# I lost faith in CCP **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Tags:** industrial, pve, pvp\ **Created:** [July 15, 2021, 9:56pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/i-lost-faith-in-ccp/320078 "2021-07-15T21:56:17Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Iceacid\_Frostpacker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/iceacid_frostpacker/32/505689_2.png) [@Iceacid\_Frostpacker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Iceacid_Frostpacker)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2021, 7:10pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/i-lost-faith-in-ccp/320078/64 "2021-07-20T19:10:52Z")
![burn-it](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/a/5/4/a54f91259a039cec9952f99dd9bbe30d75a72297.jpeg) Burn IT! ---
**Author:** ![Pozdro\_Tubylcy](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/pozdro_tubylcy/32/265318_2.png) [@Pozdro\_Tubylcy](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Pozdro_Tubylcy)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2021, 10:39pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/i-lost-faith-in-ccp/320078/65 "2021-07-20T22:39:42Z")
when I lost my faith in ccp, you did not know how to piss on the potty yet… ---
**Author:** ![Iceacid\_Frostpacker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/iceacid_frostpacker/32/505689_2.png) [@Iceacid\_Frostpacker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Iceacid_Frostpacker)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2021, 10:43pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/i-lost-faith-in-ccp/320078/66 "2021-07-20T22:43:19Z")
boomer ---
**Author:** ![BruceLee\_Xadi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/brucelee_xadi/32/248340_2.png) [@BruceLee\_Xadi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/BruceLee_Xadi)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2021, 9:10pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/i-lost-faith-in-ccp/320078/67 "2021-07-22T21:10:57Z")
Are you trying to make a point or just spouting more “this is eve” bs? I subscribed to the game, what else is there? Isn’t like I was buying skill injectors, I subscribed, got some plex here and there when things got tight or I wanted a skin. ---
**Author:** ![BruceLee\_Xadi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/brucelee_xadi/32/248340_2.png) [@BruceLee\_Xadi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/BruceLee_Xadi)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2021, 9:13pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/i-lost-faith-in-ccp/320078/68 "2021-07-22T21:13:07Z")
Yeah ISK isn’t everything but in a PVP game that requires ISK to play, its pretty hard to play the game without it. ---
**Author:** ![Rocket\_Hellfire](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/rocket_hellfire/32/396905_2.png) [@Rocket\_Hellfire](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Rocket_Hellfire)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2021, 9:25pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/i-lost-faith-in-ccp/320078/69 "2021-07-22T21:25:38Z")
Your first mistake was placing any level of faith in CCP. It’s been a cluster\*\*\*\* all 12 of my years. The game is now consistently inconsistent. There is no rhyme or reason behind ANYTHING they do. It’s like their Viking ancestors raiding and pillaging a wealthy settlement, and leaving it in ashes with no real sustainable future, then pissing away everything they looted. It’s a Lose-Lose situation for players and CCP. ---
**Author:** ![Iceacid\_Frostpacker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/iceacid_frostpacker/32/505689_2.png) [@Iceacid\_Frostpacker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Iceacid_Frostpacker)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2021, 6:23am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/i-lost-faith-in-ccp/320078/70 "2021-07-23T06:23:09Z")
> [@Rocket\_Hellfire](#): > > Your first mistake was placing any level of faith in CCP. How so? It’s a sandbox that CCP makes sure that the servers are live and players have stable gameplay. Why are we asking more than that? ---
**Author:** ![Io\_Koval](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/io_koval/32/282426_2.png) [@Io\_Koval](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Io_Koval)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2021, 6:55am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/i-lost-faith-in-ccp/320078/71 "2021-07-23T06:55:19Z")
> [@BruceLee\_Xadi](#): > > Yeah ISK isn’t everything but in a PVP game that requires ISK to play, its pretty hard to play the game without it. I continue to hear you, and you have made your point clearly. This latest short-statement of yours I find has semantics that reflects a very particular and specific worldview on the game, uttered in a rhetorical style that conveys a devoted and committed confidence to that outlook. I could try angles to chip away at that worldview like “there is no single way to PvP”, “there are less expensive ways to PvP”, “making relationships and doing unusual things lends to friends lends to better PvP outcomes and less ISK losses”, “PvP is a means but towards what end is for you to decide”, “if you aren’t having fun in a PvP game then change what PvP you’re doing”, and so on, but I’ve been here before during the summer of rage, so you’re not expressing a novel worldview. Out of respect, I’m going to bow out of the thread so you don’t have to tire yourself repeating the same points to me. I’ve said my piece and, as the adage goes, I can only lead a horse to water. ---
**Author:** ![Quentin\_Schaefer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/quentin_schaefer/32/471507_2.png) [@Quentin\_Schaefer](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Quentin_Schaefer)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2021, 7:02am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/i-lost-faith-in-ccp/320078/72 "2021-07-23T07:02:51Z")
> [@Iceacid\_Frostpacker](#): > > Why are we asking more than that? I’d imagine it’s because they continue to ■■■■ with the sandbox. ---
