# I regret to inform that we still don't die enough **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Tags:** pvp\ **Created:** [November 15, 2021, 4:34pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/i-regret-to-inform-that-we-still-dont-die-enough/336984 "2021-11-15T16:34:24Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Duella\_Cre\_Vil](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/duella_cre_vil/32/297348_2.png) [@Duella\_Cre\_Vil](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Duella_Cre_Vil)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2021, 1:13am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/i-regret-to-inform-that-we-still-dont-die-enough/336984/61 "2021-11-17T01:13:49Z")
I mean, i buy plex and buy isk with that. I dont play for free, far from it XD What i mean is if i had to actually grind for isk then i wouldn’t bother playing. Being able to buy plex and turn it into isk allows me to enjoy the game. Oh actually i see what you’re saying. The same old boring “It’s used to be sht so it should be sht for new players too” or “I had to grind like a peasant for my stuff so everyone should have tl grind too” Yeah boooring. I disagree, even though that entire thing isn’t really my issue. Earning or worrying about isk isn’t even a thing for me, but this game has definitely tipped too far into the stagnant grind end. ---
**Author:** ![Phan\_tasm](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/phan_tasm/32/296096_2.png) [@Phan\_tasm](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Phan_tasm)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2021, 1:21am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/i-regret-to-inform-that-we-still-dont-die-enough/336984/62 "2021-11-17T01:21:02Z")
> [@Duella\_Cre\_Vil](#): > > I mean, i buy plex and buy isk with that. I dont play for free, far from it XD > > What i mean is if i had to actually grind for isk then i wouldn’t bother playing. Being able to buy plex and turn it into isk allows me to enjoy the game. > > Oh actually i see what you’re saying. The same old boring “It’s used to be sht so it should be sht for new players too” or “I had to grind like a peasant for my stuff so everyone should have tl grind too” > > Yeah boooring. > > I disagree, even though that entire thing isn’t really my issue. Earning or worrying about isk isn’t even a thing for me, but this game has definitely tipped too far into the stagnant grind end I agree 100% Ran out of hearts. ---
**Author:** ![Xucca](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xucca/32/373499_2.png) [@Xucca](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xucca)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2021, 1:23am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/i-regret-to-inform-that-we-still-dont-die-enough/336984/63 "2021-11-17T01:23:20Z")
> [@Duella\_Cre\_Vil](#): > > I mean, i buy plex and buy isk with that. Buy more. ---
**Author:** ![Xucca](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xucca/32/373499_2.png) [@Xucca](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xucca)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2021, 1:24am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/i-regret-to-inform-that-we-still-dont-die-enough/336984/64 "2021-11-17T01:24:01Z")
> [@Duella\_Cre\_Vil](#): > > The same old boring “It’s used to be sht so it should be sht for new players too” or “I had to grind like a peasant for my stuff so everyone should have tl grind too” Wrong. ---
**Author:** ![Duella\_Cre\_Vil](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/duella_cre_vil/32/297348_2.png) [@Duella\_Cre\_Vil](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Duella_Cre_Vil)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2021, 1:24am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/i-regret-to-inform-that-we-still-dont-die-enough/336984/65 "2021-11-17T01:24:04Z")
I wll XD ---
**Author:** ![Duella\_Cre\_Vil](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/duella_cre_vil/32/297348_2.png) [@Duella\_Cre\_Vil](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Duella_Cre_Vil)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2021, 1:27am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/i-regret-to-inform-that-we-still-dont-die-enough/336984/66 "2021-11-17T01:27:07Z")
To insure and fit a decent BS costs about 600-700mil. To actually afford to fly that is even more. That’s just 1 ship as 1 option to play the game. People just dont have time for that and just because the grind used to be the norm, it shouldnt be now. And vets and players sitting on trillions of isk saying it shouldn’t be made easier is also ridiculous XD ---
