# I want to love this game, but **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [January 6, 2018, 8:06am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/i-want-to-love-this-game-but/49452 "2018-01-06T08:06:22Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Erik\_Doshu](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/erik_doshu/32/369845_2.png) [@Erik\_Doshu](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Erik_Doshu)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2018, 7:22pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/i-want-to-love-this-game-but/49452/41 "2018-01-06T19:22:24Z")
@Eternus8lux8lucis Lol “survived” … and with such hardship … lmao And well if you can’t read through the lines and nuances of what this thread is about, then I guess theres nothing more to say for you ? ---
**Author:** ![Erik\_Doshu](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/erik_doshu/32/369845_2.png) [@Erik\_Doshu](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Erik_Doshu)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2018, 7:45pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/i-want-to-love-this-game-but/49452/43 "2018-01-06T19:45:02Z")
> [@Toran\_Mallow](#): > > I can’t read. Yearp. ---
**Author:** ![Mayhaw\_Morgan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mayhaw_morgan/32/412682_2.png) [@Mayhaw\_Morgan](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mayhaw_Morgan)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2018, 9:16pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/i-want-to-love-this-game-but/49452/44 "2018-01-06T21:16:29Z")
I totally agree with you, OP. These players are disonorbru, cowardly, risk-averse. You should find their spaceships in space and [expletived deleted] annihilate them. Get their capsule, too, if you can. ---
**Author:** ![Sgt\_Ocker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sgt_ocker/32/270881_2.png) [@Sgt\_Ocker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sgt_Ocker)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2018, 10:09pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/i-want-to-love-this-game-but/49452/45 "2018-01-06T22:09:36Z")
A “fun and productive” fight in Eve is only for the guy who wins. You win by being slightly more clever than the guy you’re fighting. Remove “choice” as an option for engagement, you’ll get your fun fights (and probably lose a lot too which can be productive) Assess situation, strike first, win or lose give a GF in local, learn from your mistakes. Hint; The breacher is known as a capable T1 pvp frigate - If you’re going to “Ask” for fights try to find a ship and fitting that is not so well known and might encourage others to engage you. ---
**Author:** ![Tipa\_Riot](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tipa_riot/32/443513_2.png) [@Tipa\_Riot](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Tipa_Riot)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2018, 10:11pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/i-want-to-love-this-game-but/49452/46 "2018-01-06T22:11:53Z")
> [@Erik\_Doshu](#): > > So far Ive only been thrown directions to how I should properly handle “THE” pvp in Eve, or being directed to the next possibly helpful group or individual What else do you expect? You came here with a complaint, how others deny you fun. Not necessarily the best starting point. If you need a mentor, then ask for one in the right spots. Recruitment forum is a good one. ---
**Author:** ![KenFlorian](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/kenflorian/32/449998_2.png) [@KenFlorian](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/KenFlorian)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2018, 1:53am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/i-want-to-love-this-game-but/49452/48 "2018-01-07T01:53:04Z")
> [@Erik\_Doshu](#): > > is maintaining your precious pixels alive You answered “yes” for three of your four examples. ---
**Author:** ![Shallanna\_Yassavi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/shallanna_yassavi/32/449714_2.png) [@Shallanna\_Yassavi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Shallanna_Yassavi)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2018, 2:47am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/i-want-to-love-this-game-but/49452/49 "2018-01-07T02:47:22Z")
Killboards do matter. They tell a story of what your toon has been doing. If you’ve got a solid green killboard with a lot of blops, I would be foolish to take the fight without brick tank, a cyno, and some friends to bring in with it. If the list of blops is consistently short enough, a purpose-made solo ship might take the fight. And if you’re inside a plex and like to fly my hard counter, I shouldn’t take the fight because you’ve already got range and all I’d do is stupidly lose the ship if I went in. ---
