# I want to see the Caldari Navy do better **URL:** \ **Category:** Intergalactic Summit\ **Created:** [August 18, 2020, 3:13am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/i-want-to-see-the-caldari-navy-do-better/260914 "2020-08-18T03:13:05Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![Nauplius](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nauplius/32/403015_2.png) [@Nauplius](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nauplius)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2020, 4:38pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/i-want-to-see-the-caldari-navy-do-better/260914/87 "2020-09-04T16:38:11Z")
> [@Erwin\_Kroner](#): > > Pretty sure the Matari will throw that comment back at you, being the only empire out of the four to avoid losing a single system to Triglavian liminality to date. Molok the Deceiver protects his own. ---
**Author:** ![Erwin\_Kroner](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/erwin_kroner/32/378866_2.png) [@Erwin\_Kroner](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Erwin_Kroner)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2020, 2:11am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/i-want-to-see-the-caldari-navy-do-better/260914/88 "2020-09-05T02:11:00Z")
[Looks like Union Day celebrations are going to proceed as planned](https://www.eveonline.com/article/qg4mz2/union-day-event-is-live?utm_source=launcher&utm_medium=banner&utm_campaign=NES%20Kimotoro%20Eskeitan%20SKIN), despite the aforementioned devastation that’s taking place right now. There’s even a Leviathan slated to appear in Josameto, _right next to Otela_. I don’t know, is this some kind of joke? ---
**Author:** ![Tyrel\_Toov](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tyrel_toov/32/387953_2.png) [@Tyrel\_Toov](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Tyrel_Toov)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2020, 3:44am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/i-want-to-see-the-caldari-navy-do-better/260914/89 "2020-09-05T03:44:11Z")
Amarr doctrine actually has the best EWAR for fighting the trigs. Tracking disruption kills the spool needed for Triglavian ships to get to their optimal damage output. ---
**Author:** ![Miran\_Tereven](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/miran_tereven/32/383453_2.png) [@Miran\_Tereven](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Miran_Tereven)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2020, 7:26am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/i-want-to-see-the-caldari-navy-do-better/260914/90 "2020-09-05T07:26:18Z")
The navy could stop trying to use missiles against fast-moving targets with a low signature radius, whilst wasting all their electronic countermeasures on a single frigate. We have been annihilating targets with Naga wings at ranges between 100 and 150 kilometers, as well as wings comprised of Osprey squadrons and Ferox squadrons in Antimatter optimal range. Today I watched those assets steadily push back the tide in Aband despite the fact that each Kybernaut ship in the system was worth more than our entire task force. It saddens me that our own navy does not deem it necessary to copy the tactics we have developed for using the very vessels they designed. But what saddens me even more is doing a double shift in an Amarrian system to honour our alliance, only to find this on the net: > [@Nauplius](#): > > The Caldari people are being punished by God. ---
**Author:** ![Elein\_Caldriea](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/elein_caldriea/32/221237_2.png) [@Elein\_Caldriea](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Elein_Caldriea)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2020, 7:55am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/i-want-to-see-the-caldari-navy-do-better/260914/91 "2020-09-05T07:55:29Z")
You literally had Paladins, and high tech Pirate ships in system. ---
**Author:** ![Specia1\_K](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/specia1_k/32/245286_2.png) [@Specia1\_K](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Specia1_K)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2020, 8:13am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/i-want-to-see-the-caldari-navy-do-better/260914/92 "2020-09-05T08:13:59Z")
> [@Erwin\_Kroner](#): > > [Looks like Union Day celebrations are going to proceed as planned](https://www.eveonline.com/article/qg4mz2/union-day-event-is-live?utm_source=launcher&utm_medium=banner&utm_campaign=NES%20Kimotoro%20Eskeitan%20SKIN), despite the aforementioned devastation that’s taking place right now. There’s even a Leviathan slated to appear in Josameto, _right next to Otela_ . I don’t know, is this some kind of joke? Caldari humor. ---
**Author:** ![Morgana\_Tsukiyo](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/morgana_tsukiyo/32/385507_2.png) [@Morgana\_Tsukiyo](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Morgana_Tsukiyo)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2020, 11:36am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/i-want-to-see-the-caldari-navy-do-better/260914/93 "2020-09-05T11:36:47Z")
> [@Specia1\_K](#): > > Caldari humor. It kinda gets lost in the translation. _Most Wouldn’t Get It_ ---