**Author:** ![Xucca](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xucca/32/373499_2.png) [@Xucca](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xucca)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2021, 1:28am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/i-regret-to-inform-that-we-still-dont-die-enough/336984/67 "2021-11-17T01:28:57Z")
Fit Frigates. BS’s are off your tier. ---
**Author:** ![Duella\_Cre\_Vil](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/duella_cre_vil/32/297348_2.png) [@Duella\_Cre\_Vil](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Duella_Cre_Vil)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2021, 1:32am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/i-regret-to-inform-that-we-still-dont-die-enough/336984/68 "2021-11-17T01:32:07Z")
I fly BS as a standard ship. Nothing is off my tier thank you XD ---
**Author:** ![Xucca](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xucca/32/373499_2.png) [@Xucca](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xucca)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2021, 1:36am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/i-regret-to-inform-that-we-still-dont-die-enough/336984/69 "2021-11-17T01:36:43Z")
I see. What was it all about then? You die enough?, Too much?, Never? ---
**Author:** ![Duella\_Cre\_Vil](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/duella_cre_vil/32/297348_2.png) [@Duella\_Cre\_Vil](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Duella_Cre_Vil)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2021, 1:37am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/i-regret-to-inform-that-we-still-dont-die-enough/336984/70 "2021-11-17T01:37:44Z")
You can’t read? What you need to do is get a mirror and start a trollish argument with yourself, ok? Welcome to the ignore list XD ---
**Author:** ![Xucca](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xucca/32/373499_2.png) [@Xucca](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xucca)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2021, 1:38am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/i-regret-to-inform-that-we-still-dont-die-enough/336984/71 "2021-11-17T01:38:26Z")
Nevermind. ---
**Author:** ![Xucca](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xucca/32/373499_2.png) [@Xucca](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xucca)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2021, 1:39am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/i-regret-to-inform-that-we-still-dont-die-enough/336984/72 "2021-11-17T01:39:55Z")
> [@Duella\_Cre\_Vil](#): > > Welcome to the ignore list XD Great to learn you’re already there. ---
**Author:** ![Phan\_tasm](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/phan_tasm/32/296096_2.png) [@Phan\_tasm](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Phan_tasm)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2021, 1:40am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/i-regret-to-inform-that-we-still-dont-die-enough/336984/73 "2021-11-17T01:40:51Z")
> [@Duella\_Cre\_Vil](#): > > You can’t read? > > What you need to do is get a mirror and start a trollish argument with yourself, ok? > > Welcome to the ignore list XD Bravo. These trolls think we can’t see the difference between a forum member and a troll. All they’re seeking is salt so they can feel better about their shabby selves. ---
**Author:** ![Duella\_Cre\_Vil](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/duella_cre_vil/32/297348_2.png) [@Duella\_Cre\_Vil](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Duella_Cre_Vil)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2021, 1:42am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/i-regret-to-inform-that-we-still-dont-die-enough/336984/74 "2021-11-17T01:42:08Z")
There are some who are genuinely good at arguing their standpoint though XD ---
**Author:** ![Phan\_tasm](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/phan_tasm/32/296096_2.png) [@Phan\_tasm](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Phan_tasm)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2021, 1:45am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/i-regret-to-inform-that-we-still-dont-die-enough/336984/75 "2021-11-17T01:45:30Z")
If it’s a good argument mixed in a generally respectful post, I have no qualms with it. But very seldom will you find that in this forum. All we get is childish behavior from self-esteem challenged individuals seeking salt. It’s very pathetic. ---
**Author:** ![Jah\_Ruels](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jah_ruels/32/293719_2.png) [@Jah\_Ruels](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jah_Ruels)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2021, 1:56am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/i-regret-to-inform-that-we-still-dont-die-enough/336984/76 "2021-11-17T01:56:46Z")
> [@Duella\_Cre\_Vil](#): > > And vets and players sitting on trillions of isk saying it shouldn’t be made easier is also ridiculous It’s pure selfishness, period. ---
