# I PVE to pay for PVP, but I want to PVP solo... pointless? **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [July 14, 2023, 4:51am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/i-pve-to-pay-for-pvp-but-i-want-to-pvp-solo-pointless/412579 "2023-07-14T04:51:38Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![Omorsand\_Camarilia](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/omorsand_camarilia/32/381499_2.png) [@Omorsand\_Camarilia](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Omorsand_Camarilia)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2023, 9:39pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/i-pve-to-pay-for-pvp-but-i-want-to-pvp-solo-pointless/412579/81 "2023-08-08T21:39:46Z")
U can try beat the animalies scaning dudes) Probably u even make money for their loot Ok i do not write it. Everyone now would kill my scanning ship ---
**Author:** ![Mephiztopheleze](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mephiztopheleze/32/381036_2.png) [@Mephiztopheleze](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mephiztopheleze)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2023, 11:11pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/i-pve-to-pay-for-pvp-but-i-want-to-pvp-solo-pointless/412579/82 "2023-08-08T23:11:41Z")
The “progression” is different for every player. Settle back and let Uncle Meph tell you a little story… For me, I almost exclusively flew frigates for my first year in EVE as a member of RvB (red fed best fed!) and then in one of the null blocs. Mostly the Maulus or Griffin in small gang fights. I did this at the suggestion of some of my corpmates at the time and I’m very glad I listened. This was the days of Ishtars Online: The Game of Drones. During this time, pre skill injector days, I trained my Navigation and Engineering skills. My Gunnery and Drones skills. All those backup skills that help every hull you fly. I had a great group of very good pilots to fly with, including one of the best tackle pilots ever to undock an interceptor. These guys were very generous with their knowledge and advice. I watched. I learned. I died, reshipped and died again. I flew Firetails and Tristans. The occasional Algos or Vexor. As my skills increased I started to fly Logistics cruisers. A lot. My Corp moved out of null and back to lowsec (where we spent 99% of our time anyway). I flew blops battleships and hunter Tengus. Dreads and FAXs. I moved to j-space and stepped up into battlecruisers in fleets. All this time, I still mostly flew frigates or destroyers in small gang/solo roams. Now, after some time spent winning EVE, I’m back in j-space after a small hiatus in a null block. I flew Leshaks, Sabers and Devoters in Pochven fleets. These days, when roaming with my mates, I’m the tackle guy. 150m SP and 99% of my flying is in either a Malediction, Dramiel or a Firetail when roaming FW space (either solo or with friends). Occasionally I’ll get a Draugur, Vedmak or Kiki. I bought myself a fleet 'cane to try and figure out How To Fly™ something bigger. I’m really not very good at that yet. So yuh, the progression for me was frigates and then back to frigates, while mostly flying frigates. ---
**Author:** ![Mephiztopheleze](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mephiztopheleze/32/381036_2.png) [@Mephiztopheleze](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mephiztopheleze)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2023, 11:35pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/i-pve-to-pay-for-pvp-but-i-want-to-pvp-solo-pointless/412579/83 "2023-08-08T23:35:32Z")
Mine was over 25 minutes… [![](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/6/d/9/6d976004fbc62021a7ef655b82a4e9d16be9c495.jpeg "The little Incursus that wanted to be a Battleship (68,000 Total Damage Taken)") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZwbzKiHY2dE) I’m the Dramiel in this encounter. I actually had to tell my corpmates not to join in as it was a gudfite. ---
**Author:** ![Mephiztopheleze](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mephiztopheleze/32/381036_2.png) [@Mephiztopheleze](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mephiztopheleze)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2023, 11:40pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/i-pve-to-pay-for-pvp-but-i-want-to-pvp-solo-pointless/412579/84 "2023-08-08T23:40:11Z")
Sending isk to people that appear to be newbros or inexperienced after blowing them up is considered “being polite” by many solo/small gang pvp’ers. I once dropped my Sin on a Venture, as I’d been out hunting for ages with nothing to show for it. Sent the dude 50m. ---
