# I regret to inform that we still don't die enough **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Tags:** pvp\ **Created:** [November 15, 2021, 4:34pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/i-regret-to-inform-that-we-still-dont-die-enough/336984 "2021-11-15T16:34:24Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 25
**Author:** ![Robbie\_Rocket](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/robbie_rocket/32/294587_2.png) [@Robbie\_Rocket](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Robbie_Rocket)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2021, 6:08am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/i-regret-to-inform-that-we-still-dont-die-enough/336984/502 "2021-11-29T06:08:42Z")
From a solo player who likes Chess and other strategy games, PVP in Eve is too exploitive for my taste. I original thought the Duel option was a cool idea if done fairly, but quickly set it to Auto Reject when the first day it was live exploiters were spamming me with it from ships they obviously would win in. Other PVP options all end up being who can exploit whom for the win. Looking up kill board stats it’s difficult to find solo one V one kills. Most are piles of guys in camps waiting for the next smart bomb or instalock set up for a venture kill or shuttle explosion (two of my recent low sec loses). Now it’s sort of fun to roam avoiding other players in LS and Null, but until CPP comes up with a one v one dungeon that somehow levels the playing field, I’ll never lose a ship in a consensual PVP event. It’s not fun, so why do it? ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2021, 6:16am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/i-regret-to-inform-that-we-still-dont-die-enough/336984/503 "2021-11-29T06:16:18Z")
You realize that they’ve added arenas to the game, right? Completely “even” and “fair” matches, just like you desire. Enjoy dropping money on static, generic, unfulfilling PvP content that devolves into everyone using the same optimal meta builds, and letting random chance weapon damage rolls decide victory (unless it happens that you get matched up with someone who doesn’t have any idea what they’re doing, or are such a player yourself). ---
**Author:** ![Gix\_Firebrand](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gix_firebrand/32/456949_2.png) [@Gix\_Firebrand](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gix_Firebrand)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2021, 8:04am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/i-regret-to-inform-that-we-still-dont-die-enough/336984/504 "2021-11-29T08:04:59Z")
> [@Jin\_Endares](#): > > BS! > > That’s like saying once I take my car out of the garage I consent to getting into an accident. Yes, once you leave your garage, there is a chance you can get into an accident. Once you undock, you consent to PvP. Again, your feelings don’t matter. This is fact. > [@Jin\_Endares](#): > > Against another military target, sure. > > Against a civilian target, that’s a war crime. Good thing this is a vidya game 😃 > [@Xucca](#): > > Not really, as there is no military action associated. In game, it’s considered crime. Yes in game. In a vidya game. > [@Kezrai\_Charzai](#): > > EVE is quite boring overall Then why even play bro 😃 I’m having fun. I feel like if you’re having fun playing EVE, you are in a minority. Wild that peeps pay for a game to not have fun. > [@Kezrai\_Charzai](#): > > That would lead to a better game for the majority of players, but all gankers ever want to talk about is how to protect and continue their weaksauce PKing and claim mighty victories for disposing of unarmed targets. > > (Well, except for the ones who just want someone, _any_one to argue with. Because EVE combat is so boring even for gankers that they need to come to the forums to look for a halfway decent fight.) I just know you sat in bank protection and talked smack to the reds outside of Yew Abbey LOL. > [@Jin\_Endares](#): > > You can hit a butterfly with a hammer, doesn’t mean you’re a skilled hunter. Uh. Have you ever tried to do that? Its pretty hard. > [@Aisha\_Katalen](#): > > You can be a miner and NOT be an easy target. Preach. I dropped in 25km on a proc in low in my ish pretending to be a krabber and he warped faster then Space Jebus. I mean how? All these peeps saying that it is impossible to get away 😃 > [@Jin\_Endares](#): > > I’m referring to historic Greek legends and you’re referring to video game characters. > > That says a lot… Bro we literally playing a space vidya game. Why would be talking about historic Greek legend? > [@Xucca](#): > > Indeed but the sophism lays on equalizing it’s underlying validity in terms of the type of confrontation, to any other way that is not a crime, going as far to infer that for such reason, it should prevail as same while being different scenarios. I think a distintion fits when describing the type of encounter. Nope, all PvP. Thankee for coming to my EVE talk. > [@Xucca](#): > > Sure, it works both ways. It doesn’t actually. > [@Xucca](#): > > Say you want to make a distinction between encounter types… any idea