# I regret to inform that we still don't die enough **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Tags:** pvp\ **Created:** [November 15, 2021, 4:34pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/i-regret-to-inform-that-we-still-dont-die-enough/336984 "2021-11-15T16:34:24Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2021, 10:16pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/i-regret-to-inform-that-we-still-dont-die-enough/336984/41 "2021-11-16T22:16:04Z")
> [@Phan\_tasm](#): > > And indeed, f u is right. I play the way I want to and to hell with your totalitarianism masqueraded in good intentions. No one says that you can’t play the way you want to. But the decisions you make will have consequences. This might seem insignificant on an individual level, but the effects are powerful as a _whole_. For example, many players who played with the “■■■■ you, got mine” attitude focused on exploiting the economy to make as much money as possible at all costs, the game and the rest of its players be damned, because it made _them_ feel good. This had the consequences of CCP adding Triglavian and Drifter NPCs that killed countless PvEers, and implementing scarcity mechanics that made thousands of players storm out of the game in anger. In that regard, EVE isn’t really different from real life. There are plenty of “■■■■ you, got mine” people in real life as well. You know, the ones who will take up two spaces when parking their cars, who throw their recyclables into the trash and throw garbage out of their windows while driving, who take the entire bucket when someone is giving out free samples, etc. ■■■■ you, got _mine_. _My_ benefit. _My_ enjoyment. For _me_. Everyone _else_ can die in a fire for all _I_ care. You can be that person if you want to. You have the legal right to do so (assuming you live somewhere that doesn’t have laws against such behaviors). Personally, I prefer to live, and play EVE, in a sustainable manner. ---
**Author:** ![Phan\_tasm](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/phan_tasm/32/296096_2.png) [@Phan\_tasm](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Phan_tasm)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2021, 10:27pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/i-regret-to-inform-that-we-still-dont-die-enough/336984/42 "2021-11-16T22:27:24Z")
> [@Destiny\_Corrupted](#): > > No one says that you can’t play the way you want to. Well that’s good news. > [@Destiny\_Corrupted](#): > > But the decisions you make will have consequences Every decisions have consequences. I know that perfectly well. Don’t think you’re talking to a teenager. I’m old enough to remember using 8-tracks, vinyls and wearing elephant pants to the party. > [@Destiny\_Corrupted](#): > > This might seem insignificant on an individual level, but the effects are powerful as a _whole_ To _hell_ with the whole. If the game isn’t stable enough to support TRUE open-world then the game is broken, badly coded and should be shut down for repairs or permanently shut down. > [@Destiny\_Corrupted](#): > > For example, many players who played with the “■■■■ you, got mine” attitude focused on exploiting the economy to make as much money as possible at all costs, the game and the rest of its players be damned, because it made _them_ feel good Yeah, I just want to PLAY and HAVE FUN. If EVE can’t handle that then it’s a bad game. I don’t care about getting rich in a game, I just want to fly ships and engage other players, not play Mother Theresa with the Devs. > [@Destiny\_Corrupted](#): > > in a sustainable manner If the players have to worry about sustainability in a game it means the game is broken and was badly designed and coded. The players shouldn’t have to rectify the Devs’ phuqups. ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2021, 10:33pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/i-regret-to-inform-that-we-still-dont-die-enough/336984/43 "2021-11-16T22:33:31Z")
> [@Phan\_tasm](#): > > Yeah, I just want to PLAY and HAVE FUN. Well go ahead then. > [@Phan\_tasm](#): > > If EVE can’t handle that then it’s a bad game. EVE can handle it just fine. It developed an immune response to greed by releasing Trig and empty asteroid antibodies. > [@Phan\_tasm](#): > > If the players have to worry about sustainability in a game it means the game is broken and was badly designed and coded. > The players shouldn’t have to rectify the Devs’ phuqups. Sounds like the exact same thing people say about the environment and governments. It’s always someone _else’s_ fault and responsibility. > [@Phan\_tasm](#): > > Don’t think you’re talking to a teenager. I’m old enough to remember using 8-tracks, vinyls and wearing elephant pants to the party. If you have to go around constantly telling everyone how old you are, then your body might be aging, but you still have the emotional maturity of a toddler. ---
