# I offer Idea for CCP - how to reanimate PVP, Old & New Pilots, Alliances, live content in Faction War Systems **URL:** \ **Category:** Player Features & Ideas\ **Tags:** faction-war, pvp\ **Created:** [February 16, 2019, 2:18am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/i-offer-idea-for-ccp-how-to-reanimate-pvp-old-new-pilots-alliances-live-content-in-faction-war-systems/140305 "2019-02-16T02:18:40Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 15\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Teckos\_Pech](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/teckos_pech/32/375283_2.png) [@Teckos\_Pech](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Teckos_Pech)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2019, 7:57am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/i-offer-idea-for-ccp-how-to-reanimate-pvp-old-new-pilots-alliances-live-content-in-faction-war-systems/140305/61 "2019-02-18T07:57:57Z")
You are just like the anti-AFK-cloaking jerks…nothing more. Everyone should ignore you until you stop being a NUB. ---
**Author:** ![Nik\_Frost](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nik_frost/32/171956_2.png) [@Nik\_Frost](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nik_Frost)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2019, 8:04am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/i-offer-idea-for-ccp-how-to-reanimate-pvp-old-new-pilots-alliances-live-content-in-faction-war-systems/140305/62 "2019-02-18T08:04:50Z")
did you see your killboard (100% gangs)? so first for writing here a harms, think about who is who and special about yourself who i am … ---
**Author:** ![Teckos\_Pech](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/teckos_pech/32/375283_2.png) [@Teckos\_Pech](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Teckos_Pech)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2019, 8:06am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/i-offer-idea-for-ccp-how-to-reanimate-pvp-old-new-pilots-alliances-live-content-in-faction-war-systems/140305/63 "2019-02-18T08:06:47Z")
> [@Nik\_Frost](#): > > did you see your killboard? No…I’ve never seen my killboard. Cripes what a comment. Second what does that have to do with anything? That i might kill various people at various points in the game is wildly different than doing things via Dev Fiat. ---
**Author:** ![Kpa\_6uK](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/kpa_6uk/32/155866_2.png) [@Kpa\_6uK](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Kpa_6uK)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2019, 8:28am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/i-offer-idea-for-ccp-how-to-reanimate-pvp-old-new-pilots-alliances-live-content-in-faction-war-systems/140305/64 "2019-02-18T08:28:21Z")
стоило бы обратить внимание на это, но дропатся титанами и карами на фригаты, ну такое сееб занятие ---
**Author:** ![BEETHOVENSMITH](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/beethovensmith/32/369577_2.png) [@BEETHOVENSMITH](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/BEETHOVENSMITH)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2019, 1:12am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/i-offer-idea-for-ccp-how-to-reanimate-pvp-old-new-pilots-alliances-live-content-in-faction-war-systems/140305/65 "2019-02-20T01:12:44Z")
update to my thoughts One of the best improvements CCP made regarding the Faction Warfare PvP arena was to close off the Novice/Small/Medium plexes to ships with warpcore stabilizers, yet Ventures seem to still enter, and stabbed ships still have access to Large sites. My thoughts to improve the Factional Warfare PvP arena and resolve some currently flawed and exploited game mechanics: 1- If a ship has a stab, it doesn’t count towards the plex timer 2- If a ship does not have low and medium slots filled it does not count towards the plex timer 3- Activation of the plex site gate is too long, resulting in yet another (of already many) camping opportunities. 4- Any pilot who enters a plex should gain a sort of “suspect timer” and be free-to-engage while inside regardless of alignment or security status, thus: Engaging a none FW pilot within a plex should not result in standings or security status loss 5- There should be only 3 LP tiers in Fac-War, not the current 5, to reduce any possibility to throw the LP market off balance 6- Fac-War enlisted pilots should not be allowed to dock in NPC stations within “enemy” faction High-Sec space 7- Besides the optional LP donation towards a system I-Hub, Corps enlisted in Fac-War should have the ability to set an LP tax that is channeled into a selected I-Hub (added tab in Corp managment window for Corps enlisted in Fac-War) 8- Some LP stores are currently better than others and a balance need to applied (biased?) 9- Fac-War NPC Corp stations should also provide refining/manufacturing to their Militia only 10- Either every Fac-War mission or no Fac-War misson should have Scram/Web Frigates in them, not only Caldari and Minmatar (biased?) 