**Author:** ![Alekseyev\_Karrde](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/alekseyev_karrde/32/407086_2.png) [@Alekseyev\_Karrde](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Alekseyev_Karrde)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2023, 11:50pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/i-pve-to-pay-for-pvp-but-i-want-to-pvp-solo-pointless/412579/85 "2023-08-08T23:50:46Z")
My advice which you may or may not be happy with but you should join a corp which can support your solo PVP habit with mercenary payouts and/or an SRP program. The former is rare (only 2-3 groups currently active) but the latter is common. They will also have veteran players who can help you accelerate developing the PVP skills to help you die less (which will stretch how far your ISK goes) ---
**Author:** ![Dreg\_Apc](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dreg_apc/32/381263_2.png) [@Dreg\_Apc](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dreg_Apc)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2023, 8:10pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/i-pve-to-pay-for-pvp-but-i-want-to-pvp-solo-pointless/412579/86 "2023-08-14T20:10:57Z")
I solo PVP almost every day since i started doing FW. It requires patience. But its possible. And it has been rewarding even tho i die probably 90% of the time 🙂 I did get my first kills recently tho. shameless kb plug > **[Dreg Apc | Character](https://zkillboard.com/character/2121491266/)** > > Dreg Apc: 4 ships destroyed and 31 ships lost. Ive adapted the fit through thrial and error. every encounter has been a learning experience. and ive arrived at a fit than can fend for itself against a majority of threats in a small NVY complex. unfortunately it does not have a scram so the only way to get a kill is if the opponent doesent warp away. surprisingly some dont. ---
**Author:** ![Zaera\_Keena](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zaera_keena/32/449938_2.png) [@Zaera\_Keena](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zaera_Keena)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2023, 9:14pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/i-pve-to-pay-for-pvp-but-i-want-to-pvp-solo-pointless/412579/87 "2023-08-14T21:14:26Z")
> [@Phaade](#): > > some people are of the mindset that a good fight is far more entertaining That’s for losers, Zaera likes to win. ![](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/b/e/8/be8dd00f38f3e24b69e41b7b33d28324539e41f1.webp) ---
**Author:** ![Iceacid\_Frostpacker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/iceacid_frostpacker/32/505689_2.png) [@Iceacid\_Frostpacker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Iceacid_Frostpacker)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2023, 9:34pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/i-pve-to-pay-for-pvp-but-i-want-to-pvp-solo-pointless/412579/88 "2023-08-14T21:34:40Z")
![IMG_3052](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/e/2/d/e2d520df393512ef5a50d0be0e792f601b476d42.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![Phaade](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/phaade/32/390475_2.png) [@Phaade](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Phaade)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2023, 4:21am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/i-pve-to-pay-for-pvp-but-i-want-to-pvp-solo-pointless/412579/89 "2023-08-21T04:21:58Z")
Use t2 pulse lasers, mwd, mse, damage control, 2x heat sink. You’ll get more wins ---
**Author:** ![Miran\_Tereven](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/miran_tereven/32/383453_2.png) [@Miran\_Tereven](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Miran_Tereven)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2023, 1:43pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/i-pve-to-pay-for-pvp-but-i-want-to-pvp-solo-pointless/412579/90 "2023-08-21T13:43:41Z")
> [@Jormungandr\_Midgarosormr](#): > > Over the past couple weeks I have been following the suggestions in this thread. Trying a range of different frigs, even a VNI, which I promptly lost to a brand new gatecamp. I am too lazy to roam, and have a healthy wariness for activating stargates without knowing what is on the other side, so I live in a system which I know the opposing force will attempt to push. I stage in an NPC station there, use insta-dock/undock safes, and focus on fighting in the FW sites. This, in combination with only doing my DST hauling during safe time frames, means that I never sustain