**Author:** ![Phan\_tasm](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/phan_tasm/32/296096_2.png) [@Phan\_tasm](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Phan_tasm)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2021, 10:36pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/i-regret-to-inform-that-we-still-dont-die-enough/336984/44 "2021-11-16T22:36:03Z")
> [@Destiny\_Corrupted](#): > > If you have to go around constantly telling everyone how old you are, then your body might be aging, but you still have the emotional maturity of a toddler That’s all you got? And then you’re hurt when people call you a troll? 😅 ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2021, 10:37pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/i-regret-to-inform-that-we-still-dont-die-enough/336984/45 "2021-11-16T22:37:43Z")
> [@Phan\_tasm](#): > > And then you’re hurt when people call you a troll? When did that ever happen? ---
**Author:** ![Phan\_tasm](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/phan_tasm/32/296096_2.png) [@Phan\_tasm](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Phan_tasm)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2021, 10:39pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/i-regret-to-inform-that-we-still-dont-die-enough/336984/46 "2021-11-16T22:39:37Z")
> [@Destiny\_Corrupted](#): > > When did that ever happen? Stop fronting. You know damn well that serious posters view you as a troll. All you do is insult people with innuendo. You’re a sophisticated troll but you remain a troll nonetheless. ---
**Author:** ![Xeux](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xeux/32/428022_2.png) [@Xeux](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xeux)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2021, 10:42pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/i-regret-to-inform-that-we-still-dont-die-enough/336984/47 "2021-11-16T22:42:44Z")
> [@Phan\_tasm](#): > > You know damn well that serious posters view you as a troll. What do serious posters view you as? ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2021, 10:43pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/i-regret-to-inform-that-we-still-dont-die-enough/336984/48 "2021-11-16T22:43:24Z")
Terrible feng shui? ---
**Author:** ![Phan\_tasm](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/phan_tasm/32/296096_2.png) [@Phan\_tasm](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Phan_tasm)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2021, 10:43pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/i-regret-to-inform-that-we-still-dont-die-enough/336984/49 "2021-11-16T22:43:43Z")
> [@Xeux](#): > > What do serious posters view you as? Ask them. But you’re a troll too, so… ---
**Author:** ![Xeux](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xeux/32/428022_2.png) [@Xeux](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xeux)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2021, 10:45pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/i-regret-to-inform-that-we-still-dont-die-enough/336984/50 "2021-11-16T22:45:47Z")
Who are the serious posters? ---
**Author:** ![Phan\_tasm](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/phan_tasm/32/296096_2.png) [@Phan\_tasm](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Phan_tasm)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2021, 10:46pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/i-regret-to-inform-that-we-still-dont-die-enough/336984/51 "2021-11-16T22:46:42Z")
> [@Xeux](#): > > Who are the serious posters? Certainly not Destiny, Gix and you, that’s for sure. ---
**Author:** ![Gix\_Firebrand](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gix_firebrand/32/456949_2.png) [@Gix\_Firebrand](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gix_Firebrand)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2021, 11:00pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/i-regret-to-inform-that-we-still-dont-die-enough/336984/52 "2021-11-16T23:00:40Z")
> [@Phan\_tasm](#): > > Stop fronting. You know damn well that serious posters view you as a troll. All you do is insult people with innuendo. You’re a sophisticated troll but you remain a troll nonetheless. 1. What is a “serious poster” defined as and what is the criteria to be one and what body agreed to this? 2. I find it funny you claim others are trolls, yet all you do is carry out personal attacks. > [@Phan\_tasm](#): > > Certainly not Destiny, Gix and you, that’s for sure. What quantifies as not “serious posters”? Inquiring minds want to know 😃 > [@Phan\_tasm](#): > > Ask them. > But you’re a troll too, so… I like how he asked a question and you call him a troll 😃 Methinks you don’t know what trolling is… ---
