# I gave EVE a try --cannot recommend to new players **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [August 12, 2020, 8:35am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/i-gave-eve-a-try-cannot-recommend-to-new-players/259996 "2020-08-12T08:35:46Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 8
**Author:** ![Foggy\_Bernstein](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/foggy_bernstein/32/407887_2.png) [@Foggy\_Bernstein](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Foggy_Bernstein)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2020, 4:07pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/i-gave-eve-a-try-cannot-recommend-to-new-players/259996/142 "2020-08-14T16:07:41Z")
> [@Bumblefck](#): > > Would you believe that this is actually just two sentences? At least he discovered his comma key. Which made those two sentences even more confusing to read. So there’s that. ---
**Author:** ![tutucox\_Khamsi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tutucox_khamsi/32/430743_2.png) [@tutucox\_Khamsi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/tutucox_Khamsi)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2020, 4:08pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/i-gave-eve-a-try-cannot-recommend-to-new-players/259996/143 "2020-08-14T16:08:40Z")
my post is like eve, challenging but rewarding ---
**Author:** ![Foggy\_Bernstein](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/foggy_bernstein/32/407887_2.png) [@Foggy\_Bernstein](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Foggy_Bernstein)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2020, 4:12pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/i-gave-eve-a-try-cannot-recommend-to-new-players/259996/144 "2020-08-14T16:12:31Z")
> [@tutucox\_Khamsi](#): > > challenging but rewarding Well, you gave me a headache trying to read your WOT, so I have to grant you the win in this forum PVP battle. Gratz. ---
**Author:** ![Bumblefck](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/bumblefck/32/217299_2.png) [@Bumblefck](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Bumblefck)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2020, 4:35pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/i-gave-eve-a-try-cannot-recommend-to-new-players/259996/145 "2020-08-14T16:35:39Z")
> [@tutucox\_Khamsi](#): > > dont care for your punny moustachio ‘Punny’, or ‘puny’? Because both could be correct…sadly. ☹ ---
**Author:** ![tutucox\_Khamsi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tutucox_khamsi/32/430743_2.png) [@tutucox\_Khamsi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/tutucox_Khamsi)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2020, 4:45pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/i-gave-eve-a-try-cannot-recommend-to-new-players/259996/146 "2020-08-14T16:45:26Z")
> [@Bumblefck](#): > > ‘Punny’, or ‘puny’? > > Because both could be correct…sadly. ☹ poney ![b8576dfab79adb1af4cf68c771e86d00](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/d/f/df7428ad5dd4a33c7f26f5eb0a01ef5aae1a1608.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![Dravick\_Afterthought](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dravick_afterthought/32/282017_2.png) [@Dravick\_Afterthought](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dravick_Afterthought)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2020, 8:28pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/i-gave-eve-a-try-cannot-recommend-to-new-players/259996/147 "2020-08-14T20:28:03Z")
> [@tutucox\_Khamsi](#): > > {stuff} I know we complain here about lack of punctuation, but I now see who cornered the market in it… ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2020, 8:38pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/i-gave-eve-a-try-cannot-recommend-to-new-players/259996/148 "2020-08-14T20:38:49Z")
You’ll have to excuse him, he’s a huehue. ---
**Author:** ![DeMichael\_Crimson](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/demichael_crimson/32/514115_2.png) [@DeMichael\_Crimson](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/DeMichael_Crimson)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2020, 8:42pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/i-gave-eve-a-try-cannot-recommend-to-new-players/259996/149 "2020-08-14T20:42:47Z")
> [@Wadiest\_Yong](#): > > > [@Astutemaximus\_Nardieu](#): > > > > His conclusion is correct though. It’s why the game struggles to retain new players > > It is not because one repeats false claims that they gain any credibility. This has been debunked over and over again, even by CCP themselves in official presentations. > [@Cannon\_Fodder\_Jane](#): > > I think not. EVE is very new-player friendly as it is. I hope you guys aren’t referring to that BS presentation by CCP Rise from 5 yrs ago. During their 2019 Invasion World Tour, CCP Hilmar recently updated their stats on New Player Retention and even admitted there’s a major problem with it. ![](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/e/8/e858ad655f8ca7eb7293921fd5282927fe3492e0.png) ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2020, 8:46pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/i-gave-eve-a-try-cannot-recommend-to-new-players/259996/150 "2020-08-14T20:46:17Z")
gaem 2 hard ppl no liek news at 10 ---
**Author:** ![Xeux](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xeux/32/428022_2.png) [@Xeux](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xeux)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2020, 8:59pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/i-gave-eve-a-try-cannot-recommend-to-new-players/259996/151 "2020-08-14T20:59:39Z")
No flowers to water, no fruit trees to harvest, barely any pink at all, even on ship skins and clothing. Money is hard to get. Log in rewards suck. Gawd, is this a video game or accounting software? Ganking is not the problem. ---
**Author:** ![Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jonah_gravenstein/32/386819_2.png) [@Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jonah_Gravenstein)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2020, 9:19pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/i-gave-eve-a-try-cannot-recommend-to-new-players/259996/152 "2020-08-14T21:19:41Z")
> [@DeMichael\_Crimson](#): > > During their 2019 Invasion World Tour, CCP Hilmar recently updated their stats on New Player Retention and even admitted there’s a major problem with it. If there’s a problem it’s affecting the industry as a whole, because those retention numbers are inline with the industry average. ---