how? > I like not calling them all PVP… > Hint: It’s not just me. There is no distinction 😃 > [@Jin\_Endares](#): > > The Mad Man of Athens is the story of over estimating your own powers and abilities. > > The story goes that every day a man would stand on the cliffs overlooking the Athenian harbor. > > He would point to a ship far out at sea and “command” it to come into port. > He would point to a ship in the harbor and “command” it to go out to sea. > > He thought himself the most powerful man in the world because the ships would seemingly come and go all day by his command; When in reality the ships at sea would come and the ones in harbor would go out on their own accords. > > Be he took credit for it, believing he commanded them and thus was the most powerful man in the world. How do you know he wasn’t doing it? > [@Kezrai\_Charzai](#): > > Folks, please keep in mind that the best way to ‘gank’ a forum troll is to not respond to any post that is simply there to troll or to trigger meaningless argument. > > You can’t win a game of “define what this means” with a troll, because they don’t want to agree on reasonable terms of discourse. They just want to argue, and preferably be able to pretend they ‘won’ the argument. Or don’t respond cause they keep shredding your narrative and so you call them troll 😃 > [@Robbie\_Rocket](#): > > Now it’s sort of fun to roam avoiding other players in LS and Null, but until CPP comes up with a one v one dungeon that somehow levels the playing field, I’ll never lose a ship in a consensual PVP event. So you’re bad at PvP. We get it. ---
**Author:** ![Ogeko\_Nightwolf](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ogeko_nightwolf/32/401704_2.png) [@Ogeko\_Nightwolf](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ogeko_Nightwolf)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2021, 1:19pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/i-regret-to-inform-that-we-still-dont-die-enough/336984/505 "2021-11-29T13:19:23Z")
wow, that’s a full and fairly complicated operation - thank you very much for describing this in detail. I might use this knowledge in the future - for now I will make sure to fly smaller ships 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Ogeko\_Nightwolf](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ogeko_nightwolf/32/401704_2.png) [@Ogeko\_Nightwolf](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ogeko_Nightwolf)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2021, 1:47pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/i-regret-to-inform-that-we-still-dont-die-enough/336984/506 "2021-11-29T13:47:41Z")
> [@Aiko\_Danuja](#): > > I definitely would call that a street fight. The street fight is when _both_ sides are fighting - a little bit comparable to your campaigns in highsec when you are loosing a ship after ship but keep coming back - because a good brawl is more fun, more adrenaline, and more rewarding ---
**Author:** ![Aisha\_Katalen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aisha_katalen/32/387724_2.png) [@Aisha\_Katalen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aisha_Katalen)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2021, 1:52pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/i-regret-to-inform-that-we-still-dont-die-enough/336984/507 "2021-11-29T13:52:52Z")
> [@Ogeko\_Nightwolf](#): > > The street fight is when _both_ sides are fighting You agree to a fight when you log in. ---
**Author:** ![Jin\_Endares](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jin_endares/32/413291_2.png) [@Jin\_Endares](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jin_Endares)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2021, 2:10pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/i-regret-to-inform-that-we-still-dont-die-enough/336984/508 "2021-11-29T14:10:16Z")
> [@Gix\_Firebrand](#): > > Yes, once you leave your garage, there is a chance you can get into an accident. Once you undock, you consent to PvP. Again, your feelings don’t matter. This is fact. “Chance” doesn’t equate to “consent”. ---
**Author:** ![Wes\_Wyhunnan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/wes_wyhunnan/32/409400_2.png) [@Wes\_Wyhunnan](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Wes_Wyhunnan)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2021, 2:44pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/i-regret-to-inform-that-we-still-dont-die-enough/336984/509 "2021-11-29T14:44:41Z")
In Eve, it fundamentally does. By downloading and logging into eve, you are subject to PVP. It’s been that way since the day it launched. How is this still debatable? ---
**Author:** ![Kylanti\_Hendar](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/kylanti_hendar/32/385538_2.png) [@Kylanti\_Hendar](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Kylanti_Hendar)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2021, 3:11pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/i-regret-to-inform-that-we-still-dont-die-enough/336984/510 "2021-11-29T15:11:04Z")
> [@Destiny\_Corrupted](#): > > That means you started after the current system went live War decks were changed to require a structure in the years I have been playing. > [@Destiny\_Corrupted](#): > > What kind of pussy-footed, passive-aggressive threat is that? It’s not, its simply a comment on the fact you’re judging my in game abilities on a single line of text. Maybe if you actually faced me in game you would have a different opinion. You might still decide I’m terrible, but at least it would be based on evidence. ---
