# I still feel like the "stare at dscan for 45 minutes" meta game doesn't respect my time **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [March 3, 2024, 7:48am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/i-still-feel-like-the-stare-at-dscan-for-45-minutes-meta-game-doesnt-respect-my-time/441575 "2024-03-03T07:48:53Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 10
**Author:** ![Syzygium](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/syzygium/32/516281_2.png) [@Syzygium](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Syzygium)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2024, 12:44pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/i-still-feel-like-the-stare-at-dscan-for-45-minutes-meta-game-doesnt-respect-my-time/441575/182 "2024-03-21T12:44:24Z")
> [@Princess\_Rose\_Ivory](#): > > I know how dscan works. What you are talking about above is where a player multiboxing with 3 omega accounts, parks their ships at various points in the system and dscans my venture. lol, you obviously don’t know how Dscan works. Nobody uses 3 Omegas to find someone with Dscan, especially not some lousy Venture. 🤣 ---
**Author:** ![Zaera\_Keena](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zaera_keena/32/449938_2.png) [@Zaera\_Keena](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zaera_Keena)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2024, 1:02pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/i-still-feel-like-the-stare-at-dscan-for-45-minutes-meta-game-doesnt-respect-my-time/441575/183 "2024-03-21T13:02:54Z")
> [@Syzygium](#): > > you obviously don’t know how Dscan works Maybe she knows something we don’t ---
**Author:** ![Wadiest\_Yong](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/wadiest_yong/32/426921_2.png) [@Wadiest\_Yong](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Wadiest_Yong)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2024, 2:30pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/i-still-feel-like-the-stare-at-dscan-for-45-minutes-meta-game-doesnt-respect-my-time/441575/184 "2024-03-21T14:30:33Z")
> [@Princess\_Rose\_Ivory](#): > > I know how dscan works. What you are talking about above is where a player multiboxing with 3 omega accounts, parks their ships at various points in the system and dscans my venture. they narrow the beams until they get a fix on the belt I am mining No, that’s not what I’m talking about. Any single account player with basic knowledge of dscan, overview filters and camera tracking can pinpoint you within seconds after getting a good idea of the range. Even triangulation can be done solo, but only if your target is either 1) in w-space or 2) a fool who doesn’t even pay attention to Local. Perhaps there’s even apps that replace the old Pirates Little Helper, but I haven’t done a search. ---
**Author:** ![Sasha\_Nemtsov](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sasha_nemtsov/32/393707_2.png) [@Sasha\_Nemtsov](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sasha_Nemtsov)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2024, 4:01pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/i-still-feel-like-the-stare-at-dscan-for-45-minutes-meta-game-doesnt-respect-my-time/441575/185 "2024-03-21T16:01:07Z")
> [@Wadiest\_Yong](#): > > Pirates Little Helper Hey, I remember that, Wadiest! Used it a fair bit, too. 'Twas a nifty little tool. I don’t (or rarely) use DScan in Highsec. There isn’t the compulsion, I’ve found. Definitely in Lowsec, though (I don’t do Wormholes). Combat probes are useful. It doesn’t matter in Highsec much, because - let’s face it - your average miner can barely fit a ship let alone cope with tech which requires him to be at his keyboard and paying attention… ---
**Author:** ![Wadiest\_Yong](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/wadiest_yong/32/426921_2.png) [@Wadiest\_Yong](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Wadiest_Yong)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2024, 5:07pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/i-still-feel-like-the-stare-at-dscan-for-45-minutes-meta-game-doesnt-respect-my-time/441575/186 "2024-03-21T17:07:31Z")
I always found it fun, back in NRDS Providence, to instruct newer pilots on how to use dscan. Usually one could hear “jaw bone hits the floor” 🤣 ![200w (16)](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/c/a/5/ca5c25fdfe12c0640738e9a336c87f649f32c48e.gif) Talking about an ingame tool that allows you a good level of control, well, that’s dscan. Nuff said ---
**Author:** ![Yuzima](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/yuzima/32/416395_2.png) [@Yuzima](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Yuzima)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2024, 7:04pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/i-still-feel-like-the-stare-at-dscan-for-45-minutes-meta-game-doesnt-respect-my-time/441575/187 "2024-03-21T19:04:03Z")
> [@Wadiest\_Yong](#): > > Talking about an ingame tool that allows you a good level of control, well, that’s dscan. Nuff said D-Scan is great, only it would be nice to have it as a module that automatically repeats. This business of hitting ‘v’ borders on the ridiculous. ---
**Author:** ![Gerard\_Amatin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gerard_amatin/32/481361_2.png) [@Gerard\_Amatin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gerard_Amatin)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2024, 8:47pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/i-still-feel-like-the-stare-at-dscan-for-45-minutes-meta-game-doesnt-respect-my-time/441575/188 "2024-03-21T20:47:04Z")
I wouldn’t like my dscan results to automatically be overridden. Keeping a single well timed scan of a fleet or situation is often worth more than having a simple button press automated. I would rather press the button at the right time, angle, distance and direction than to see my previous useful result be deleted by an automated repeation. ---