**Author:** ![Darik\_Acripher](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/darik_acripher/32/210404_2.png) [@Darik\_Acripher](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Darik_Acripher)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2020, 5:17pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/i-want-to-see-the-caldari-navy-do-better/260914/94 "2020-09-07T17:17:32Z")
People wonder why I get upset with the Amarr at times; truly, while I find their penetration to a Space Wizard silly, I can mostly tolerate it. But when my failings are being blamed on the lack of their Space Wizard in my life, over my own failings and ineptitude, I find it laughable that we are even considered friends. Especially when our entire existence is at stake. Naupilus, you’re no stranger to violence, so why dont you come to Caldari space and show us how much more your lasers sparkle from that faith of yours? Or are you too afraid an Achuran might blink at you and remove your Space Wizard powers because you haven’t killed him already? ---
**Author:** ![Miran\_Tereven](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/miran_tereven/32/383453_2.png) [@Miran\_Tereven](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Miran_Tereven)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2020, 12:34am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/i-want-to-see-the-caldari-navy-do-better/260914/95 "2020-09-09T00:34:13Z")
I do not consider it proper to insult our allies, but by the same metric it would indeed be wholesome if they would reciprocate the aid we have given them during these dark times, rather than scold us over cultural differences in a public communications channel. ---
**Author:** ![Reginald\_Sakakibara](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/reginald_sakakibara/32/270314_2.png) [@Reginald\_Sakakibara](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Reginald_Sakakibara)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2020, 12:49am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/i-want-to-see-the-caldari-navy-do-better/260914/96 "2020-09-09T00:49:45Z")
In case this was not abundantly apparent, anyone and everyone should be familiar with the fact that Nauplius is at best a self-serving, mass-murdering lunatic who has not, does not, and never will speak for Amarr. ---
**Author:** ![Nauplius](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nauplius/32/403015_2.png) [@Nauplius](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nauplius)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2020, 12:02am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/i-want-to-see-the-caldari-navy-do-better/260914/97 "2020-09-14T00:02:10Z")
> [@Nauplius](#): > > The Caldari people are being punished by God. > > They are being punished because, while they recognize that they have a Maker, they refuse to worship him and instead worship winds which are really just demons. > > They are being punished because they have brought the Achurans into their state while refusing to correct the Achurans’ grave errors of monism and _maya_ . > > Only when the Caldari face the world as it is, in all its _duality_ , and throw themselves at the feet of the Amarr God, begging for mercy, shall they be saved. This post was adjudicated as “being horrible”. Because I made a vow to be “not horrible” this month, I am retracting it. Amen. Amarr Victor. ---
**Author:** ![Morgana\_Tsukiyo](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/morgana_tsukiyo/32/385507_2.png) [@Morgana\_Tsukiyo](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Morgana_Tsukiyo)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2020, 6:15am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/i-want-to-see-the-caldari-navy-do-better/260914/98 "2020-09-14T06:15:40Z")
> [@Nauplius](#): > > This post was adjudicated as “being horrible” What? _This_ was considered horrible? And you _agreed_ to it? 🤦🏻‍♀️ Oh Nauplius, the most powerful chains are the ones used willingly. If you go only by the judgment of others, somewhere sometime your _existence_ will be considered horrible, and what shall you do then? To consider it proselytist is one thing, but _horrible_? 🙄 ---
**Author:** ![Miran\_Tereven](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/miran_tereven/32/383453_2.png) [@Miran\_Tereven](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Miran_Tereven)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2020, 3:26am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/i-want-to-see-the-caldari-navy-do-better/260914/99 "2020-09-16T03:26:12Z")
It would not have been considered so horrible if it wasn’t someone from an allied state salting our wounds. Over eighty percent of our systems that were invaded fell. Roughly ten percent of our systems are either occupied or being harvested. Our people are being abducted by the boatload by pirates masquerading as evacuation vessels. My brother was killed in action in the Urhinichi system alongside the entire capital wing he served with. I was not able to support my parents during the funerary ceremony because I was deployed to defend one of your systems, leading a fleet to protect your people. After all that suffering, being told that we deserve it is the cruelest thing someone could say. Using religion as a pretext for such a statement is nothing short of cowardice. If you hate us so much, have the courage to say that without invoking your interpretation of your god’s will. ---