**Author:** ![Phan\_tasm](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/phan_tasm/32/296096_2.png) [@Phan\_tasm](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Phan_tasm)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2021, 11:02pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/i-regret-to-inform-that-we-still-dont-die-enough/336984/53 "2021-11-16T23:02:33Z")
> [@Gix\_Firebrand](#): > > Inquiring minds want to know Well, I have better things to do now instead of entertaining you so you’ll have to find someone else to answer your idiotic questions. ---
**Author:** ![Xucca](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xucca/32/373499_2.png) [@Xucca](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xucca)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2021, 11:04pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/i-regret-to-inform-that-we-still-dont-die-enough/336984/54 "2021-11-16T23:04:01Z")
I take it not only we don’t die enough, but some of us just don’t die at all. --or refuse to–. Which is kinda ok, I guess. Just keep in mind there is a rumor, some sort of voiced secret around: “EVE is in need of destruction”. And it means those who just don’t die --or don’t die enough-- are not aligned to that apparent directive. --they don’t _have_ to, so it’s simply not gonna happen.– My call is for destruction to be hardwired and not a mere collateral of free will. How? I don’t know but I’d like to see the entire ecosystem to abide accordingly or witness the initiative to perish halfway like many other attempts. Think of it as an eye opener, if you will. A conductive and perhaps unapologetic, futile attempt to reflect on the fact that it seems to be quite easy to “intervene” on the creation side but it’s a sacrilege to even attempt on grazing the opposite. That says a lot about the state of affairs. Perhaps it would reveal that --if it was the intention-- scarcity doesn’t appear to have tipped the balance towards the overstatement: “we need more destruction”. ---
**Author:** ![Gix\_Firebrand](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gix_firebrand/32/456949_2.png) [@Gix\_Firebrand](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gix_Firebrand)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2021, 11:07pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/i-regret-to-inform-that-we-still-dont-die-enough/336984/55 "2021-11-16T23:07:50Z")
> [@Phan\_tasm](#): > > Well, I have better things to do now instead of entertaining you so you’ll have to find someone else to answer your idiotic questions. Uh. You were the one who used the term? You say we aren’t “serious posters” yet won’t define what you mean by that, throw a tantrum, take your toys and go home? Huh. Welp, in light of that, I must declare that myself, Destiny and Xeux are indeed serious posters and have taken the field covered in glory. Thankee. ---
**Author:** ![Duella\_Cre\_Vil](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/duella_cre_vil/32/297348_2.png) [@Duella\_Cre\_Vil](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Duella_Cre_Vil)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2021, 11:15pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/i-regret-to-inform-that-we-still-dont-die-enough/336984/56 "2021-11-16T23:15:53Z")
I dont bother with the whole “second job” side of eve as i plex my isk. Looking at the game from a more reserved players standpoint, the issues are isk and ships etc. There is all this cool stuff to skill into but it costs ridiculous amounts to even insure and buy. Then you have a situation where a fair amount of gameplay at higher levels is either flying in gangs of trash t1 fits or cookie cut fleets of gnosis etc or lower teir ships, so not really getting a chance to fly the bling properly. So it’s like an investment into using rubbish? XD who wants to invest in putting their bling in a safe? it’s only reasonable that people want to use it. It shouldn’t be easy to just buy and fly bling but it shouldn’t be a second job either for the average player. It’s stagnant and noone wants a second job. Eve almost enters into the realms of needing a complete lack of responsibilities in life to have enough time to grind to play it on a decent level. It’s a mature game yet requires too much time investment on the isk side of things i reckon. People just don’t have time for all of that really. Time to ease up a bit on the whole second job thing i reckon. If i couldn’t plex isk, i just wouldn’t have time for this game really. I’d spend my game time trying to get isk, so basically a second job. The inflation is too high in Eve. ---