11- Fac-War mission NPC’s should not shoot at players enlisted with that same faction. This will make Fac-War missions make more sense and add a factor of PvP to be considered before running missions like a bot while enlisted. Fac-War should mean Faction Warfare 12- The I-Hub bonuses should be reworked to be" 4% to NPC bounty pay-out and 2% ore/ice refining yield per level. This will make mining and ratting more tempting and creating more potential PvP battle-grounds. 13- Shooting any Fac-War ally (a Cal-Mil shooting an Amarr-Mil) should result a standings loss with both allied Factions (loss of Amarr and Caldari standings) 14- Player Owned Structures owned by Corporations enlisted in Fac-War should have the option to prevent entire enemy Faction from docking 15- Damps should have the same rule as ECM, so that the source of damp can always be targeted (while within the original pre-damped range) 16- Meta level 6+ weapons should be able to use T2 ammo since T2 weapons are meta level 5 17- Drones that end up beyond control range (they remain engaged on target untill target is killed) should not be able to be recalled or reconnected to untill within control range again 18- Mobile Depots should have an option to turn on/off a “fleet hangar” 19- Security Status of - 5.0 should prevent docking in High-Sec NPC stations 20- “Logs and Messages” is faulty and requires rework since: 20.A- Info requested to filter out still shows 20.B- Info requested to filter in fails to show 20.C- Weapon Type fails to show 20.D- Faulty display of information in general 21- Safety Containers should be Contractable to another character 22- Player Owned Stations should not permit any player to deposit items inside without docking And finally, the CCP saying “ISK vs Risk” is no longer fully true. Hopefully the above would start the way back towards the original intention of this saying. ---
**Author:** ![Diana\_Kim](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/diana_kim/32/382972_2.png) [@Diana\_Kim](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Diana_Kim)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2019, 1:13pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/i-offer-idea-for-ccp-how-to-reanimate-pvp-old-new-pilots-alliances-live-content-in-faction-war-systems/140305/66 "2019-02-20T13:13:07Z")
> [@Nik\_Frost](#): > > 1. Any neutral player (who is non FW corp or NPC member) in FW systems should be in suspect status and all FW members can shoot him, and SS of FW member does’t change. Centry guns on gates or stations automatic shooting them if they shoot any FW member. That’s awesome! Warzone for warriors, unsolicited civvie access makes them suspects 🙂 > [@Nik\_Frost](#): > > 1. Neutral players can’t dock in NPC stations in FW systems. If you want it please choose one of FW side. I am strictly against that. Do you really want to haul everything yourself from Jita?.. Unlike helping FW that will kill it - after all, we need supply lines, and you shall know it pretty well that hauling yourself under war is a very unwise option. ---
**Author:** ![Captain\_Panther](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/captain_panther/32/368735_2.png) [@Captain\_Panther](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Captain_Panther)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2019, 12:51pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/i-offer-idea-for-ccp-how-to-reanimate-pvp-old-new-pilots-alliances-live-content-in-faction-war-systems/140305/67 "2019-02-21T12:51:07Z")
Also supers ban isn’t an easy thing as you can still have cynos in LS and having cynos along with restrictions can pose difficulties for many players. And banning cynos altogether in FW systems is a no go as it will disrupt JF routes… on the other side letting only covert cynos in FW can make it spicy. Let’s make a new Abyssal FW Space and live happily thereafter xD ---
**Author:** ![Diana\_Kim](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/diana_kim/32/382972_2.png) [@Diana\_Kim](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Diana_Kim)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2019, 12:58pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/i-offer-idea-for-ccp-how-to-reanimate-pvp-old-new-pilots-alliances-live-content-in-faction-war-systems/140305/68 "2019-02-21T12:58:15Z")
Oh, I agree with this as well - there’s no life without cyno 😃 As I myself being in FW move ships around mostly with cyno and drop in goods with JF. ---
