lonesol](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lonesol/32/233524_2.png) [@Lonesol](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Lonesol)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2020, 3:33pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/i-feel-bad-for-the-people-who-have-to-train-for-90-days/274112/149 "2020-10-17T15:33:04Z")
That is very true, and if u don’t want to do that you can skip it all which I definitely like. ---
**Author:** ![Gaius\_Mileghere](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gaius_mileghere/32/258417_2.png) [@Gaius\_Mileghere](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gaius_Mileghere)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2020, 3:37pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/i-feel-bad-for-the-people-who-have-to-train-for-90-days/274112/150 "2020-10-17T15:37:19Z")
no, I don’t like the idea of buying your way into a capital hull when those with more time than money, such as myself who has to deal with PTSD and associated social issues on top of mild autism, legitimately have to think of more game-centric ways of obtaining the same thing. If I wanted P2W content I’d play world of tanks and own the field. Having EVERYBODY obtain their hulls and modules in the same way, skilling at the same speed (yeah yeah skill injectors whatever snore) levels the playing field so a one day old character with normal skillpoint balance can go straight out and potentially make a fortune in his first week like I did. ---
**Author:** ![Lonesol](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lonesol/32/233524_2.png) [@Lonesol](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Lonesol)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2020, 3:38pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/i-feel-bad-for-the-people-who-have-to-train-for-90-days/274112/151 "2020-10-17T15:38:26Z")
The games already pay 2 win then for u, better find a new game. I could be in any ship within a hour. Which would take u literal years. All I wanted is to cut out the slave labor haha, I dont enjoy buying stuff from people for like 10 cents that took them God knows how long to obtain. I mean I def don’t understand how stuff is made nor do I want to, but as the people like to point out my 250m ship I lost haha, it literally cost me like 2 dollars. It probably took that person who made it 8 months plus to get all set up for that and I have him a dollar haha. Playing this game makes me feel like I’m enabling sweat shops. Where they could just sell me everything I wanted and I wouldn’t feel like I’m enabling sweat shop labor, and since its not tradeable it doesn’t effect that as much. ---
**Author:** ![Gaius\_Mileghere](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gaius_mileghere/32/258417_2.png) [@Gaius\_Mileghere](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gaius_Mileghere)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2020, 3:42pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/i-feel-bad-for-the-people-who-have-to-train-for-90-days/274112/152 "2020-10-17T15:42:17Z")
if people didn’t want to build the stuff they wouldn’t build it. If people didn’t want to trade on the market there would be no market. Jita is pretty much entirely created by players, following the repipelining after the Siege of Yulai it made sense to move the hub. CCP didn’t want to do it so the playerbase did it for them. And define slave labour in a game where you can pretty much AFK for most of it if you wanted to? ---
**Author:** ![Lonesol](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lonesol/32/233524_2.png) [@Lonesol](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Lonesol)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2020, 3:44pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/i-feel-bad-for-the-people-who-have-to-train-for-90-days/274112/153 "2020-10-17T15:44:20Z")
Are you saying you bot this game? Bettwr watch out for the ban hammers. Slave labor is the people i see mining for God knows how long to make 1 cent. ---
**Author:** ![Gaius\_Mileghere](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gaius_mileghere/32/258417_2.png) [@Gaius\_Mileghere](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gaius_Mileghere)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2020, 3:45pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/i-feel-bad-for-the-people-who-have-to-train-for-90-days/274112/154 "2020-10-17T15:45:01Z")
I did not say that and I specifically deny botting. > [@Lonesol](#): > > Slave labor is the people i see mining for God knows how long to make 1 cent. Nobody’s forcing them to mine. If they wanted they could just buy the stuff on market. But EVE from the off has been built by players for players - quite literally. Someone has to have mined for that module at some point. ---
**Author:** ![Lonesol](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lonesol/32/233524_2.png) [@Lonesol](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Lonesol)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2020, 3:46pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/i-feel-bad-for-the-people-who-have-to-train-for-90-days/274112/155 "2020-10-17T15:46:19Z")
And corporations from what I see are even worse lol they actually force people to mine for them. Either way no one likes mining. ---