**Author:** ![Yuzima](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/yuzima/32/416395_2.png) [@Yuzima](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Yuzima)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2024, 8:52pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/i-still-feel-like-the-stare-at-dscan-for-45-minutes-meta-game-doesnt-respect-my-time/441575/189 "2024-03-21T20:52:34Z")
> [@Gerard\_Amatin](#): > > Keeping a single well timed scan of a fleet or situation is often worth more than having a simple button press automated. I would rather press the button at the right time, angle, distance and direction than to see my previous useful result be deleted by an automated repeation That’s worth thinking about I guess. But why would your D-Scan settings be overwritten, module or not? ---
**Author:** ![Gerard\_Amatin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gerard_amatin/32/481361_2.png) [@Gerard\_Amatin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gerard_Amatin)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2024, 9:06pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/i-still-feel-like-the-stare-at-dscan-for-45-minutes-meta-game-doesnt-respect-my-time/441575/190 "2024-03-21T21:06:13Z")
It’s an argument against automated dscan activation, that’s why. ---
**Author:** ![Yuzima](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/yuzima/32/416395_2.png) [@Yuzima](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Yuzima)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2024, 9:08pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/i-still-feel-like-the-stare-at-dscan-for-45-minutes-meta-game-doesnt-respect-my-time/441575/191 "2024-03-21T21:08:49Z")
Why should it weigh more than an argument _for_ automated D-Scan? ---
**Author:** ![Syzygium](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/syzygium/32/516281_2.png) [@Syzygium](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Syzygium)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2024, 9:52pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/i-still-feel-like-the-stare-at-dscan-for-45-minutes-meta-game-doesnt-respect-my-time/441575/192 "2024-03-21T21:52:16Z")
Because one is just for convenience, one adds tactical depth. The game is a better game if it offers tactical gameplay instead of boring automatisms. Games need mechanics that people can master to get an edge over other players and Dscan is such a niche where a player can become indeed very good at, getting better than the majority of the other players, opening up chances to outplay them. Auto-Dscan is also totally overrated in it’s additional safety-gain. Unless you make it nearly constant pinging (few seconds interval), you will miss the tackler that is on the way to you anyway in 90% of all cases. People will complain nonetheless because they expect more than it would deliver, but on the bad side the automatism encourages them further to be lazy and don’t actively pay attention to their environment, finally leading to even more losses in the long run. They wouldn’t even _realize_ how much they could gain from learning how to dscan and growing a habit of being careful when venturing into highly contested space. ---
**Author:** ![Yuzima](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/yuzima/32/416395_2.png) [@Yuzima](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Yuzima)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2024, 10:23pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/i-still-feel-like-the-stare-at-dscan-for-45-minutes-meta-game-doesnt-respect-my-time/441575/193 "2024-03-21T22:23:28Z")
Thanks! Those are indeed very good reasons _against_ automated D-Scan. Time to unbox the drinking bird☺️ ![AnSME7](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/b/c/bce04f7663b340fc7526b493f3bf4a9f2d145f9d.gif) ---
**Author:** ![Drx\_Drx](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/drx_drx/32/383107_2.png) [@Drx\_Drx](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Drx_Drx)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2024, 10:26pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/i-still-feel-like-the-stare-at-dscan-for-45-minutes-meta-game-doesnt-respect-my-time/441575/194 "2024-03-21T22:26:57Z")
D-scan is not just a button you press, d-scan fu is a skill ---
**Author:** ![Wadiest\_Yong](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/wadiest_yong/32/426921_2.png) [@Wadiest\_Yong](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Wadiest_Yong)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2024, 10:31pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/i-still-feel-like-the-stare-at-dscan-for-45-minutes-meta-game-doesnt-respect-my-time/441575/195 "2024-03-21T22:31:59Z")
> [@Gerard\_Amatin](#): > > I wouldn’t like my dscan results to automatically be overridden This !!! ---
**Author:** ![Wadiest\_Yong](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/wadiest_yong/32/426921_2.png) [@Wadiest\_Yong](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Wadiest_Yong)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2024, 10:37pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/i-still-feel-like-the-stare-at-dscan-for-45-minutes-meta-game-doesnt-respect-my-time/441575/196 "2024-03-21T22:37:43Z")
> [@Yuzima](#): > > Why should it weigh more than an argument _for_ automated D-Scan? Because when you try to hunt down someone who’s bouncing, and you’re rapidly going through potential locations, the last thing you want is your dscan acting on its own and just do random stuff on wide angle. Or you want to switch to a potentially more dangerous target. Lots of things are going on when you hunt a target who’s aware. An automated dscan would only be useful for defensive purposes, to see if anything comes within range. And even that would be automation that ccp most likely would never contemplate. They want active presence behind the keyboard for those who want to stay alive 🙂 Re an active module, why waste a slot if ccp already let’s us have it without a slot ? PS glad you got your eve installation sorted 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Yuzima](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/yuzima/32/416395_2.png) [@Yuzima](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Yuzima)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2024, 10:46pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/i-still-feel-like-the-stare-at-dscan-for-45-minutes-meta-game-doesnt-respect-my-time/441575/197 "2024-03-21T22:46:41Z")