**Author:** ![Diana\_Kim](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/diana_kim/32/382972_2.png) [@Diana\_Kim](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Diana_Kim)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2019, 1:21pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/i-offer-idea-for-ccp-how-to-reanimate-pvp-old-new-pilots-alliances-live-content-in-faction-war-systems/140305/69 "2019-02-21T13:21:47Z")
> [@BEETHOVENSMITH](#): > > 1- If a ship has a stab, it doesn’t count towards the plex timer Oh yes, current system was certainly a half-measure, preventing counting towards timer would work way better than prohibiting access to gates. After all, certain ships (corvettes) and capsules don’t count to the timer anyway, so it doesn’t look very difficult to implement. > [@BEETHOVENSMITH](#): > > 2- If a ship does not have low and medium slots filled it does not count towards the plex timer I support this completely. Besides obvious deplexing, I have seen oplexing tristans with no mods at all - only drones. 🤣 > [@BEETHOVENSMITH](#): > > 3- Activation of the plex site gate is too long, resulting in yet another (of already many) camping opportunities. It already was instant in the past, and it was changed to be that long to prevent just sliding in. I don’t know which system is better - both of them offer certain opportunities, though as playing more a “hunter” role than a “prey”, it might be frustrating not able to insta slide in anymore when the fleet is outside, but I think I like the ability to catch an enemy more. > [@BEETHOVENSMITH](#): > > 4- Any pilot who enters a plex should gain a sort of “suspect timer” and be free-to-engage while inside regardless of alignment or security status, thus: Engaging a none FW pilot within a plex should not result in standings or security status loss Or better - just warping to FW plex. No civvies allowed. 😁 After all, there are larges too and some fights are happening outside - again, against same plex gate campers. And seeing flashy neut you can guess something funny is going on around. > [@BEETHOVENSMITH](#): > > 8- Some LP stores are currently better than others and a balance need to applied (biased?) IMHO it’s all about VNI. > [@BEETHOVENSMITH](#): > > 11- Fac-War mission NPC’s should not shoot at players enlisted with that same faction. This will make Fac-War missions make more sense and add a factor of PvP to be considered before running missions like a bot while enlisted. Fac-War should mean Faction Warfare Totally agree, it’s weird when they shoot you instead of your enemy inside… On the other hand, there should be some sort of protection in case someone will decide to make an “enemy” alt to kill them without any danger of being shot. A lot of these mission farmers are using neutral alts too, imagine they all start using opposite side alts… > [@BEETHOVENSMITH](#): > > 13- Shooting any Fac-War ally (a Cal-Mil shooting an Amarr-Mil) should result a standings loss with both allied Factions (loss of Amarr and Caldari standings) ABSO-FREAKING-LUTELY! Though, honestly, awoxers always will find a way, for example, making corporations with 2-3 alts of perfect standing, which I already seen happening. I think that issue should be addressed as well. > [@BEETHOVENSMITH](#): > > 17- Drones that end up beyond control range (they remain engaged on target untill target is killed) should not be able to be recalled or reconnected to untill within control range again _…lost drones everywhere…_ > [@BEETHOVENSMITH](#): > > 19- Security Status of - 5.0 should prevent docking in High-Sec NPC stations Not FW, but seems very logical, pirates should be real outlaws with no access to “civil” places. After all, even secstatus repairing facilities are situated in low-security space as well. > [@BEETHOVENSMITH](#): > > 22- Player Owned Stations should not permit any player to deposit items inside without docking I think that was made to prevent haul contracts collateral scam with inaccessible stations. The less scam opportunities - the better, IMHO. ---
**Author:** ![Naari\_Naarian](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/naari_naarian/32/173077_2.png) [@Naari\_Naarian](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Naari_Naarian)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2019, 5:59pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/i-offer-idea-for-ccp-how-to-reanimate-pvp-old-new-pilots-alliances-live-content-in-faction-war-systems/140305/70 "2019-02-22T17:59:34Z")
PvP in eve does not exist because people are not fighting as much as they could be. This is directly related to politics in eve, not mechanics. If you want pvp to pic up fast quickly, just reduce the block sizes. ---
**Author:** ![Master\_Sergeant\_MacRobert](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/master_sergeant_macrobert/32/245588_2.png) [@Master\_Sergeant\_MacRobert](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Master_Sergeant_MacRobert)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2019, 1:29pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/i-offer-idea-for-ccp-how-to-reanimate-pvp-old-new-pilots-alliances-live-content-in-faction-war-systems/140305/71 "2019-03-11T13:29:06Z")
> [@Sjup\_Dupont](#): > > I agree with the tiers in FW. Simply increase the margins slightly and bring them down to 3. It would make looking at things so much easier than the current 5135241341415242514142 horror. Maybe a heat zone like on the ingame PvP/ships destroyed map. (On this note, the jump map needs to be changed). No. The tiers can remain but the margins should be reduced. Tier 1 should be a 0% change (100% payout), Tier 2 should be no more than 15%, Tier 3 should be no more than 25%, Tier 4 should be no more than 40% and Tier 5 should be no more than 50%. Then a new ranking system for pilots who have delivered all of the following: 1. No. of closed plex 2. No. of FW kills 3. Length of service in the Faction Militia 4. No. of I-hub’s bashed Higher Militia ranks get privilege by giving restricted access to high end Militia LP Store items. Then the LP stores can be reworked. ---
