# I gave EVE a try --cannot recommend to new players **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [August 12, 2020, 8:35am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/i-gave-eve-a-try-cannot-recommend-to-new-players/259996 "2020-08-12T08:35:46Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![Solonius\_Rex](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/solonius_rex/32/388172_2.png) [@Solonius\_Rex](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Solonius_Rex)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2020, 2:24pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/i-gave-eve-a-try-cannot-recommend-to-new-players/259996/82 "2020-08-13T14:24:48Z")
> [@Richard\_Fellinger](#): > > In short any potential gamer looking for a casual experience should look elsewhere. Way too much commitment/involvement or grief from veteran players. This game should be a hard pass for those without a significant time commitment to it. No. Eve requires players with brains. Those without brains, continuously lose ships in the same system doing the same activity by the same people, over and over and over… and over again, and have a shitty experience. Kinda like you. > **[Covetor | Richard Fellinger | Killmail](https://zkillboard.com/kill/86304206/)** > > Richard Fellinger (Science and Trade Institute) lost their Covetor in Alikara (The Citadel). Final Blow by Demolition Pandit (Big Willies PVP Madness) flying in a Catalyst. Total Value: 36,126,242.67 ISK > **[Covetor | Richard Fellinger | Killmail](https://zkillboard.com/kill/86324478/)** > > Richard Fellinger (Science and Trade Institute) lost their Covetor in Alikara (The Citadel). Final Blow by Demolition Pandit (Big Willies PVP Madness) flying in a Catalyst. Total Value: 40,290,292.84 ISK > **[Covetor | Richard Fellinger | Killmail](https://zkillboard.com/kill/86326344/)** > > Richard Fellinger (Science and Trade Institute) lost their Covetor in Alikara (The Citadel). Final Blow by Shilliam Watner (Axis of Evil Emporium Imperium) flying in a Catalyst. Total Value: 35,033,437.85 ISK > **[Covetor | Richard Fellinger | Killmail](https://zkillboard.com/kill/86326946/)** > > Richard Fellinger (Science and Trade Institute) lost their Covetor in Alikara (The Citadel). Final Blow by Shilliam Watner (Axis of Evil Emporium Imperium) flying in a Catalyst. Total Value: 35,052,311.59 ISK You were even caught in the same asteroid belt? I mean, wtf? Even a monkey learns not to grab a porcupine the first time, let alone the second. How you went in 4 times is completely beyond my comprehension. ---
**Author:** ![Daichi\_Yamato](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/daichi_yamato/32/252995_2.png) [@Daichi\_Yamato](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Daichi_Yamato)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2020, 2:57pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/i-gave-eve-a-try-cannot-recommend-to-new-players/259996/83 "2020-08-13T14:57:09Z")
@Destiny_Corrupted Just when you say we haven’t had a good whine thread in a while. ---
**Author:** ![Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jonah_gravenstein/32/386819_2.png) [@Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jonah_Gravenstein)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2020, 3:08pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/i-gave-eve-a-try-cannot-recommend-to-new-players/259996/84 "2020-08-13T15:08:23Z")
4 Covetors and 2 pods in 8 hours? That’s a wetware interface problem. @Richard_Fellinger, your problems with Eve are of your own making. ---
**Author:** ![liab\_twm\_hawj](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/liab_twm_hawj/32/223615_2.png) [@liab\_twm\_hawj](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/liab_twm_hawj)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2020, 4:47pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/i-gave-eve-a-try-cannot-recommend-to-new-players/259996/85 "2020-08-13T16:47:51Z")
WOW! Always love reading these. The reactions from other players are entertaining. Phrases like “f\_\_k off” and “good riddance” infer that complaints about EVE are to be discouraged. Fortunately these are not the sentiments of the games community in general. Been playing for a while (not with this alt however) and can understand both sides. Having been one of those players who cursed out my assailants in chat “WTF, you blew up my barge” kind of thing I had to “grow up” somewhat. To quote so many “It is what it is”. New Eden is pretty much the opposite of what the name suggests. Living Hell would better describe the game. Mining especially can be the most frustrating of all occupations. Your main aim is to make money. Losing relatively expensive (for you) barges cuts into you profits. To earn more ISK is why you’re in business. Simple, somewhat boring game play. PVP players who are not involved in Corp wars and such tend to be opportunists. It seems they wander about searching out easy prey. Nothing shameful. That’s just what predators do. But hunters in EVE rarely work solo. In my experience they tend to travel in packs. The first assault may be a single vessel, but many times that’s a scout. The rest of the group is right behind, using overwhelming force to finish the deed. I do question this tactic of sending a dozen ships to blast a single barge. It assures victory, but leaves one with the impression of a pack of psychopathic hyenas. One begins to question the mental stability of such players. “Damn people are probably serial killers in real life”. We all know (hope) that isn’t true. For all we know