**Author:** ![Iceacid\_Frostpacker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/iceacid_frostpacker/32/505689_2.png) [@Iceacid\_Frostpacker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Iceacid_Frostpacker)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2021, 7:10am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/i-lost-faith-in-ccp/320078/73 "2021-07-23T07:10:02Z")
The sand shifting inside the box is normal as there had been items added over the years and perhaps even items taken away. ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2021, 7:14am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/i-lost-faith-in-ccp/320078/74 "2021-07-23T07:14:08Z")
Happy Birthday Iceacid! ---
**Author:** ![Iceacid\_Frostpacker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/iceacid_frostpacker/32/505689_2.png) [@Iceacid\_Frostpacker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Iceacid_Frostpacker)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2021, 7:18am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/i-lost-faith-in-ccp/320078/75 "2021-07-23T07:18:10Z")
![bday](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/3/9/9/3999a0c767d958d55915fca4afe5c4c4470af942.jpeg) Thank you very much Princess. ---
**Author:** ![BruceLee\_Xadi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/brucelee_xadi/32/248340_2.png) [@BruceLee\_Xadi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/BruceLee_Xadi)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2021, 6:32pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/i-lost-faith-in-ccp/320078/76 "2021-07-23T18:32:20Z")
I hear you as well, and while I agree there are many ways to play. My investment of time and money in this game needs to have some value, Without that value I feel investing more is foolish. ---
**Author:** ![Meditril](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/meditril/32/378591_2.png) [@Meditril](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Meditril)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2021, 4:12pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/i-lost-faith-in-ccp/320078/77 "2021-07-24T16:12:18Z")
> [@BruceLee\_Xadi](#): > > My investment of time and money in this game needs to have some value, Without that value I feel investing more is foolish. This is a game, the only „value“ a game should provide is „fun“ or „enjoyable time“. Depending on your own preferences there are usually many ways to achieve this in EVE. But like in every game, fun and enjoyable time is not always guaranteed, as sometimes they also depend on „luck“. ---
**Author:** ![Pozdro\_Tubylcy](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/pozdro_tubylcy/32/265318_2.png) [@Pozdro\_Tubylcy](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Pozdro_Tubylcy)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2021, 5:56pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/i-lost-faith-in-ccp/320078/78 "2021-07-24T17:56:37Z")
> [@Meditril](#): > > like in every game, fun and enjoyable time is not always guaranteed, as sometimes they also depend on „luck“. o beka… ---
**Author:** ![Algathas](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/algathas/32/397229_2.png) [@Algathas](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Algathas)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2021, 3:52am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/i-lost-faith-in-ccp/320078/79 "2021-07-27T03:52:41Z")
> [@BruceLee\_Xadi](#): > > My investment of time and money in this game needs to have some value I look at the value not as an “investment” but as entertainment value. Going to a movie or subscribing to cable TV has no investment value but has enough entertainment value to keep people paying loads of money for and waste a lot of time on them. By comparison, the sub for a MMO you enjoy is a small cost to entertainment ratio. Making the game into an “investment” frames the game as a “job”. I already have plenty of work IRL and don’t need or want another Job. The game framed as you do is not a game I would want to play. ---
**Author:** ![Wadiest\_Yong](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/wadiest_yong/32/426921_2.png) [@Wadiest\_Yong](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Wadiest_Yong)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2021, 3:58am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/i-lost-faith-in-ccp/320078/80 "2021-07-27T03:58:43Z")
> [@BruceLee\_Xadi](#): > > My investment of time and money in this game needs to have some value, What’s the value of going to the movies ? Same deal. If you don’t get anything out of it, don’t go. ---
**Author:** ![BruceLee\_Xadi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/brucelee_xadi/32/248340_2.png) [@BruceLee\_Xadi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/BruceLee_Xadi)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2021, 4:57am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/i-lost-faith-in-ccp/320078/81 "2021-07-27T04:57:36Z")
Pretty sure and mmo and a movie are not the same thing. ---
**Author:** ![BruceLee\_Xadi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/brucelee_xadi/32/248340_2.png) [@BruceLee\_Xadi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/BruceLee_Xadi)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2021, 4:59am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/i-lost-faith-in-ccp/320078/82 "2021-07-27T04:59:05Z")
Yeah that’s not even remotely the same thing. An MMO is an investment. ---
**Author:** ![Arumi\_Liz](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arumi_liz/32/276823_2.png) [@Arumi\_Liz](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arumi_Liz)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2021, 5:07am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/i-lost-faith-in-ccp/320078/83 "2021-07-27T05:07:17Z")
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