# I gave EVE a try --cannot recommend to new players **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [August 12, 2020, 8:35am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/i-gave-eve-a-try-cannot-recommend-to-new-players/259996 "2020-08-12T08:35:46Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Aaaarrgg](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aaaarrgg/32/395089_2.png) [@Aaaarrgg](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aaaarrgg)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2020, 3:22pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/i-gave-eve-a-try-cannot-recommend-to-new-players/259996/42 "2020-08-12T15:22:09Z")
Does aura still laugh at you when you die as a newbie ? "Mwahahaha "You clumsy Pilot! This is Hilarious! Our escape pod was destroyed and we died, well actually YOU died and I miraculously escaped [https://eve-files.com/media/corp/sarmatiko/wehavebeenpodded.mp3](https://eve-files.com/media/corp/sarmatiko/wehavebeenpodded.mp3) ---
**Author:** ![Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jonah_gravenstein/32/386819_2.png) [@Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jonah_Gravenstein)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2020, 3:23pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/i-gave-eve-a-try-cannot-recommend-to-new-players/259996/43 "2020-08-12T15:23:19Z")
Sadly no. Sarcastic Aura is a thing of the past, they even changed the voice for some of it. ---
**Author:** ![tutucox\_Khamsi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tutucox_khamsi/32/430743_2.png) [@tutucox\_Khamsi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/tutucox_Khamsi)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2020, 3:42pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/i-gave-eve-a-try-cannot-recommend-to-new-players/259996/44 "2020-08-12T15:42:48Z")
no one cares , eve is not for everybody , some new players may like ---
**Author:** ![Haulie\_Berry](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/haulie_berry/32/388021_2.png) [@Haulie\_Berry](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Haulie_Berry)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2020, 3:55pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/i-gave-eve-a-try-cannot-recommend-to-new-players/259996/45 "2020-08-12T15:55:14Z")
If you just changed “new players” to “slow learners” you’d be spot on. ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2020, 4:06pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/i-gave-eve-a-try-cannot-recommend-to-new-players/259996/46 "2020-08-12T16:06:05Z")
I was going to say change “new” to “casual” and it would actually be a great, objective viewpoint. There **are** new players who aren’t looking for a casual experience. ---
**Author:** ![Ira\_Infernus](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ira_infernus/32/389782_2.png) [@Ira\_Infernus](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ira_Infernus)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2020, 4:11pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/i-gave-eve-a-try-cannot-recommend-to-new-players/259996/47 "2020-08-12T16:11:43Z")
Stop giving CCP ideas ---
**Author:** ![Annisir\_Kaugan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/annisir_kaugan/32/388372_2.png) [@Annisir\_Kaugan](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Annisir_Kaugan)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2020, 4:12pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/i-gave-eve-a-try-cannot-recommend-to-new-players/259996/48 "2020-08-12T16:12:20Z")
Its an excellent game but it isn’t for everyone. The learning curve can be steep especially if you have come from a conventional game. ---
**Author:** ![I\_amAlone](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/i_amalone/32/245746_2.png) [@I\_amAlone](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/I_amAlone)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2020, 4:15pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/i-gave-eve-a-try-cannot-recommend-to-new-players/259996/49 "2020-08-12T16:15:00Z")
Im new to the game almost 3 months now I like it very much, every day is not same, for exmple today I was daydreaming how much isk I was going to make today and after I enter a wormhole and on the other side 2 guys from a famous pirate corp 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣, in a instant I had a change in plans 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣. ---
**Author:** ![J\_Poll](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/j_poll/32/228940_2.png) [@J\_Poll](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/J_Poll)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2020, 4:19pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/i-gave-eve-a-try-cannot-recommend-to-new-players/259996/50 "2020-08-12T16:19:18Z")
> [@Destiny\_Corrupted](#): > > was going to say change “new” to “ignorant and hardheaded” and it would actually be a great, objective viewpoint. FIFY You can definitely play EVE casual, if you then also match your goals and playstyle to it ---