**Author:** ![Morgana\_Tsukiyo](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/morgana_tsukiyo/32/385507_2.png) [@Morgana\_Tsukiyo](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Morgana_Tsukiyo)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2020, 12:08pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/i-want-to-see-the-caldari-navy-do-better/260914/100 "2020-09-16T12:08:11Z")
> [@Miran\_Tereven](#): > > If you hate us so much, have the courage to say that without invoking your interpretation of your god’s will. The irony is that our allies _can_ say this with _love_ in their hearts and truly _mean_ it and _care_ for us. Kinda makes it worse. ---
**Author:** ![Straton\_Technos](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/straton_technos/32/230851_2.png) [@Straton\_Technos](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Straton_Technos)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2020, 9:57pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/i-want-to-see-the-caldari-navy-do-better/260914/101 "2020-09-21T21:57:23Z")
The bitter sweet Irony of this post. If the Caldari remained part of the Federation you wouldn’t be having this issue at the moment. I for one am enjoying this. ---
**Author:** ![Tyrel\_Toov](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tyrel_toov/32/387953_2.png) [@Tyrel\_Toov](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Tyrel_Toov)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2020, 9:59pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/i-want-to-see-the-caldari-navy-do-better/260914/102 "2020-09-21T21:59:31Z")
> [@Morgana\_Tsukiyo](#): > > somewhere sometime your _existence_ will be considered horrible His existence has never _not_ been considered horrible. ---
**Author:** ![Erwin\_Kroner](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/erwin_kroner/32/378866_2.png) [@Erwin\_Kroner](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Erwin_Kroner)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2020, 2:18am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/i-want-to-see-the-caldari-navy-do-better/260914/103 "2020-09-22T02:18:59Z")
I mean, it’s not that hard to avoid doing _this_ badly. At 4 stars lost and about a 70-75% win rate, the Gallente are by far the second-worst hit empire, but that’s a still very distant second. I’ve done plenty of small jobs for Roden Shipyards right outside the border. At the rate we’re going, I might have to consider moving there. ---
**Author:** ![Miran\_Tereven](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/miran_tereven/32/383453_2.png) [@Miran\_Tereven](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Miran_Tereven)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2020, 8:31pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/i-want-to-see-the-caldari-navy-do-better/260914/104 "2020-09-23T20:31:16Z")
> [@Straton\_Technos](#): > > The bitter sweet Irony of this post. If the Caldari remained part of the Federation you wouldn’t be having this issue at the moment. I for one am enjoying this. The Federation stole Caldari Prime from our ancestors. I have no doubt that you would like to steal New Caldari Prime from us, with smiles on your faces and knives hidden at your backs. If these hardships are the price we must pay for our independence, then we will pay it a hundred times over before we allow ourselves to be subjugated by the likes of you once more. ---
**Author:** ![Heiwari](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/heiwari/32/489692_2.png) [@Heiwari](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Heiwari)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2020, 8:50pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/i-want-to-see-the-caldari-navy-do-better/260914/105 "2020-09-23T20:50:02Z")
> [@Avio\_Yaken](#): > > Can the people of the Caldari State trust that their Navy will safeguard their lives and prevent them from being evicted from their homes? I trust you have your answer now. Were there justice, there would be no tea left in the State or anywhere else. May the Winds erase their names. ---
**Author:** ![Straton\_Technos](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/straton_technos/32/230851_2.png) [@Straton\_Technos](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Straton_Technos)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2020, 11:49pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/i-want-to-see-the-caldari-navy-do-better/260914/107 "2020-09-23T23:49:02Z")
> [@Miran\_Tereven](#): > > The Federation stole Caldari Prime from our ancestors. I have no doubt that you would like to steal New Caldari Prime from us, with smiles on your faces and knives hidden at your backs. If these hardships are the price we must pay for our independence, then we will pay it a hundred times over before we allow ourselves to be subjugated by the likes of you once more. **Bewildered look** Stole Caldari Prime? The Gallente modernized your technology and welcomed your people with open arms. Knives hidden? **coughs** we aren’t the ones that formed a Federation with intentions of not honoring obligations from the beginning. But yes, i look forward to the day Caldari Prime falls in Gallente space again. In the meantime, lets see how this Navy of yours does with multiple war fronts. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/i-want-to-see-the-caldari-navy-do-better/260914.md?page=4) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/i-want-to-see-the-caldari-navy-do-better/260914.md?page=6)