# I lost faith in CCP **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Tags:** industrial, pve, pvp\ **Created:** [July 15, 2021, 9:56pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/i-lost-faith-in-ccp/320078 "2021-07-15T21:56:17Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Mr\_Epeen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mr_epeen/32/373308_2.png) [@Mr\_Epeen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mr_Epeen)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2021, 1:59pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/i-lost-faith-in-ccp/320078/44 "2021-07-16T13:59:06Z")
> [@Natalie\_Patrovita](#): > > I refuse to cry and moan over a game. Provably false. This isn’t Snapchat, zoomer. It’s like you people are unaware that all the things you have written are still on the forum. Mr Epeen 🕶 ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2021, 2:06pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/i-lost-faith-in-ccp/320078/45 "2021-07-16T14:06:46Z")
> [@Mr\_Epeen](#): > > This isn’t Snapchat, zoomer. It’s like you people are unaware that all the things you have written are still on the forum. Does that mean I can never run for office? ---
**Author:** ![Rekindle](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/rekindle/32/382332_2.png) [@Rekindle](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Rekindle)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2021, 2:57pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/i-lost-faith-in-ccp/320078/46 "2021-07-16T14:57:51Z")
> [@Destiny\_Corrupted](#): > > Does that mean I can never run for office? No one ever said anything about running IN the office though. Its basically the same thing? ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2021, 2:58pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/i-lost-faith-in-ccp/320078/47 "2021-07-16T14:58:29Z")
The last time I did that I got tackled by the security… ---
**Author:** ![Rekindle](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/rekindle/32/382332_2.png) [@Rekindle](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Rekindle)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2021, 3:00pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/i-lost-faith-in-ccp/320078/48 "2021-07-16T15:00:37Z")
and this point leads us back to the topic at hand – have faith but htfu so you can out run security ?? ---
**Author:** ![Natalie\_Patrovita](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/natalie_patrovita/32/253528_2.png) [@Natalie\_Patrovita](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Natalie_Patrovita)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2021, 3:11pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/i-lost-faith-in-ccp/320078/49 "2021-07-16T15:11:53Z")
> [@Rekindle](#): > > My feelings, sentiments and opinions about Eve online are with regard to and only include matters pertaining to and affecting that universe Understood, yet the brains animating that universe, in this case New Eden, are inside the heads of sentient beings who inhabit a real universe and no matter how much we try to separate the two, they are nonetheless linked and one always affects the other. So when something happens in one universe like “life happens” and a player cannot connect or quits or dies irl, it affect New Eden universe. Just can’t divorce the two. One depends on the other. ---
**Author:** ![Rekindle](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/rekindle/32/382332_2.png) [@Rekindle](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Rekindle)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2021, 3:34pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/i-lost-faith-in-ccp/320078/50 "2021-07-16T15:34:43Z")
> [@Natalie\_Patrovita](#): > > Understood, yet the brains animating that universe, in this case New Eden, we can agree to disagree on a lot 🙂 Eve is a game (a great game world) the world is the world. IRL first…pew pew when there’s time …I personally keep the two quite seperate. ---
**Author:** ![Ravid\_Bheskagor](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ravid_bheskagor/32/472687_2.png) [@Ravid\_Bheskagor](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ravid_Bheskagor)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2021, 3:44pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/i-lost-faith-in-ccp/320078/51 "2021-07-16T15:44:01Z")
CCP balances EVE. ---
**Author:** ![Io\_Koval](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/io_koval/32/282426_2.png) [@Io\_Koval](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Io_Koval)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2021, 3:47pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/i-lost-faith-in-ccp/320078/52 "2021-07-16T15:47:15Z")
> [@BruceLee\_Xadi](#): > > So what is the issue? I have a character with over 100m SP’s and others in the 50-75m range, I can do almost anything in the game I want, and I have. I spent countless hours and lots of money playing this game. All the things I invested in are worthless now. I’ve been finding worthwhile things to do, for a definition of “worthwhile” not measured in ISK/hour. Sucks to see you go, but if you ever do come back, I hope you re-evaluate what “worth” is. ---
**Author:** ![Natalie\_Patrovita](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/natalie_patrovita/32/253528_2.png) [@Natalie\_Patrovita](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Natalie_Patrovita)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2021, 4:27pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/i-lost-faith-in-ccp/320078/53 "2021-07-16T16:27:15Z")
> [@Rekindle](#): > > I personally keep the two quite seperate You can try to keep them separate but the things that affect your real life will affect your life in New Eden. Your gaming is influenced and affected by things like: working overtime, loosing your job, losing a loved one, a fire at your house, going on vacation, getting divorced… Otherwise, the saying “real life first” wouldn’t make much sense if they were as separate as you suggest. ---