**Author:** ![Ocean\_Ormand](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ocean_ormand/32/206896_2.png) [@Ocean\_Ormand](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ocean_Ormand)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2018, 2:48am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/i-want-to-love-this-game-but/49452/50 "2018-01-07T02:48:33Z")
> [@Erik\_Doshu](#): > > And btw, I wouldnt be surprised if they were also fully aware of that scale of power, and chose not to go with it because still somehow too insecure with themselves and the situation, or just didn’t give a toss and kept on looking for that sweet 3/0 term in every engagement. you presuppose that they are here for your fun. They are not your bitches. Maybe pvp is not their thing. Maybe this is the night they just relax and grind. In short, they are not here to entertain you. This being a sand box, they can do their own thing. But since it is a sandbox, you also get to do your own thing - and that means you get to kick over their sandcastles if you can. So stop being a crybaby just because they wont play the game the way you want. Just catch them and kill them. ---
**Author:** ![Sameli\_Adelora](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sameli_adelora/32/17846_2.png) [@Sameli\_Adelora](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sameli_Adelora)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2018, 7:26am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/i-want-to-love-this-game-but/49452/51 "2018-01-07T07:26:08Z")
Come to Black Rise. There are plenty of fights to be had. Of course there are many farmers to be had as well but if you want a fight Vlillrier and Oicx have plenty to offer. ---
**Author:** ![Erik\_Doshu](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/erik_doshu/32/369845_2.png) [@Erik\_Doshu](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Erik_Doshu)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2018, 7:55am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/i-want-to-love-this-game-but/49452/52 "2018-01-07T07:55:34Z")
> [@Ocean\_Ormand](#): > > you presuppose that they are here for your fun. They are not your bitches. Maybe pvp is not their thing. Maybe this is the night they just relax and grind. In short, they are not here to entertain you. This being a sand box, they can do their own thing. But since it is a sandbox, you also get to do your own thing - and that means you get to kick over their sandcastles if you can. So stop being a crybaby just because they wont play the game the way you want. Just catch them and kill them. They’re all in combat capable ships, in a pvp centered warzone/game, and so am I. But yea, how dare I presuppose that they are here for the same thing … ? Or even, how dare I provoke them to a duel or even think of it as a reasonable demand for content ? How dare I call them out for craven or arrogant bitches publically for their conduct simply reflecting as much ? And how dare I login to a mostly pvp-centered mmo and expect to give and receive entertainment content for and with other players ? And also, with what kind of reasonable probability can you assume a 2009 char as “grinding” a plex in an enyo all alone for, when most likely he just runs FW lvl4 missions on his alts for his isk like everyone else ? “Stop being a crybaby”. You could also stop regurgitating that meme of a response to new players now as well, it’s getting really old. ---
**Author:** ![Jenn\_aSide](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jenn_aside/32/384682_2.png) [@Jenn\_aSide](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jenn_aSide)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2018, 10:43am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/i-want-to-love-this-game-but/49452/53 "2018-01-07T10:43:09Z")
> [@Erik\_Doshu](#): > > After being refused or denied 4 potential 1v1 engagements in a row on my FW Alpha alt, nearly an hour wasted looking for a good fight, simply for the sole reason: > > That it seems way too many people don’t even have a clue themselves why they login in this pvp game in the first place ? And would rather sit there in their AFs, DDs or Slicers, shitting their pants and being utterly gutless cowards at a single taunting alpha T1 frig, begging them for a duel in an empty system, in simple need and wanting to learn and practice even the most basic pvp fight mechanics … ? > > I mean, is maintaining your precious pixels alive, or how and what other people would think of a potential red or green spot on your KB, become so more important than the game’s content and player interaction for you ? > > I feel so much of it being the case on all levels in this game, ie. reflected by one truly weak as F. and cowardish community, and the main reason why I so want to love this game, but … the people inside … ? You are complaining about human nature. People in general don’t want to compete, they want to win. So people who play games do what will let them win. It has always been that way, it’s why people my age learned to hate the name AKUMA in Street fighter II (grrrrr pick antoher character just once you idiot, EVERYONE picks Akuma!) lol. ---