**Author:** ![tutucox\_Khamsi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tutucox_khamsi/32/430743_2.png) [@tutucox\_Khamsi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/tutucox_Khamsi)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2020, 9:23pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/i-gave-eve-a-try-cannot-recommend-to-new-players/259996/153 "2020-08-14T21:23:31Z")
> [@Destiny\_Corrupted](#): > > gaem 2 hard ppl no liek news at 10 day bum toc toc orrrng mnnnn bdddddd ---
**Author:** ![Foggy\_Bernstein](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/foggy_bernstein/32/407887_2.png) [@Foggy\_Bernstein](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Foggy_Bernstein)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2020, 9:33pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/i-gave-eve-a-try-cannot-recommend-to-new-players/259996/154 "2020-08-14T21:33:37Z")
> [@Jonah\_Gravenstein](#): > > > [@DeMichael\_Crimson](#): > > > > During their 2019 Invasion World Tour, CCP Hilmar recently updated their stats on New Player Retention and even admitted there’s a major problem with it. > > If there’s a problem it’s affecting the industry as a whole, because those retention numbers are inline with the industry average. CCP apologist or just a deflection to make DMC look bad? Hard to tell. Either way, it had nothing to do with the topic at hand. New player retention in EVE. Not gaming in general. Plus pulling random statistics out of your ass does not endear you to anyone but the people with the same implicit bias you are showing. ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2020, 9:37pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/i-gave-eve-a-try-cannot-recommend-to-new-players/259996/155 "2020-08-14T21:37:38Z")
That player retention chart is almost 1:1 with the statistics Valve put out a few years ago, including the whole “only half of all users ever open any particular game after purchasing it” bit. Not just for MMOs, but for games _in general_. EVE is dying, guys, they can’t hold on to even a quarter of their new players! We’ll never reach 60 million active subs like MapleStory did at this rate! lmao ---
**Author:** ![Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jonah_gravenstein/32/386819_2.png) [@Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jonah_Gravenstein)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2020, 9:40pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/i-gave-eve-a-try-cannot-recommend-to-new-players/259996/156 "2020-08-14T21:40:23Z")
> [@Foggy\_Bernstein](#): > > CCP apologist or just a deflection to make DMC look bad? What were you saying in another thread about reading what you want to see? > Either way, it had nothing to do with the topic at hand. New player retention in EVE. Not gaming in general. He’s portraying Eve’s retention rate as bad, pointing out that it’s about average is both on topic and relevant. > Plus pulling random statistics out of your ass does not endear you to anyone but the people with the same implicit bias you are showing. So why are you taking me to task but not DMC? Are you perhaps biased in the way that you accuse others of? The fact remains that the average retention rate for other MMOs is about the same as that of Eve, especially in the F2P and freemium sector which it is now part of. ---
**Author:** ![Mayhaw\_Morgan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mayhaw_morgan/32/412682_2.png) [@Mayhaw\_Morgan](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mayhaw_Morgan)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2020, 9:48pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/i-gave-eve-a-try-cannot-recommend-to-new-players/259996/157 "2020-08-14T21:48:52Z")
> [@Jonah\_Gravenstein](#): > > those retention numbers are inline with the industry average. So, it sounds like what you’re saying is that EVE Online is an average game. And you think this supports your argument. ---
**Author:** ![Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jonah_gravenstein/32/386819_2.png) [@Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jonah_Gravenstein)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2020, 9:55pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/i-gave-eve-a-try-cannot-recommend-to-new-players/259996/158 "2020-08-14T21:55:14Z")
I said no such thing, your inference is flawed. ---
**Author:** ![Mayhaw\_Morgan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mayhaw_morgan/32/412682_2.png) [@Mayhaw\_Morgan](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mayhaw_Morgan)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2020, 9:55pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/i-gave-eve-a-try-cannot-recommend-to-new-players/259996/159 "2020-08-14T21:55:50Z")
0/10 Booooo! Fight harder! ---
**Author:** ![DeMichael\_Crimson](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/demichael_crimson/32/514115_2.png) [@DeMichael\_Crimson](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/DeMichael_Crimson)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2020, 12:03am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/i-gave-eve-a-try-cannot-recommend-to-new-players/259996/161 "2020-08-15T00:03:44Z")
> [@Jonah\_Gravenstein](#): > > If there’s a problem it’s affecting the industry as a whole, because those retention numbers are inline with the industry average. If there’s a problem? Wow, talk about denial… CCP Hilmar is the one who said there’s a problem with New Player Retention. > [@Jonah\_Gravenstein](#): > > The fact remains that the average retention rate for other MMOs is about the same as that of Eve, especially in the F2P and freemium sector which it is now part of. Can you link some Official game stats to show that? ---
**Author:** ![J\_Poll](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/j_poll/32/228940_2.png) [@J\_Poll](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/J_Poll)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2020, 7:53am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/i-gave-eve-a-try-cannot-recommend-to-new-players/259996/162 "2020-08-15T07:53:16Z")
> [@DeMichael\_Crimson](#): > > I hope you guys aren’t referring to that BS presentation by CCP Rise from 5 yrs ago. During their 2019 Invasion World Tour, CCP Hilmar recently updated their stats on New Player Retention and even admitted there’s a major problem with it. > > ![](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/e/8/e858ad655f8ca7eb7293921fd5282927fe3492e0.png) I’m more worried about the 13k new accounts who don’t even log in (and thus also don’t make a character) [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/i-gave-eve-a-try-cannot-recommend-to-new-players/259996.md?page=7) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/i-gave-eve-a-try-cannot-recommend-to-new-players/259996.md?page=9)