the person(s) could be Mother Theresa. Perhaps they can remain saintly by satisfying their dark side playing EVE. Almost always, your barges warp is scrambled and you are absolutely helpless. At that point your opponent can take their time killing you, savoring every last moment of your demise. There really is no need for the other six ships, except for the party atmosphere it provides. While I have seen miners, including myself, bitch at the murderous pirates, I have also noticed that some PVP players get upset if you survive. I’ve been had occasions where I was cursed out because someone’s scramblers weren’t enough to overcome my stabilizers. I have a habit of equipping ships with as many as they can handle. This is especially true of transports carrying ore to market. If they can’t get to Jita it doesn’t matter how much ore you mine. You’re losing money in ore and spacecraft. I think of it as a form of “tank” to protect my profits. The opposition views it as unfair, not regarding that my vessel without them is no match for theirs. As such I would have a snowball’s chance in hell getting past them. Another scenario is cloaking you ship. Not Asteros and such, but Velators, Miasmos or Mammoths. The other player gets pissed off because they know you are there, but can’t get you. It’s actually quite fun. It’s akin to submarine warfare. Sneaking past gate camps is highly rewarding. Mining in low sec can be easy, if you adopt the correct tactics. “Discretion is the better part of valor” as they say. Hide, run like hell, avoid confrontation with hostiles. The excitement is in outwitting your enemies. If they get frustrated that just adds to the fun. Finally, I do mine standard ores in hi sec, but only because I found the earnings (especially combined with reduced losses) were the same as mining ice in more dangerous areas. At times the value of the ice is so high that one would be crazy not to take the risk. In hi sec, usually close to Jita, I use Ventures to keep expenditures low. I use larger ships for hauling stockpiled ore to market. The biggest issue with hi sec mining is staying awake. It gets very boring very quick. Having to work at an Alpha level is awful, especially since I used to have Omega accounts. Don’t know how folks can play Alpha for any length of time. For me it’s too much like facing EVE in a rookie ship. The higher Omega classification does make the game far more interesting. Blasting things to bits with Trivalgian cruisers (or larger) can really make a lousy day a lot brighter. I know I haven’t really said much of consequence. Blame it on the spare time I have being retired during a plague 🙂 Fly safe. ---
**Author:** ![Tintallei\_Sharan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tintallei_sharan/32/373000_2.png) [@Tintallei\_Sharan](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Tintallei_Sharan)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2020, 5:02pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/i-gave-eve-a-try-cannot-recommend-to-new-players/259996/86 "2020-08-13T17:02:51Z")
> [@Richard\_Fellinger](#): > > Eve really tries to much to strongly encourage new casual gamers to join a corporation As every MMO should do IMO. But I guess this is just subjective so, okay, why not. > [@Richard\_Fellinger](#): > > Eve also applies their rules to all players equally including criminals. Which is quite sad to me if you’re an in game criminal no you shouldn’t expect to get the same sort of courteousness as a regular player. I’m not sure this sentence makes any sense as it is. The fact that you can even know that they are criminals mean the rules did not apply equally to every players. Being considered criminal is a direct consequence of those rules. So, what are you trying to say exactly? > [@Richard\_Fellinger](#): > > In short any potential gamer looking for a casual experience should look elsewhere. I’m sorry but this is not related to the tittle of your thread. You were supposed to talk about “New players”, not “Casual players”. Those are two different things. You can be both, but you can also not be both. > [@Richard\_Fellinger](#): > > This game should be a hard pass for those without a significant time commitment to it. Yes, probably. But once again, this has nothing to do with being new or not. ---
**Author:** ![tutucox\_Khamsi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tutucox_khamsi/32/430743_2.png) [@tutucox\_Khamsi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/tutucox_Khamsi)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2020, 5:18pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/i-gave-eve-a-try-cannot-recommend-to-new-players/259996/87 "2020-08-13T17:18:00Z")
omg bro i got a literature degree after that post jk too long didn’t read LOL ---