**Author:** ![Bronson\_Hughes](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/bronson_hughes/32/189075_2.png) [@Bronson\_Hughes](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Bronson_Hughes)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2019, 2:46pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/i-offer-idea-for-ccp-how-to-reanimate-pvp-old-new-pilots-alliances-live-content-in-faction-war-systems/140305/72 "2019-03-11T14:46:34Z")
I appreciate how you want to give folks in FW systems that are actually participating in FW an edge over those who aren’t. But I feel like you go about it the wrong way; we shouldn’t penalize neutral pilots, we should entice FW pilots. To your points: 1. I agree that the Venture should probably be banned from at least gated plexes. I like the idea of any ship with a stab not being able to count down a large plex, but I vaguely remember reading that there were coding/infrastructure issues with doing that (which is why CCP went with the gate restrictions instead). 2. Have to disagree here. FW systems aren’t _only_ for FW. I could maybe see some penalties to capital ships with regard to how quickly they flip a plex to make them less appealing options though. (Just like with Entosis links.) 3. Again, have to disagree. FW systems aren’t _only_ for FW. Flag mechanics are complicated enough as-is, there’s no need to complicate them further. 4. I could totally see stations _everywhere_, not just FW space, not allowing pilots who are at war with the station owner’s faction docking there. (i.e. No more Minmatar faction pilots camping the Amarr trade hub.) But not allowing neutral pilots to dock in FW space is a bad idea. Again, FW systems aren’t _only_ for FW. 5. I could see FW-corp-owned structures in FW space being buffed (or de-buffed) based on the sovereignty level of the system. That would make flipping a system before going after a hostile structure much more important. But, again, keep the neutrals out of it. What I think may be of benefit is more of a “carrot” instead of a “stick” approach. I could see providing FW pilots with damage/application/resist buffs when they’re in FW systems (even if they’re in enemy-held systems) as an incentive to pick a side. But almost all of your suggestions would serve to drive players out of FW space, which is just a bad idea. +1 for goal, -1 for execution. ---
**Author:** ![Rich\_Darine](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/rich_darine/32/438327_2.png) [@Rich\_Darine](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Rich_Darine)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2019, 3:30pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/i-offer-idea-for-ccp-how-to-reanimate-pvp-old-new-pilots-alliances-live-content-in-faction-war-systems/140305/73 "2019-03-11T15:30:54Z")
I feel like FW will never come back. Arguably, it was the hottest place in the game, despite it’s flaws but it had too many things wrong for too long and eventually that ecosystem started to fail and the cycle of death continued and it’s not from a lack of investment or trying - Dust 514 was probably one of the biggest investments made in company history and that was pretty centered around FW iirc… Maybe we will see it repopulate with Korean gangs when they get their own client up and running. ---
**Author:** ![Solstice\_Projekt](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/solstice_projekt/32/503293_2.png) [@Solstice\_Projekt](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Solstice_Projekt)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2019, 10:02am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/i-offer-idea-for-ccp-how-to-reanimate-pvp-old-new-pilots-alliances-live-content-in-faction-war-systems/140305/74 "2019-03-14T10:02:41Z")
Yeah. More bots. Yay. ---
**Author:** ![system](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/4/1/41ec4921cbaca7a6f9ea556e7cc20018461eae5e.png) [@system](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/system)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2019, 10:02am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/i-offer-idea-for-ccp-how-to-reanimate-pvp-old-new-pilots-alliances-live-content-in-faction-war-systems/140305/75 "2019-06-12T10:02:44Z")
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