**Author:** ![Snowflake\_Tem](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/snowflake_tem/32/432971_2.png) [@Snowflake\_Tem](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Snowflake_Tem)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2021, 4:55pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/i-lost-faith-in-ccp/320078/54 "2021-07-16T16:55:20Z")
> [@BruceLee\_Xadi](#): > > All the things I invested in are worthless now. Generally speaking Asian culture values leisure and their associated digital assets differently. Evidently CCP was wise to expand localisation. In my opionion EVE is the best collaborative puzzle game ever. _edomo validus erudio_; you will always be an accomplished alumnus of EVE Academy. Lastly, can I have your stuff? I don’t really want it but we have traditions to maintain. ---
**Author:** ![Pozdro\_Tubylcy](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/pozdro_tubylcy/32/265318_2.png) [@Pozdro\_Tubylcy](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Pozdro_Tubylcy)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2021, 5:10pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/i-lost-faith-in-ccp/320078/55 "2021-07-16T17:10:14Z")
due to the fact that you combine and separate RL and the game depending on how you feel more comfortable at the moment, your opinion on this matter ceased to matter to me… ---
**Author:** ![Lara\_Agnon](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lara_agnon/32/377122_2.png) [@Lara\_Agnon](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Lara_Agnon)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2021, 8:17am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/i-lost-faith-in-ccp/320078/56 "2021-07-17T08:17:57Z")
> [@Apu\_Chipri](#): > > PVP is the most adaptable playstyle. PvP is kind of dull without targets. Oh, we still have market PvP, puh! ---
**Author:** ![BruceLee\_Xadi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/brucelee_xadi/32/248340_2.png) [@BruceLee\_Xadi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/BruceLee_Xadi)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2021, 5:24pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/i-lost-faith-in-ccp/320078/57 "2021-07-19T17:24:43Z")
Worthwhile, is being able to buy new ships, replace losses without having to buy plex in a reasonable amount of time. ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2021, 6:25am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/i-lost-faith-in-ccp/320078/58 "2021-07-20T06:25:24Z")
> [@BruceLee\_Xadi](#): > > When I started playing this game (2016) I was mesmerized by Rorquals, I quit reading. ---
**Author:** ![Rekindle](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/rekindle/32/382332_2.png) [@Rekindle](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Rekindle)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2021, 10:32am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/i-lost-faith-in-ccp/320078/59 "2021-07-20T10:32:55Z")
> [@Aiko\_Danuja](#): > > I quit reading. You should not quit reading. By reading you gain more knowledge and information and you become smarter. If you don’t read that might not happen! ---
**Author:** ![Salt\_Foambreaker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salt_foambreaker/32/280119_2.png) [@Salt\_Foambreaker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salt_Foambreaker)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2021, 2:05pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/i-lost-faith-in-ccp/320078/60 "2021-07-20T14:05:47Z")
> [@BruceLee\_Xadi](#): > > Worthwhile, is being able to buy new ships, replace losses without having to buy plex in a reasonable amount of time. Your mistake is the assumption that these ships are the same as max level in other games, “endgame”. So you bought yourself to endgame using RL money and got a hard lesson, these are fleet ships that mainly corps can afford to use and lose. You do know not to fly what you can’t afford to lose right? ---
**Author:** ![Salt\_Foambreaker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salt_foambreaker/32/280119_2.png) [@Salt\_Foambreaker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salt_Foambreaker)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2021, 3:00pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/i-lost-faith-in-ccp/320078/61 "2021-07-20T15:00:13Z")
> [@Lara\_Agnon](#): > > PvP is kind of dull without targets. “Targets” have been quitting for the entire life of EVE. More always come. ---
**Author:** ![Io\_Koval](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/io_koval/32/282426_2.png) [@Io\_Koval](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Io_Koval)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2021, 3:04pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/i-lost-faith-in-ccp/320078/62 "2021-07-20T15:04:42Z")
> [@BruceLee\_Xadi](#): > > Worthwhile, is being able to buy new ships, replace losses without having to buy plex in a reasonable amount of time. I appreciate you sharing what you find worthwhile. However, to my prior point: > [@Io\_Koval](#): > > I’ve been finding worthwhile things to do, for a definition of “worthwhile” not measured in ISK/hour. > > Sucks to see you go, but if you ever do come back, I hope you re-evaluate what “worth” is. …yours sounds awfully like “ISK/hour” dressed up in the form of “buy replacement ships in a reasonable amount of time”. For me, I often wind up chatting in local in violation of the old adage “never talk in local”, and in the process I’ve made many acquaintances, gotten in trouble, gotten out of trouble, gotten in a hi sec duel, gotten temporary standings, learned juicy gossip, stumbled upon gatecamps, gotten unnecessary thanks for mercy (I don’t like blowing up small-or-solo corp industrials), hot exploration tips, free admission into event fleets, banter with pirates, circumnavigated half the universe, etc. I’ve found such adventures worthwhile despite the ISK/hour being abysmal and the sov map changes nonexistent. I’ve found the people of EVE way more interesting than the assets of EVE. I still hope that you, too, find something other than ISK/hour being worthwhile. ---
**Author:** ![Vekku\_Dradis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/vekku_dradis/32/463196_2.png) [@Vekku\_Dradis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Vekku_Dradis)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2021, 5:11pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/i-lost-faith-in-ccp/320078/63 "2021-07-20T17:11:38Z")
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