**Author:** ![Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jonah_gravenstein/32/386819_2.png) [@Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jonah_Gravenstein)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2020, 5:21pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/i-gave-eve-a-try-cannot-recommend-to-new-players/259996/88 "2020-08-13T17:21:31Z")
> [@liab\_twm\_hawj](#): > > New Eden is pretty much the opposite of what the name suggests. Living Hell would better describe the game. Mining especially can be the most frustrating of all occupations. Your main aim is to make money. Losing relatively expensive (for you) barges cuts into you profits. To earn more ISK is why you’re in business. Simple, somewhat boring game play. The trick is not to lose your barge, the risk of doing so increases greatly when people lock up some rocks and then alt tab to something else or go afk. > It seems they wander about searching out easy prey. Nothing shameful. That’s just what predators do. But hunters in EVE rarely work solo. In my experience they tend to travel in packs. Hunters in nature also work in packs, and people by nature are pack/community orientated. > Almost always, your barges warp is scrambled and you are absolutely helpless. At that point your opponent can take their time killing you, savoring every last moment of your demise. There really is no need for the other six ships, except for the party atmosphere it provides. If you’re in hisec the other ships are most definitely needed because gankers are working against the clock, at most they have 25 seconds to kill you before Concord render them dead in space. > I’ve been had occasions where I was cursed out because someone’s scramblers weren’t enough to overcome my stabilizers. I have a habit of equipping ships with as many as they can handle. This is heresy, there are much better ways to ensure your cargo reachs its destination, I bet you use autopilot too. ---
**Author:** ![tutucox\_Khamsi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tutucox_khamsi/32/430743_2.png) [@tutucox\_Khamsi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/tutucox_Khamsi)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2020, 5:23pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/i-gave-eve-a-try-cannot-recommend-to-new-players/259996/89 "2020-08-13T17:23:23Z")
imo losing 10 barges in a day is nothing to be ashamed au contraire, its something to be proud , a sign of resilience bitch about it… thats not cool ---
**Author:** ![Xuxe\_Xu](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xuxe_xu/32/464660_2.png) [@Xuxe\_Xu](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xuxe_Xu)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2020, 5:54pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/i-gave-eve-a-try-cannot-recommend-to-new-players/259996/90 "2020-08-13T17:54:03Z")
> [@liab\_twm\_hawj](#): > > New Eden is pretty much the opposite of what the name suggests. Living Hell would better describe the game. LIVING. HELL!!! [![](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/5/8/58f2232eb6bbfbdd91f1a5ede526abbe48cceca1.gif "source: imgur.com")](https://imgur.com/UMcEmhC) [![](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/9/d/9d8fd34be7028fc73642cee1798fade36aaefe11.jpeg "source: imgur.com")](https://imgur.com/ePkOv9A) [![](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/f/d/fda26eb8ba386f24fe195026428c68850b4c365a.gif "source: imgur.com")](https://imgur.com/oxnuito) [![](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/1/8/18590108c9bbd58ae6046df91a51d6ebccf1e3fd.gif "source: imgur.com")](https://imgur.com/voTU7Xh) > [@liab\_twm\_hawj](#): > > leaves one with the impression of a pack of psychopathic hyenas [![](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/c/4/c4b0e0d58c1ce9c44d77d029cb69529f1b819b67.gif "source: imgur.com")](https://imgur.com/MgOVGR8) Wouldn’t be a proper whingeragequitIhatethisgameitunfairaaagh thread without some confused White Knighting™. ---
**Author:** ![tutucox\_Khamsi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tutucox_khamsi/32/430743_2.png) [@tutucox\_Khamsi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/tutucox_Khamsi)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2020, 6:00pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/i-gave-eve-a-try-cannot-recommend-to-new-players/259996/91 "2020-08-13T18:00:36Z")
> [@Xuxe\_Xu](#): > > LIVING. HELL!!! ![a89eda60d42b5ae3e06de49bcd48e7bf](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/0/3/038e205bebfdd187abfcf01055e0b365b51ee85a.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![Xeux](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xeux/32/428022_2.png) [@Xeux](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xeux)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2020, 6:09pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/i-gave-eve-a-try-cannot-recommend-to-new-players/259996/92 "2020-08-13T18:09:23Z")
> [@tutucox\_Khamsi](#): > > imo losing 10 barges in a day is nothing to be ashamed Can barges fit into the FW sites? ---
**Author:** ![tutucox\_Khamsi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tutucox_khamsi/32/430743_2.png) [@tutucox\_Khamsi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/tutucox_Khamsi)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2020, 6:11pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/i-gave-eve-a-try-cannot-recommend-to-new-players/259996/93 "2020-08-13T18:11:03Z")
> [@Xeux](#): > > Can barges fit into the FW sites? no they don’t ☹ ---
**Author:** ![Haulie\_Berry](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/haulie_berry/32/388021_2.png) [@Haulie\_Berry](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Haulie_Berry)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2020, 6:49pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/i-gave-eve-a-try-cannot-recommend-to-new-players/259996/94 "2020-08-13T18:49:02Z")
> [@liab\_twm\_hawj](#): > > Always love reading these. The reactions from other players are entertaining. Phrases like “f\_\_k off” and “good riddance” infer that complaints about EVE are to be discouraged. There are reasoned complaints and grievances, and there is infantile whinging. This is the latter. OP unironically included, amongst his complaints, the fact that the rules of the game - get this - _apply uniformly to all players_. “GRRRR, the rules of the game are consistently applied, even to players I don’t like!” is not really something that implies good-faith posting. It’s the conversational equivalent of bringing a big plate of dog ■■■■ to a potluck and then getting miffed when you’re told you’re not welcome. ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2020, 7:33pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/i-gave-eve-a-try-cannot-recommend-to-new-players/259996/95 "2020-08-13T19:33:50Z")