**Author:** ![Xucca](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xucca/32/373499_2.png) [@Xucca](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xucca)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2021, 3:45pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/i-regret-to-inform-that-we-still-dont-die-enough/336984/511 "2021-11-29T15:45:26Z")
> [@Wes\_Wyhunnan](#): > > By downloading and logging into eve, you are subject to PVP. Not so fast. Not in all cases. Or at least, not for an attacker in all cases. There are exceptions. ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2021, 4:04pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/i-regret-to-inform-that-we-still-dont-die-enough/336984/512 "2021-11-29T16:04:02Z")
Miners consent to PvP and ganking. Miners get FREE ISK from asteroids. They openly invite a gank, daring gankers to come kill them. Miners are challenging gankers to come find them. Miners are REWARDED for not dying. Miners deserve to die. ---
**Author:** ![Xucca](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xucca/32/373499_2.png) [@Xucca](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xucca)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2021, 4:06pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/i-regret-to-inform-that-we-still-dont-die-enough/336984/513 "2021-11-29T16:06:18Z")
But as an attacker, you just cannot simply say this is the rule. ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2021, 4:06pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/i-regret-to-inform-that-we-still-dont-die-enough/336984/514 "2021-11-29T16:06:34Z")
As the attacker, I can say whatever I want. Pay me, and die. ---
**Author:** ![Xucca](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xucca/32/373499_2.png) [@Xucca](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xucca)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2021, 4:07pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/i-regret-to-inform-that-we-still-dont-die-enough/336984/515 "2021-11-29T16:07:42Z")
LOL no. Not in all cases. There are things you just cannot do. ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2021, 4:08pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/i-regret-to-inform-that-we-still-dont-die-enough/336984/516 "2021-11-29T16:08:05Z")
I shoot miners daily. Stop me? ---
**Author:** ![Xucca](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xucca/32/373499_2.png) [@Xucca](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xucca)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2021, 4:08pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/i-regret-to-inform-that-we-still-dont-die-enough/336984/517 "2021-11-29T16:08:47Z")
You can’t do this 100%. The assertion cannot be generalized. ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2021, 4:10pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/i-regret-to-inform-that-we-still-dont-die-enough/336984/518 "2021-11-29T16:10:35Z")
Watch, I’m gonna do it. 💁‍♀️ All miners deserve to die. Done. ---
**Author:** ![Xucca](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xucca/32/373499_2.png) [@Xucca](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xucca)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2021, 4:12pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/i-regret-to-inform-that-we-still-dont-die-enough/336984/519 "2021-11-29T16:12:07Z")
You are wrong. You just don’t see it. It is not right --possible-- to do so. Maybe you forgot. ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2021, 4:14pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/i-regret-to-inform-that-we-still-dont-die-enough/336984/520 "2021-11-29T16:14:10Z")
What exactly did I forget? I’m playing a spaceship video game, which is specifically designed so gankers can hunt miners. The greedy miners are rewarded with sufficient isk, such that they continue to undock and die for my personal pleasure and benefit. New Eden is a private island, where I hunt miners. That’s canon. ---
**Author:** ![Xucca](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xucca/32/373499_2.png) [@Xucca](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xucca)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2021, 4:16pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/i-regret-to-inform-that-we-still-dont-die-enough/336984/521 "2021-11-29T16:16:13Z")
Not 100%, sorry. It doesn’t matter how you describe it. Remember EULA. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/i-regret-to-inform-that-we-still-dont-die-enough/336984.md?page=24) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/i-regret-to-inform-that-we-still-dont-die-enough/336984.md?page=26)