such losses. You could classify all this as “knowing your neighbourhood” and “acting with due prudence”. > [@Jormungandr\_Midgarosormr](#): > > I do like quite a few of the ships and playstyles I’ve tried. I’m mostly partial to the dual MASB heron, and the kite slicer. However, it is hard to find targets that are not sitting at 0 on a plex. I usually whelp into navy Catalysts camping plexes anyway because it’s fun and I want to learn what I can and cannot do. I expect to die anyway. I am not a fan of the Slicer myself, because the Slicer has a bad top speed, a bad turn rate, and poor turret tracking. The really successful pilots are either rocking High Grade Snakes, or vibe check plexes with a sub-2 align time, or both. @Aldrith_Shutaq is [respectable](https://zkillboard.com/asearch/#%7B%22buttons%22:%5B%22togglefilters%22,%22alltime%22,%22rolling%22,%22label-loc:lowsec%22,%22label-solo%22,%22attackers-and%22,%22either-and%22,%22victims-and%22,%22sort-date%22,%22sort-desc%22,%22page1%22,%22allinvolved%22%5D,%22attackers%22:%5B%7B%22type%22:%22characterID%22,%22id%22:%22768582425%22%7D,%7B%22type%22:%22shipID%22,%22id%22:%2217703%22%7D%5D%7D) with that hull, though. Personally, I prefer to use the Condor for as many roles as possible, because this character is Caldari. If I run into something a Condor can not do, I undock a Hookbill instead. Because I have over ten different fits for both, it becomes harder for people to deduce what fit I am undocking. If my character was less patriotic, I would also be using the Breacher a lot, because it is nice as a brawler, scramkiter, kiter and tackler too. Not kinetic locked. Bonus to shieldboosting. Kinda nice. Lacks that utility high I need for neuts and nosses, though, and that enables a lot of meme fits. > [@Jormungandr\_Midgarosormr](#): > > I do get bored trying to find targets. I know Eve is the long game. But it can be very frustrating to spend hours just to find one frig fight. I think this is a function of FW needing an overhaul to be more popular, and a relatively low player count, and low numbers of newer players. One thing you can do is poke the beehive, by oplexing the staging system of an alliance of the opposing militia. > [@Jormungandr\_Midgarosormr](#): > > I think if I step up to t2 or t3 dessies i’ll be able to get more good fights, actually. They seem to be so popular for FW. I have never seen anyone do anything marginally useful with those. Navy Destroyers would be a better option. Even T1 Destroyers. > [@Jormungandr\_Midgarosormr](#): > > I might even like to run the plexes on the side I mean yeah, Plexes are things intended to incentivize you to stay in a place long enough for someone else to find you, so that you can get a good fight. It is essentially like a romantic dinner table set for two as far as I am concerned. But due to decreasing attention spans, even this can’t convince people to refrain from roaming, so they miss out on a lot of fights. > [@Jormungandr\_Midgarosormr](#): > > I think this is a function of FW needing an overhaul to be more popular We’re still struggling with the negative aspects of the last overhaul. Better to wait for them to remove the Advantage system first, to eliminate mandatory PvE from the PvP-centric game mode. Same goes for 5-man sites, as those are just farmed by multiboxing krabbers, which also doesn’t vibe with a PvP-centric game mode. > [@Jormungandr\_Midgarosormr](#): > > Tl;dr I’m not profitable nor K/D positive but I’ve been having fun throwing my ships at every fight I can find, even ones I know I’ll lose, just to see what I can and can’t get away with. Targets are hard to find still. May run plexes against Gallente just to earn some LP / isk instead of roaming endlessly to find one fight. I am low key starting to get the vibe that you might not be enlisted yet. If you start plexing in Fliet or Heydilies, I can practically guarantee that you will get a retaliatory response from them. I play during EUTZ, which is basically dead hours, like anything outside of USTZ, and I still get enough fights to not feel forced to throw ships away to get content. > [@Io\_Koval](#): > > You’re not alone. Pre Uprising I had days I roamed the warzone and found 0 non-bot fights over the span of several hours. The Frontlines system helped with that quite a bit. Was good. Weird that they took so long to eliminate LP profit from rearguards and command posts tho. > [@Aiko\_Danuja](#): > > If you gank Highsec miners, you’ll have plenty of targets. Problem is we want dank solo fights against people who actually fight back, so farming the tutorial area for easy kills doesn’t do anything