Still reading through the thread, but here’s my troll reply, for now: Griefing in EVE would be really easy to fix! Criminals should be treated like criminals, instead of royalty. The devs could easily add a “jail” system to the game to encourage proper gameplay instead of encouraging players to act like sociopaths: - Kill one player, your character goes in jail for the rest of the day - Kill two players, your character goes to jail for a week - Kill three players, your character is jailed for a whole month - Kill four players, your character receives a life sentence The timer can gradually reset, just like jump fatigue. And of course this only applies to griefing (like killing someone in high-sec), and not to arenas or null-sec fleet warfare. Maybe low-sec could have a similar system, but with different scaling, e.g. multiply kill values by three. CCP, it’s time to add real consequences for criminal behavior! ---
**Author:** ![Scoots\_Choco](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/scoots_choco/32/262262_2.png) [@Scoots\_Choco](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Scoots_Choco)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2020, 7:37pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/i-gave-eve-a-try-cannot-recommend-to-new-players/259996/96 "2020-08-13T19:37:31Z")
> [@Destiny\_Corrupted](#): > > CCP, it’s time to add real consequences to criminal behavior! More like time to add REAL **LIFE** consequences!! CCP should send a squad of CCP employees to track your real world location and throw you into a real world jail if you kill someone in-game. Besides, we need to stop people from making alts and freely ganking people with impunity! ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2020, 7:43pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/i-gave-eve-a-try-cannot-recommend-to-new-players/259996/97 "2020-08-13T19:43:56Z")
I’m not crazy, and I fully understand that a game is a game, and real life is real life. My proposal is reasonable because it creates in-game consequences for in-game actions. So stop straw manning me, you griefer! ---
**Author:** ![Scoots\_Choco](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/scoots_choco/32/262262_2.png) [@Scoots\_Choco](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Scoots_Choco)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2020, 7:45pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/i-gave-eve-a-try-cannot-recommend-to-new-players/259996/98 "2020-08-13T19:45:32Z")
> [@Destiny\_Corrupted](#): > > I fully understand that a game is a game, and real life is real life. The game is played in real life, ERGO, game = real life. #IWasThere #EVEisReal ---
**Author:** ![tutucox\_Khamsi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tutucox_khamsi/32/430743_2.png) [@tutucox\_Khamsi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/tutucox_Khamsi)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2020, 7:58pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/i-gave-eve-a-try-cannot-recommend-to-new-players/259996/99 "2020-08-13T19:58:33Z")
have you ever picked a indie and robed ice from mining fleet cans ? its awesome, they get sooooo but hurt one day a girl sent me a eve mail saying I’m the worst guy ever , that I’m bad , and don’t have moral values i explain to her that its a game , that irl I’m a good guy , but in the game I’m a cold old vet obsessed with god in a weird way , but thats is just fantasy , etc ,etc she tem sent other mail apologizing , telling she had some problems with her mom, and them we had a short but extremely polite exchange of mails before lost contact most of eve players are super nice people , but this is a anarchic , mad max like fairy tale land , and some people like to play captain hook , its not that hard ---
**Author:** ![Xuxe\_Xu](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xuxe_xu/32/464660_2.png) [@Xuxe\_Xu](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xuxe_Xu)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2020, 8:23pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/i-gave-eve-a-try-cannot-recommend-to-new-players/259996/100 "2020-08-13T20:23:10Z")
> [@Destiny\_Corrupted](#): > > I’m not crazy… ![](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/9/3/7/93783d3567297364b9041415c016a591769611a3.gif) 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Xeux](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xeux/32/428022_2.png) [@Xeux](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xeux)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2020, 8:32pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/i-gave-eve-a-try-cannot-recommend-to-new-players/259996/101 "2020-08-13T20:32:10Z")
> [@Destiny\_Corrupted](#): > > The devs could easily add a “jail” system to the game to encourage proper gameplay. Har har har. You have called a couple of my ideas dumb. Har har har. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/i-gave-eve-a-try-cannot-recommend-to-new-players/259996.md?page=4) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/i-gave-eve-a-try-cannot-recommend-to-new-players/259996.md?page=6)