**Author:** ![Gerard\_Amatin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gerard_amatin/32/481361_2.png) [@Gerard\_Amatin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gerard_Amatin)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2021, 11:19pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/i-regret-to-inform-that-we-still-dont-die-enough/336984/57 "2021-11-16T23:19:21Z")
> [@Phan\_tasm](#): > > If the players have to worry about sustainability in a game it means the game is broken and was badly designed and coded. > The players shouldn’t have to rectify the Devs’ phuqups. Why do you think scarcity happened? Why do you think the mining rebalance is about to happen? I agree, players should not have to worry about sustainability if they don’t want to do so, that’s something for CCP to fix. And CCP is trying to fix it, which many people don’t seem to get. ---
**Author:** ![Phan\_tasm](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/phan_tasm/32/296096_2.png) [@Phan\_tasm](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Phan_tasm)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2021, 11:23pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/i-regret-to-inform-that-we-still-dont-die-enough/336984/58 "2021-11-16T23:23:50Z")
> [@Gerard\_Amatin](#): > > And CCP is trying to fix it, Trying isn’t doing. Either they fix it or they don’t and as long as they’re trying they’re not doing it. > [@Gerard\_Amatin](#): > > which many people don’t seem to get. Many people see the charade for what it is. Only CCP apologetics and the bootlickers don’t get it. ---
**Author:** ![Phan\_tasm](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/phan_tasm/32/296096_2.png) [@Phan\_tasm](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Phan_tasm)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2021, 11:26pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/i-regret-to-inform-that-we-still-dont-die-enough/336984/59 "2021-11-16T23:26:03Z")
> [@Duella\_Cre\_Vil](#): > > If i couldn’t plex isk, i just wouldn’t have time for this game really. I’d spend my game time trying to get isk, so basically a second job. The inflation is too high in Eve. ^^ THAT ^^ ---
**Author:** ![Xucca](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xucca/32/373499_2.png) [@Xucca](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xucca)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2021, 12:21am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/i-regret-to-inform-that-we-still-dont-die-enough/336984/60 "2021-11-17T00:21:14Z")
> [@Duella\_Cre\_Vil](#): > > If i couldn’t plex isk, i just wouldn’t have time for this game really. I’d spend my game time trying to get isk, so basically a second job. The inflation is too high in Eve. Sometimes it is important to know your place. Let’s exercise and imagine plex doesn’t exist. Strictly subs payments. Picture now an individual, call it hardcore player or just someone with lots of time. At some point, one would say “But wouldn’t it be nice if peeps with disabilities got a discount?” Catch the drift? There is more in Plex than just the mere function of “Play for Free” in this particular case. And for the hardcore players… I always think that those that dedicate endlessly on gaming are not always addicted, per se. This is --believe or not-- one of the reasons why I have Plexd maybe twice, ever! I know my place!. I pay real money for the game. Some people feel entitled to a predicament for which they just don’t fit. In other words, they just don’t know their place and believe they are entitled to a forceful way to achieve it. I think it’s a wrong approach to gaming. I’m trying to make this as clear as I can without hurting susceptibilities. Fact is, I am one of those who complain about too much focus on the new and not much on the old playerbase. Not so fast. The fact also is that experience and perseverance (time) _ **do** _ pay in this game but that is far from Plex’s objectives in this case. Yes, one can argue that it contributes to inflate numbers and all that but… Knowing one’s place is also accounting for the righteous. And it is right for some to have the cake, CCP included. I complain about “noobland paradise” because I believe the same effort on the new might as well achieve it’s goals without obliterating the old if just some creativity is involved… but that’s another discussion. Sometimes I compare all gaming to a Casino. If you can’t enjoy playing for pennies, unable to afford for quarters, GET OUT! The end game is a concept, not a script on a gravestone. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/i-regret-to-inform-that-we-still-dont-die-enough/336984.md?page=2) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/i-regret-to-inform-that-we-still-dont-die-enough/336984.md?page=4)