**Author:** ![Scoots\_Choco](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/scoots_choco/32/262262_2.png) [@Scoots\_Choco](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Scoots_Choco)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2020, 4:26pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/i-gave-eve-a-try-cannot-recommend-to-new-players/259996/51 "2020-08-12T16:26:45Z")
I mean… not everyone is cut out for EVE Online. Glad you figured you can’t handle it sooner than later. ---
**Author:** ![Gerard\_Amatin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gerard_amatin/32/481361_2.png) [@Gerard\_Amatin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gerard_Amatin)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2020, 4:33pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/i-gave-eve-a-try-cannot-recommend-to-new-players/259996/52 "2020-08-12T16:33:45Z")
> [@Richard\_Fellinger](#): > > In short any potential gamer looking for a casual experience should look elsewhere. Way too much commitment/involvement or grief from veteran players. This game should be a hard pass for those without a significant time commitment to it. This entirely depends on what kind of ‘casual experience’ you’re looking for. Casually logging in maximum a couple of hours a week, but you’re willing to put some effort in learning the game mechanics? EVE may be for you. Casually playing in the sense that you cannot be bothered to read **BIG WARNING SIGNS** and decide to risk your ship anyway in such a situation while you cannot handle the loss of that ship? EVE is definitely not for you. Not that it’s bad to put your ship at risk, but if you willingly put your ship at risk, you shouldn’t come to the forums complaining that you lost your ship and that ‘EVE is not for casual players.’ There are casual players who know how to read, you know. ---
**Author:** ![Haulie\_Berry](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/haulie_berry/32/388021_2.png) [@Haulie\_Berry](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Haulie_Berry)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2020, 4:35pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/i-gave-eve-a-try-cannot-recommend-to-new-players/259996/53 "2020-08-12T16:35:54Z")
> [@Destiny\_Corrupted](#): > > I was going to say change “new” to “casual” and it would actually be a great, objective viewpoint. > > There **are** new players who aren’t looking for a casual experience. I don’t think casual is undoable, provided you have casual expectations to go with your casual playstyle. If you want to play a few hours a week but also want to fly faction titans, you’re going to have a bad time. That aside, the OP isn’t really struggling with _casualness,_ so much as incompetence. A knowledgeable player, playing just as “casually” would not be suffering the same issues. He doesn’t really know how to play effectively, yet, and… > [@Richard\_Fellinger](#): > > Eve really tries to much to strongly encourage new casual gamers to join a corporation, …he’s highly averse to the easiest means of _learning_ how to play effectively. He’s basically setting the game on hard mode and then complaining that it’s difficult. It’s a fixable problem, but like most self-inflicted problems, the only person who can fix it is the person causing the problem. ---
**Author:** ![J\_Poll](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/j_poll/32/228940_2.png) [@J\_Poll](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/J_Poll)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2020, 4:42pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/i-gave-eve-a-try-cannot-recommend-to-new-players/259996/54 "2020-08-12T16:42:27Z")
> [@Haulie\_Berry](#): > > It’s a fixable problem, but like most self-inflicted problems, the only person who can fix it is the person causing the problem. Which I doubt will happen As OP blames everybody else who plays EVE and CCP for his mistakes ---
**Author:** ![Haulie\_Berry](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/haulie_berry/32/388021_2.png) [@Haulie\_Berry](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Haulie_Berry)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2020, 4:46pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/i-gave-eve-a-try-cannot-recommend-to-new-players/259996/55 "2020-08-12T16:46:54Z")
Oh, naturally. Self-inflicted problems are _notoriously_ difficult to fix. That whole first step of admitting you’re the problem is a doozy. ---
