# I gave EVE a try --cannot recommend to new players **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [August 12, 2020, 8:35am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/i-gave-eve-a-try-cannot-recommend-to-new-players/259996 "2020-08-12T08:35:46Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 24
**Author:** ![Avatar\_Sky-on](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/avatar_sky-on/32/244417_2.png) [@Avatar\_Sky-on](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Avatar_Sky-on)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2020, 10:14pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/i-gave-eve-a-try-cannot-recommend-to-new-players/259996/474 "2020-11-07T22:14:30Z")
Xeux, “talking down” hmm, would you care to show an example? ---
**Author:** ![Xeux](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xeux/32/428022_2.png) [@Xeux](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xeux)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2020, 10:15pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/i-gave-eve-a-try-cannot-recommend-to-new-players/259996/475 "2020-11-07T22:15:46Z")
You have a pedantic, overly-complex argument. The scenario you have presented is considered rookie griefing and CCP has declared it against the rules. There is no need to fill pages and pages of the internet with arguments. Just report it - it isn’t supposed to happen. ---
**Author:** ![Solstice\_Projekt](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/solstice_projekt/32/503293_2.png) [@Solstice\_Projekt](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Solstice_Projekt)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2020, 10:16pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/i-gave-eve-a-try-cannot-recommend-to-new-players/259996/476 "2020-11-07T22:16:50Z")
> [@Avatar\_Sky-on](#): > > I don’t see how pointing out that “making a major NPC Warzone, and having free for all ganking in a newbie tutorial area may not be the best decision to try and encourage retention” is such a hard concept to grasp… It isn’t a hard concept. You’re just wrong. vOv ---
**Author:** ![Avatar\_Sky-on](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/avatar_sky-on/32/244417_2.png) [@Avatar\_Sky-on](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Avatar_Sky-on)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2020, 10:17pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/i-gave-eve-a-try-cannot-recommend-to-new-players/259996/477 "2020-11-07T22:17:38Z")
Xeux, so I’m just posting ad infinitum here all by myself, and not responding to others? someone says something I disagree with, and I point out -why- I disagree, the best come back you seem to be able to field is Ad Hominem… ---
**Author:** ![Avatar\_Sky-on](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/avatar_sky-on/32/244417_2.png) [@Avatar\_Sky-on](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Avatar_Sky-on)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2020, 10:18pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/i-gave-eve-a-try-cannot-recommend-to-new-players/259996/478 "2020-11-07T22:18:35Z")
Solstice, so, how much are you willing to be that “I am wrong”? ---
**Author:** ![Xeux](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xeux/32/428022_2.png) [@Xeux](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xeux)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2020, 10:19pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/i-gave-eve-a-try-cannot-recommend-to-new-players/259996/479 "2020-11-07T22:19:04Z")
> [@Avatar\_Sky-on](#): > > the best come back you seem to be able to field is Ad Hominem… Here is the example you wanted of talking down to people. ---
**Author:** ![Solstice\_Projekt](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/solstice_projekt/32/503293_2.png) [@Solstice\_Projekt](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Solstice_Projekt)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2020, 10:22pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/i-gave-eve-a-try-cannot-recommend-to-new-players/259996/480 "2020-11-07T22:22:11Z")
Narcissism. > [@Avatar\_Sky-on](#): > > so, how much are you willing to be that “I am wrong”? lol but mate, here’s the thing: I don’t give a ■■■■! 😃 _You_ got ganked … … and only _you_ really care about that! This is a _game_ and the rules are clear. It is also clear as ■■■■ that you _are_ taking this personally. You _are_ a narcissist. You also have issues with _power_, specifically _power over others_. You _don’t_ seem to like getting ganked … … as if you didn’t like someone having _power over you_. This is all just you … … and your lack of emotional self-awareness beyond what you can keep under tight control. Whatever issues you’re having, _this game_ will NOT make you happy! ---
**Author:** ![Avatar\_Sky-on](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/avatar_sky-on/32/244417_2.png) [@Avatar\_Sky-on](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Avatar_Sky-on)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2020, 10:23pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/i-gave-eve-a-try-cannot-recommend-to-new-players/259996/481 "2020-11-07T22:23:13Z")
Oh, how is that talking down?? Or was your insult supposed to serve as a valid point? ---
**Author:** ![Xeux](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xeux/32/428022_2.png) [@Xeux](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xeux)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2020, 10:24pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/i-gave-eve-a-try-cannot-recommend-to-new-players/259996/482 "2020-11-07T22:24:20Z")
Which insult? I was just describing your cloudy rhetoric - it wasn’t personal. ---