for us. > [@DrysonBennington](#): > > Unless you catch the unsuspecting destroyer or smaller ship by itself, you’ll most likely encounter a fleet of three or more ships waiting until you engage the bait ship. I’ve only had one gang try that stunt on me since uprising released, and they ended up feeding in one by one because they did not anticipate the amount of DPS a Hookbill could put out. > [@Vayra](#): > > I found it takes hours to stumble upon a fight that is seemingly even matched.Most often its 1 sided fights: you bring one they bring 5-10 people, you bring 5-10 people they bring 30+ or dont undock at all and just hide in station because they dont have the numbers to guarantee a win. That is PvP in EVE,nobody wants to risk losing . It is quite shameful how the game progressed over the years,I began in 2007 and recall you could roll out solo roaming in a battleship or battlecruiser with no scout through lowsec/npc nullsec and find decent fights (#I was there). Then you are bad at finding fights. Per definition if you have to leave your staging system to find them, you didn’t know where to settle. > [@Zaera\_Keena](#): > > If you want to solo with an expensive ship, get a LOKI that can keep a target at range with its web range bonus while killing it with HAMS. Keep an eye on local and DSCAN so you can easily GTFO if needed. The LOKI generally will also have a neut or 2 to take care of any tackler aswell as warrior drones. The Loki also can’t fit into FW sites because it is thicc and T3. > [@Phaade](#): > > Nullsec does not have many with that mindset. It is a silly place, let us not go there. > [@Pariah\_Omen](#): > > Yes, its pointless to play this game because solo Working out just fine for me. > [@Dreg\_Apc](#): > > Today someone gave me 10M isk after we 1vs1. He came in a Hecate vs my Coercer standard issue. I knew it was going to happen because i was checking out an Open FW plex and local was empty so i knew if something rocked up i wouldnt stand a chance. But local was empty and i was curious how much LP capturing it gave so i went semi afk he came in, warped to the plex and locked me and the rest is history while i wasnt really looking. I said GG after, and he gave me 10M isk, the fit was only 3M. So that was profit even tho i lost. This is a true story. Yeah, I do that too if I feel bad for people. But I actually check their fit’s value before sending a reimbursement. > [@Mephiztopheleze](#): > > I actually had to tell my corpmates not to join in as it was a gudfite. ![This is the way](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/6/1/f/61f33b017d0684704ceb53d0214ff306c87bc820.jpeg) > [@Zaera\_Keena](#): > > That’s for losers, > > Zaera likes to win. ![Drake No](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/c/7/4/c7476fc1627be3da18945ff9e10db4b52ea165cf.png) ---
**Author:** ![Ax\_l\_Thorne](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ax_l_thorne/32/412835_2.png) [@Ax\_l\_Thorne](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ax_l_Thorne)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2023, 5:24pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/i-pve-to-pay-for-pvp-but-i-want-to-pvp-solo-pointless/412579/91 "2023-08-21T17:24:25Z")
> [@Miran\_Tereven](#): > > Working out just fine for me. I second that. Solo is where it’s at. ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2023, 8:42pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/i-pve-to-pay-for-pvp-but-i-want-to-pvp-solo-pointless/412579/92 "2023-08-21T20:42:58Z")
> [@Miran\_Tereven](#): > > farming the tutorial area for easy kills doesn’t do anything for us. Why not? Gank a freighter with twenty billion, easy isk - right? Oh wait, you can’t do it - so how is it easy? ---
**Author:** ![Miran\_Tereven](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/miran_tereven/32/383453_2.png) [@Miran\_Tereven](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Miran_Tereven)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2023, 12:33am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/i-pve-to-pay-for-pvp-but-i-want-to-pvp-solo-pointless/412579/93 "2023-08-22T00:33:16Z")
> [@Aiko\_Danuja](#): > > Why not? Gank a freighter with twenty billion, easy isk - right? > > Oh wait, you can’t do it - so how is it easy? I’d rather have a good 1v1 where both sides end up in structure than twenty billion isk, miss me with this nonsense, please. ---