**Author:** ![Choc\_talar](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/choc_talar/32/359177_2.png) [@Choc\_talar](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Choc_talar)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2020, 4:59pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/i-gave-eve-a-try-cannot-recommend-to-new-players/259996/56 "2020-08-12T16:59:47Z")
As a veteran player I can say that many new players to Eve don’t have a clue as to how hard Eve was years ago. When I first started playing with friends 10 years ago we constantly looked up information, tutorials, how to’s, etc. Yes we got ganked early on, got can flipped, got shot while running missions. None of us ran to the forums to complain, none of us had the attitude that Eve needed to change. Instead we informed ourselves, we learned to play better and play smarter. Never mined close to trade hubs and had multiple systems we would go to for ore. And yes we started out as miners. As many have stated before me in this thread there are plenty of corps and individuals all New Eden who are willing to take new players under their wings and teach them, help them, and guide them. The lazy gamer however does not want this help and guidance, they would rather make broad statements on how they wouldn’t “recommend” Eve to anyone because they were and are too lazy to learn the game. Ages ago when people joined the Eve community they knew it was a hard game. They knew it had a learning curve. They knew that it was a player vs player centered community. We knew, understood, and accepted that any time we undocked we were at risk and we gladly and willingly accepted this fact as what made Eve unique and fun. Back then the amount of posts like this one were few in number while today I can’t troll through the forums without seeing a post just like this one daily. The modern gaming community has become lazy and fickle, wanting everything handed to them on a silver platter which is quite sad honestly as it speaks volumes about us as a human society. yet the people I have met who have stuck with Eve through the years and become friends are some of the most intelligent gamers I know because they have stuck it out, learned, and adapted to changes time and time again. I hope Eve never changes from this mentality completely because the complexity of the game is precisely what makes it attractive to the more mature gamer who wants to work at something and feel like they have honestly achieved something through their efforts. My hats off to all of you who honestly love Eve for what it is and thrive. For the rest please just quietly go away. ---
**Author:** ![J\_Poll](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/j_poll/32/228940_2.png) [@J\_Poll](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/J_Poll)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2020, 5:35pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/i-gave-eve-a-try-cannot-recommend-to-new-players/259996/57 "2020-08-12T17:35:11Z")
@Choc_talar Good to see another decade player. Although of the last decade I spent 4.5 years in hibernation. EVE is still the most engaging game I have played in my life and no other game ever has come close to it in terms of complexity. And it is that ruthless nature of EVE and its complexity that makes it fun to play, but only if you are willing to put some effort into it and learn from your (and other’s) mistakes ---
**Author:** ![Dravick\_Afterthought](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dravick_afterthought/32/282017_2.png) [@Dravick\_Afterthought](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dravick_Afterthought)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2020, 5:36pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/i-gave-eve-a-try-cannot-recommend-to-new-players/259996/58 "2020-08-12T17:36:23Z")
> [@Richard\_Fellinger](#): > > The issue is the griefing [Griefer](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Griefer) - > [@](#): > > A griefer or bad faith player is a player in a multiplayer video game who deliberately irritates and harasses other players within the game (trolling), using aspects of the game **in unintended ways.** _{my bold}_ As Ganking isn’t an unintended gameplay, it can’t be griefing… ---
**Author:** ![Haulie\_Berry](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/haulie_berry/32/388021_2.png) [@Haulie\_Berry](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Haulie_Berry)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2020, 6:14pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/i-gave-eve-a-try-cannot-recommend-to-new-players/259996/59 "2020-08-12T18:14:20Z")
> [@Chaxis](#): > > 1.Insure your ship. > 2.Never travel with cargo on your ship if you can. > 3.The tutorial is very basic and generally not helpful,you spend a lot of time clicking and trying to understand whats happening,e.g trying to train your char. 1. Generally, this is good advice. So long as the ship dies, not insuring is just leaving money on the table. Unless your ship is going to live to see the 90 day insurance expiry (and if your subcap combat ships are doing this, you need to find your sense of adventure my dude), it will always be a net gain vs dying uninsured, even on ships that insure poorly. I don’t typically insure ships when I’m confident they will live past the expiry. 