> [@Wadiest\_Yong](#): > > Because when you try to hunt down someone who’s bouncing, and you’re rapidly going through potential locations, the last thing you want is your dscan acting on its own and just do random stuff on wide angle So you’re saying that the devs at CCP couldn’t program D-Scan to account for players’ settings? > [@Wadiest\_Yong](#): > > Lots of things are going on when you hunt a target who’s aware I understand that would require manual input but no one is saying to take out player agency. I don’t see how an automated feature couldn’t be turned off to manual. > [@Wadiest\_Yong](#): > > An automated dscan would only be useful for defensive purposes, to see if anything comes within range D-Scan could have two modes: Defensive - Offensive. > [@Wadiest\_Yong](#): > > And even that would be automation that ccp most likely would never contemplate. They want active presence behind the keyboard Then this thread is useless. Dare I say, same as most threads in this forum if CCP isn’t going to even consider player input. > [@Wadiest\_Yong](#): > > an active module, why waste a slot if ccp already let’s us have it without a slot ? Indeed. > [@Wadiest\_Yong](#): > > glad you got your eve installation sorted Thanks! So am I. ---
**Author:** ![Wadiest\_Yong](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/wadiest_yong/32/426921_2.png) [@Wadiest\_Yong](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Wadiest_Yong)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2024, 11:04pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/i-still-feel-like-the-stare-at-dscan-for-45-minutes-meta-game-doesnt-respect-my-time/441575/198 "2024-03-21T23:04:09Z")
> [@Yuzima](#): > > So you’re saying that the devs at CCP couldn’t program D-Scan to account for players’ settings? I didn’t say anything about the devs’ ability to program anything. In fact they already did program it that way, because the dscan goes hand in hand with the Overview. And we all know how complicated and deep the Overview is, lol. One of the keys to using the dscan is to make and use a filter with the stuff you want it to show - and you can define those filters via your Overview, most often by slightly adjusting an existing overview filter and saving it for use as a dscan filter. > [@Yuzima](#): > > Then this thread is useless OP shed a light on what we all know, that EvE has time sinks of all sorts, and that not everyone is happy with that. It’s “informative”. We can try to give a few pointers and lots of explaining and situating, in the hope that whoever needs it is also receptive. That’s about all we can do in a constructive way. Asking for automation is the least useful element, true, for reasons stated. That does not mean that there are no good suggestions coming from the forums (this one and reddit). Those get picked up by CSM members and passed along, maybe even championed. Key to making a good suggestion is 1) to have a very thorough understanding of what exists and why it was implemented in that way and 2) have very good experience using it in all sorts of conditions, covering different play styles if needed. btw, here’s a looooong video on the use of dscan by EvE University [Twitch](https://www.twitch.tv/ccp/video/1552289812) There’s a lot of other instructional ones on YT. P.S. dscan is also the reason for any sane person to rename his/her 😜 ship P.S. 2 I have dscan on an extra mouse button, literally under my thumb, that makes it quite handy and fast ---
**Author:** ![Yuzima](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/yuzima/32/416395_2.png) [@Yuzima](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Yuzima)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2024, 11:15pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/i-still-feel-like-the-stare-at-dscan-for-45-minutes-meta-game-doesnt-respect-my-time/441575/199 "2024-03-21T23:15:15Z")
> [@Wadiest\_Yong](#): > > dscan is also the reason for any sane person to rename his/her 😜 ship That’s what I thought about when I renamed my destroyer to the name of a dreadnought 😅 ---
**Author:** ![Zaera\_Keena](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zaera_keena/32/449938_2.png) [@Zaera\_Keena](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zaera_Keena)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2024, 11:19pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/i-still-feel-like-the-stare-at-dscan-for-45-minutes-meta-game-doesnt-respect-my-time/441575/200 "2024-03-21T23:19:20Z")
> [@Yuzima](#): > > Time to unbox the drinking bird☺️ ![](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/8/8/0/880100d4817e8a7cd5a1e2a9524062bf47aaad91.gif) ---
**Author:** ![Ax\_l\_Thorne](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ax_l_thorne/32/412835_2.png) [@Ax\_l\_Thorne](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ax_l_Thorne)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2024, 12:06pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/i-still-feel-like-the-stare-at-dscan-for-45-minutes-meta-game-doesnt-respect-my-time/441575/201 "2024-03-22T12:06:56Z")
> [@Wadiest\_Yong](#): > > Perhaps there’s even apps that replace the old Pirates Little Helper, but I haven’t done a search. RIP pirates little helper. The most useful 3rd party tool ever made. Shame the dude the made it stopped maintaining it. As far as I know, there isn’t a replacement for it. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/i-still-feel-like-the-stare-at-dscan-for-45-minutes-meta-game-doesnt-respect-my-time/441575.md?page=9) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/i-still-feel-like-the-stare-at-dscan-for-45-minutes-meta-game-doesnt-respect-my-time/441575.md?page=11)