**Author:** ![Jah\_Ruels](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jah_ruels/32/293719_2.png) [@Jah\_Ruels](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jah_Ruels)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2021, 2:00am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/i-regret-to-inform-that-we-still-dont-die-enough/336984/77 "2021-11-17T02:00:15Z")
> [@Phan\_tasm](#): > > All we get is childish behavior from self-esteem challenged individuals seeking salt. Welcome to the enlightened population of modern times where self-esteem is built upon the tears of others. ---
**Author:** ![Jin\_Endares](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jin_endares/32/413291_2.png) [@Jin\_Endares](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jin_Endares)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2021, 2:41am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/i-regret-to-inform-that-we-still-dont-die-enough/336984/78 "2021-11-17T02:41:11Z")
> [@Cilla\_Cybin](#): > > There’s nothing that marks the equivalent of heroism, cunning, stupidity, tactics or the lack of them. It’s all just ‘kills’…no ‘putting up a brave fight’ or anything like that, ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^Bingo! No glorious honorable deaths. No small/smaller scale strategy. And no significant loss thereby making posturing and challenges hoping for a backdown (ie. bluffing) worth while. ---
**Author:** ![Phan\_tasm](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/phan_tasm/32/296096_2.png) [@Phan\_tasm](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Phan_tasm)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2021, 2:45am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/i-regret-to-inform-that-we-still-dont-die-enough/336984/79 "2021-11-17T02:45:43Z")
> [@Jin\_Endares](#): > > No glorious honorable deaths. > No small/smaller scale strategy. > And no significant loss thereby making posturing and challenges hoping for a backdown (ie. bluffing) worth while That’s right. Nothing thoughtful or elegant. Just simple pew-pew and 💥 and then no way to get even. They even took away the bounty system so you can’t even put a bounty on a ganker. just lose your ship rince and repeat. How fun. ---
**Author:** ![Gix\_Firebrand](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gix_firebrand/32/456949_2.png) [@Gix\_Firebrand](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gix_Firebrand)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2021, 3:25am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/i-regret-to-inform-that-we-still-dont-die-enough/336984/80 "2021-11-17T03:25:54Z")
> [@Phan\_tasm](#): > > Bravo. These trolls think we can’t see the difference between a forum member and a troll. All they’re seeking is salt so they can feel better about their shabby selves. I mean your thread got locked for your trolling so So I guess you aren’t a forum member? You also haven’t yet defined what a “serious poster” is so > [@Phan\_tasm](#): > > If it’s a good argument mixed in a generally respectful post, I have no qualms with it. But very seldom will you find that in this forum. All we get is childish behavior from self-esteem challenged individuals seeking salt. It’s very pathetic. Uh. You said you’d kill over a vidya game and all you do is insult people. So uh, you talking about yourself or > [@Jah\_Ruels](#): > > It’s pure selfishness, period. You make like its hard to make ISK. > [@Jah\_Ruels](#): > > Welcome to the enlightened population of modern times where self-esteem is built upon the tears of others. Pretty sure its all times Ridley. > [@Phan\_tasm](#): > > That’s right. Nothing thoughtful or elegant. Just simple pew-pew and 💥 and then no way to get even. They even took away the bounty system so you can’t even put a bounty on a ganker. > just lose your ship rince and repeat. How fun. No way to get even? I mean you could use locator agents, zkills and other methods to track down the dude. There are a ton of ways to get even. The thing is, will people actually do so? You basically just want a button to push to teleport them to you at the sun so you can kill them with a perfectly fit ship for the occasion. You’re mad cause you got blapped and got caught slipping. A lot of thought is put into getting successful kills. I already know you aren’t a PvPer because you don’t understand the ways and means. Half the battle is decided before you even undock. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/i-regret-to-inform-that-we-still-dont-die-enough/336984.md?page=3) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/i-regret-to-inform-that-we-still-dont-die-enough/336984.md?page=5)