**Author:** ![Zaera\_Keena](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zaera_keena/32/449938_2.png) [@Zaera\_Keena](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zaera_Keena)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2023, 2:13am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/i-pve-to-pay-for-pvp-but-i-want-to-pvp-solo-pointless/412579/94 "2023-08-22T02:13:56Z")
> [@Miran\_Tereven](#): > > Yeah, I do that too if I feel bad for people Actually no, you do it to pat yourself on the back and make yourself feel superior, letting the noob know that you pity them and one day they may be as awesome as yourself. Zaera on the other hand just pods them ![image](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/b/5/d/b5d5a0bf236a7af9a8a060955815b2cb17d71aa3.png) ---
**Author:** ![Miran\_Tereven](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/miran_tereven/32/383453_2.png) [@Miran\_Tereven](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Miran_Tereven)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2023, 2:20am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/i-pve-to-pay-for-pvp-but-i-want-to-pvp-solo-pointless/412579/95 "2023-08-22T02:20:48Z")
> [@Zaera\_Keena](#): > > Actually no, you do it to pat yourself on the back and make yourself feel superior, letting the noob know that you pity them and one day they may be as awesome as yourself. Nah, I do it to decentivize them from quitting EVE. Then I link them to a discord server which is set up as a library with FW guides and FW fits with user manuals, because if you teach a man to fish, he is fed for life. ---
**Author:** ![Zaera\_Keena](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zaera_keena/32/449938_2.png) [@Zaera\_Keena](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zaera_Keena)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2023, 2:27am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/i-pve-to-pay-for-pvp-but-i-want-to-pvp-solo-pointless/412579/96 "2023-08-22T02:27:54Z")
I see , a bit like punching random strangers in the face then giving them the web address for self defence classes. ---
**Author:** ![Miran\_Tereven](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/miran_tereven/32/383453_2.png) [@Miran\_Tereven](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Miran_Tereven)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2023, 2:31am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/i-pve-to-pay-for-pvp-but-i-want-to-pvp-solo-pointless/412579/97 "2023-08-22T02:31:16Z")
> [@Zaera\_Keena](#): > > I see , a bit like punching random strangers in the face then giving them the web address for self defence classes. When someone undocks, they signal that they accept risk. When someone enlists in a militia, they signal that they want to fight. When someone enters a FW site where I am stationed, they signal that they want to fight me. I just happen to prefer it when my sparring partner knows what they are doing. ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2023, 8:56am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/i-pve-to-pay-for-pvp-but-i-want-to-pvp-solo-pointless/412579/98 "2023-08-22T08:56:20Z")
> [@Miran\_Tereven](#): > > I’d rather have a good 1v1 where both sides end up in structure than twenty billion isk, miss me with this nonsense, please. Ok, but why not use the twenty billion isk to buy more stuff? I think you are a liar. ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2023, 8:58am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/i-pve-to-pay-for-pvp-but-i-want-to-pvp-solo-pointless/412579/99 "2023-08-22T08:58:41Z")
> [@Miran\_Tereven](#): > > I’d rather have a good 1v1 where both sides end up in structure How is it possible to have a “1v1” in which _both_ sides end up in structure? Why isn’t it just one that ends up in structure and the other dies? It sounds like you’re talking about testing your tank with a friend, and not an actual fight. ---
**Author:** ![New\_Order\_Enforcer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/new_order_enforcer/32/387867_2.png) [@New\_Order\_Enforcer](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/New_Order_Enforcer)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2023, 10:36am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/i-pve-to-pay-for-pvp-but-i-want-to-pvp-solo-pointless/412579/100 "2023-08-22T10:36:56Z")
sorry @Jormungandr_Midgarosormr but PVP **always** pays for more PVP. If you have to do carebear activities to play the “cool part” of the game, you are doing something terribly wrong. Get gud. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/i-pve-to-pay-for-pvp-but-i-want-to-pvp-solo-pointless/412579.md?page=4) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/i-pve-to-pay-for-pvp-but-i-want-to-pvp-solo-pointless/412579.md?page=6)