2. This is goodish, if somewhat _imprecise_ advice. How much cargo you can safely carry is contingent on a lot of factors (ship selection/fitting, cargo worth, ability to leverage tools/tricks/skills to maintain your safety, etc.). Certainly don’t undock a bestower with your entire aggregate net worth in the hold. 3. I can’t disagree with this, although it’s miles better than it was when many of us started (Like @Jonah_Gravenstein said - Here’s a ship. You got it under control from here, right? Cya!). So, you were doing pretty well up until here, but then you went off the reservation, unfortunately. > [@Chaxis](#): > > 4.This game is well established with long term bottomfeeders/pondlife who will go out of there way to ruin your efforts and this is not said out of malice, its just fact in the PvP enviroment. This reveals something of an attitude problem on your part. You even qualified it in a way that indicates some basic understanding of this. It is also interesting to me when someone tries to denigrate players who have bested them as being somehow _lesser_. You’re the intelligent, sophisticated, _evolved_ individual, whereas they are stupid, brutish oafs. The obvious difficulty, of course, is that you then have to rationalize to yourself why you, in your superiority, are powerless to defeat a mere _bottomfeeder_. If they’re a bottom_feeder_, and they’re feeding on you, surely you must be… the bottom? > [@Chaxis](#): > > 5.Never spend real money on this game.When you get ganked by players,(destroyed and loot your ship) which will happen,in a round about way you are just being mugged plain and simple. This is bupkus. Spend what you want. Eve has a fairly aged, established adult player base, and most players should be capable of applying their own discretion re: how they blow their disposable income. The money you put into it should be thought of as an expenditure, and not an investment that should be expected to yield a return in any form other than entertainment. You’re not being “mugged” any more than you would be losing at poker night. You put the money on the table, that comes with a risk of loss. > [@Chaxis](#): > > 6.The map is huge and you will want to explore unfortunately this where the game falls down.All the stargates in 0.0 or less have campers 24/7 so your stuck in the kindergarden areas. This is just factually incorrect. The _profound_ majority of nullsec gates are not camped at any given time. Hell, most nullsec systems are entirely _vacant_ at any given time. Nullsec gatecamps tend to be found at gates that are strategically obvious places to camp if you think about it for even a _little_ bit, and with a little bit of knowledge and preparation, they also tend to be easy to bypass or breach. Fortunately, this leads right into: > [@Chaxis](#): > > Some will prob say join a Corp(Guild) but I doubt the players already in a Corp will want to babysit a new player travelling around and why should you join a Corp anyway. They’re saying that because it’s the fastest, easiest way to learn the ropes of basic Eve survival. Proper ship fitting, slipping gatecamps, etc. There are multiple outfits that are specifically geared toward new players, and even apart from those, there’s no shortage of established corps that will care FAR more about your _attitude_ than your experience. The answer to “why should you join a corp anyway” is, “Because doing so alleviates a lot of the problems you’re struggling with, and puts otherwise impossible goals within reach.” ---
**Author:** ![Bumblefck](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/bumblefck/32/217299_2.png) [@Bumblefck](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Bumblefck)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2020, 6:37pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/i-gave-eve-a-try-cannot-recommend-to-new-players/259996/60 "2020-08-12T18:37:09Z")
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**Author:** ![Alistair\_Atreides](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/alistair_atreides/32/267403_2.png) [@Alistair\_Atreides](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Alistair_Atreides)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2020, 6:46pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/i-gave-eve-a-try-cannot-recommend-to-new-players/259996/61 "2020-08-12T18:46:00Z")
We can always take your advice and go the way of WOW retail only to learn people hate it and go back to WOW classic after 15 years of suck [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/i-gave-eve-a-try-cannot-recommend-to-new-players/259996.md?page=2) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/i-gave-eve-a-try-cannot-recommend-to-new-players/259996.md?page=4)