**Author:** ![Avatar\_Sky-on](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/avatar_sky-on/32/244417_2.png) [@Avatar\_Sky-on](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Avatar_Sky-on)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2020, 10:25pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/i-gave-eve-a-try-cannot-recommend-to-new-players/259996/483 "2020-11-07T22:25:26Z")
> [@The like and get likes thread II](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-like-and-get-likes-thread-ii/70342/7350): > > Sooo, CCP didn’t blocked newbie and career agent systems from being targetted by triglavian invasions, and thus now there’s triglavian killing nobos in a Gallente career agent system. Guess it’s setting well with new players, specially since triglavians are invisible at the overview unless the player turns them on. I would be worried if EVE still had a future, but in this time and date this is just par for the course. November 2021 is 2 years away and things will get a lot worse until/before EV… > [@How to remove Triglavian invasion from system](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-remove-triglavian-invasion-from-system/259439/23): > > this game is clearly broken and unplayable as a new player I joined today and tried to do the career agent mission that had asked to get a tracking pc tried to get it for cheap and finish the mission but the game only gives you a pop up saying you may be shot by them it doesn’t clearly tell you that as a new player you will be killed in one hit and have no chance of doing what you wanted to do > [@EVE Online: Invasion - General Feedback](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-online-invasion-general-feedback/162472/848): > > @CCP_Falcon Why are rookie systems being invaded by Triglavians? They cannot run the tutorial nor career agents because of it and therefore being told to wait a few days until it passes. If I were new to a game and told I can’t play for a few days when really, the design is so flawed, I’d completely give it a miss. > [@Career Agents sending rookies into Invaded systems](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/career-agents-sending-rookies-into-invaded-systems/265436/24): > > Career Agents are there 24/7 sitting out there in their ships labeled with kind of double white star on the side. They are watching as the Invasion unfolds just hoping to have the company of new Capsuleers. BTW Triglavian Collective Leader “Zorya Triglav” is scary as hell. Solstice, so it’s ‘just me’ hmm? maybe your opinion is ‘just you’ ---
**Author:** ![Xeux](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xeux/32/428022_2.png) [@Xeux](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xeux)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2020, 10:26pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/i-gave-eve-a-try-cannot-recommend-to-new-players/259996/484 "2020-11-07T22:26:07Z")
LOL. Are we _really_ supposed to believe this guy just started playing Eve? ---
**Author:** ![Solstice\_Projekt](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/solstice_projekt/32/503293_2.png) [@Solstice\_Projekt](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Solstice_Projekt)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2020, 10:28pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/i-gave-eve-a-try-cannot-recommend-to-new-players/259996/485 "2020-11-07T22:28:01Z")
Did CCP address it? If yes, well, then why are you complaining? If no, well, then why are you assuming you know better than them? ---
**Author:** ![Avatar\_Sky-on](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/avatar_sky-on/32/244417_2.png) [@Avatar\_Sky-on](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Avatar_Sky-on)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2020, 10:28pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/i-gave-eve-a-try-cannot-recommend-to-new-players/259996/486 "2020-11-07T22:28:36Z")
“He reminds me of a college professor or something - talking down to everybody - expecting people to listen to his dumb ideas.” so, show how that is logic, and not an attack against a person? ---
**Author:** ![Solstice\_Projekt](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/solstice_projekt/32/503293_2.png) [@Solstice\_Projekt](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Solstice_Projekt)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2020, 10:28pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/i-gave-eve-a-try-cannot-recommend-to-new-players/259996/487 "2020-11-07T22:28:40Z")
Yeah. He thinks he’s smarter than us and you’re ruining it. ☹ ---
**Author:** ![Xeux](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xeux/32/428022_2.png) [@Xeux](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xeux)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2020, 10:29pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/i-gave-eve-a-try-cannot-recommend-to-new-players/259996/488 "2020-11-07T22:29:41Z")
Oh, I didn’t realize he could see my response to your question. ---
**Author:** ![Avatar\_Sky-on](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/avatar_sky-on/32/244417_2.png) [@Avatar\_Sky-on](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Avatar_Sky-on)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2020, 10:30pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/i-gave-eve-a-try-cannot-recommend-to-new-players/259996/489 "2020-11-07T22:30:19Z")
Oh, so it is supposed to make you so much better by being able to say stuff behind folks backs? ---
**Author:** ![Solstice\_Projekt](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/solstice_projekt/32/503293_2.png) [@Solstice\_Projekt](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Solstice_Projekt)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2020, 10:31pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/i-gave-eve-a-try-cannot-recommend-to-new-players/259996/490 "2020-11-07T22:31:14Z")
Wow, I almost spat on my display for this one … ---
**Author:** ![Solstice\_Projekt](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/solstice_projekt/32/503293_2.png) [@Solstice\_Projekt](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Solstice_Projekt)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2020, 10:39pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/i-gave-eve-a-try-cannot-recommend-to-new-players/259996/491 "2020-11-07T22:39:06Z")
235 new accounts created in the last hour. I’m not seeing the forum being swamped with complaints about this … “issue”. Hey, are you giving up already? ☹ ---
**Author:** ![Avatar\_Sky-on](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/avatar_sky-on/32/244417_2.png) [@Avatar\_Sky-on](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Avatar_Sky-on)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2020, 10:42pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/i-gave-eve-a-try-cannot-recommend-to-new-players/259996/492 "2020-11-07T22:42:49Z")
Nah, you were just 6 minutes in typing your next reply want to try real masochism, look at Quora ---
**Author:** ![Solstice\_Projekt](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/solstice_projekt/32/503293_2.png) [@Solstice\_Projekt](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Solstice_Projekt)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2020, 10:48pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/i-gave-eve-a-try-cannot-recommend-to-new-players/259996/493 "2020-11-07T22:48:18Z")
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