**Author:** ![Erik\_Doshu](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/erik_doshu/32/369845_2.png) [@Erik\_Doshu](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Erik_Doshu)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2018, 11:09am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/i-want-to-love-this-game-but/49452/54 "2018-01-07T11:09:35Z")
> [@Jenn\_aSide](#): > > You are complaining about human nature. People in general don’t want to compete, they want to win. So people who play games do what will let them win. It has always been that way, it’s why people my age learned to hate the name AKUMA in Street fighter II (grrrrr pick antoher character just once you idiot, EVERYONE picks Akuma!) lol. Yea well “human nature” needs to grow a pair and pick Ryu. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Tipa\_Riot](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tipa_riot/32/443513_2.png) [@Tipa\_Riot](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Tipa_Riot)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2018, 11:10am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/i-want-to-love-this-game-but/49452/55 "2018-01-07T11:10:07Z")
> [@Erik\_Doshu](#): > > And how dare I login to a mostly pvp-centered mmo and expect to give and receive entertainment content for and with other players ? Ah this one … if you really want to give entertainment, you would have just entered the plexes. I’m serious here, you need to be willing to risk something. Overheat everything, and go all in. You never know what you will find, maybe the Enyo is AFK or way off the beacon, or a bad pilot, or whatever. This all happens more often than you think. And if you lose (or win) you can chat with your opponent, maybe asking for a rematch, getting some tips, etc. ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2018, 12:09pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/i-want-to-love-this-game-but/49452/56 "2018-01-07T12:09:33Z")
Remove local ---
**Author:** ![Drammie\_Askold](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/drammie_askold/32/380085_2.png) [@Drammie\_Askold](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Drammie_Askold)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2018, 12:21pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/i-want-to-love-this-game-but/49452/57 "2018-01-07T12:21:11Z")
If you have a ‘fair fight’ in Eve, you’ve failed. ---
**Author:** ![Erik\_Doshu](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/erik_doshu/32/369845_2.png) [@Erik\_Doshu](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Erik_Doshu)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2018, 1:10pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/i-want-to-love-this-game-but/49452/58 "2018-01-07T13:10:19Z")
> [@Drammie\_Askold](#): > > If you have a ‘fair fight’ in Eve, you’ve failed. lmao, you guys are just the cream of BORING by definition. I actually really wonder now, what having sex with some of you must be like… ---
**Author:** ![Corraidhin\_Farsaidh](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/corraidhin_farsaidh/32/10994_2.png) [@Corraidhin\_Farsaidh](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Corraidhin_Farsaidh)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2018, 1:20pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/i-want-to-love-this-game-but/49452/59 "2018-01-07T13:20:09Z")
You’d think you were only in the bedroom with one of them, but then 7 more would jump in through the window… ---
**Author:** ![Erik\_Doshu](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/erik_doshu/32/369845_2.png) [@Erik\_Doshu](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Erik_Doshu)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2018, 1:21pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/i-want-to-love-this-game-but/49452/60 "2018-01-07T13:21:28Z")
> [@Corraidhin\_Farsaidh](#): > > You’d think you were only in the bedroom with one of them, but then 7 more would jump in through the window… Rofl, instant meme, somebody gif that … 😂😂 ---
**Author:** ![Sindara\_T\_Soni](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sindara_t_soni/32/242945_2.png) [@Sindara\_T\_Soni](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sindara_T_Soni)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2018, 1:45pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/i-want-to-love-this-game-but/49452/61 "2018-01-07T13:45:34Z")
Only thing I got from this was that it’s okay for you to pick your fights and refuse to engage unless you feel comfortable doing so, but not okay for them to do the same. When you ‘chicken out’ it’s justified with a list of reasons / excuses. When they do the same it is cowardice. 🙄 ---
**Author:** ![Jenn\_aSide](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jenn_aside/32/384682_2.png) [@Jenn\_aSide](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jenn_aSide)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2018, 3:48pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/i-want-to-love-this-game-but/49452/62 "2018-01-07T15:48:37Z")
That double standard irks me too. If I avoid a fight I’m going to lose I’m a coward, when you do it you are “just playing smart”. It’s like how last week me and 3 other guys killed a guy who came into our space and he complained about being blobbed. He was a member of pandemic horde, a group that once responded to our 12 man cruiser roaming gang with 90 Caracals 😀 [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/i-want-to-love-this-game-but/49452.md?page=2) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/i-want-to-love-this-game-but/49452.md?page=4)