**Author:** ![Gaius\_Mileghere](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gaius_mileghere/32/258417_2.png) [@Gaius\_Mileghere](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gaius_Mileghere)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2020, 3:47pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/i-feel-bad-for-the-people-who-have-to-train-for-90-days/274112/156 "2020-10-17T15:47:33Z")
I like it, it’s relaxing. I PVP for the adrenaline rush. ---
**Author:** ![Lonesol](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lonesol/32/233524_2.png) [@Lonesol](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Lonesol)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2020, 3:55pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/i-feel-bad-for-the-people-who-have-to-train-for-90-days/274112/157 "2020-10-17T15:55:38Z")
Interesting ,pvp in this doesn’t get very interesting. Its literally mostly people killing people who don’t even fight back. So I still conclude than the people in this game are psychopaths haha, you just said u get your jolly off by killing people who can’t fight back. You don’t get it from killing npc that can’t fight back cause they are npcs, you only get it from killing people who don’t want to pvp. I’m sure there is some limited pvp in this where both sides wanted to pvp, but I never see it. All I see is people killing miners and haulers cause they are psychopaths. In worm hole and low sec its just people killing u for no reason at all, instantly like they are mindless npcs and again psychopaths. So for the .1 percent of those big corporation battles then I’ll give u its pvp. Either way its stupid to me, you grind or pay to fight people 99 percent of the time who don’t want to pvp. Then most fights are won by just having more people lol the whole thing is stupid. I enjoy fair matched pvp, like heroes of the storm. Which is why I dont randomly attack people in this game like a mindless npc, or psychopath. If they just made the icons all look the same, I honestly couldn’t tell players from npcs lol. ---
**Author:** ![Gaius\_Mileghere](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gaius_mileghere/32/258417_2.png) [@Gaius\_Mileghere](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gaius_Mileghere)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2020, 4:00pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/i-feel-bad-for-the-people-who-have-to-train-for-90-days/274112/158 "2020-10-17T16:00:58Z")
> [@Lonesol](#): > > you just said No, I didn’t. Read what I said. > [@Lonesol](#): > > All I see is people killing miners and haulers I am not one of those. check my killboard. > [@Lonesol](#): > > In worm hole and low sec its just people killing u for no reason That is the nature of wormholes. > [@Lonesol](#): > > I enjoy fair matched pvp So go do something else, like handline marlin fishing. EVE, like life, isn’t fair. We are creatures of competition. If it wasn’t for law enforcement I’m pretty sure we’d be seeing a lot more murder. As it was not even two thousand years ago when all you had to do to earn a knife in your ribs was look at a Centurion funny. ---
**Author:** ![tutucox\_Khamsi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tutucox_khamsi/32/430743_2.png) [@tutucox\_Khamsi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/tutucox_Khamsi)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2020, 4:08pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/i-feel-bad-for-the-people-who-have-to-train-for-90-days/274112/159 "2020-10-17T16:08:42Z")
> [@Lonesol](#): > > I enjoy fair matched pvp ![talking_■■■■](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/4/b/4b285b0d7d67b71482220f575ebbdf8040f21afe.jpeg) > [@Lonesol](#): > > so that is never going to be fun to me. i think is time for you to go ![v0NVzOh](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/a/1/a1bfd3d888900dbde13ec2f34e3885cffec105ee.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![Xeux](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xeux/32/428022_2.png) [@Xeux](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xeux)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2020, 4:10pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/i-feel-bad-for-the-people-who-have-to-train-for-90-days/274112/160 "2020-10-17T16:10:03Z")
So we know this guy spent a bunch of cash on Eve. The relevant question now is whether he had to sneak his mama’s credit card to do it. ---
**Author:** ![Solstice\_Projekt](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/solstice_projekt/32/503293_2.png) [@Solstice\_Projekt](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Solstice_Projekt)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2020, 4:18pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/i-feel-bad-for-the-people-who-have-to-train-for-90-days/274112/161 "2020-10-17T16:18:06Z")
> [@Gaius\_Mileghere](#): > > Read what I said. I really like this one … 🤪 > [@Lonesol](#): > > All I see is people killing miners and haulers cause they are psychopaths. … and I really enjoy knowing what this line tells us about you. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/i-feel-bad-for-the-people-who-have-to-train-for-90-days/274112.md?page=7) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/i-feel-bad-for-the-people-who-have-to-train-for-90-days/274112.md?page=9)