# I WAS A CODE. SPACE BULLY **URL:** \ **Category:** Crime & Punishment\ **Tags:** pvp, high-sec\ **Created:** [August 8, 2019, 8:15pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/i-was-a-code-space-bully/181117 "2019-08-08T20:15:52Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 111
**Author:** ![Hazen\_Koraka](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/hazen_koraka/32/395218_2.png) [@Hazen\_Koraka](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Hazen_Koraka)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2020, 1:29pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/i-was-a-code-space-bully/181117/2471 "2020-12-27T13:29:07Z")
Seeing as I can’t edit my post, I wanted to be clear on the context - I was referring to all assets being owned by CCP (as per the EULA) rather than the bots being owned by CCP (obvious really) ---
**Author:** ![Aaaarrgg](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aaaarrgg/32/395089_2.png) [@Aaaarrgg](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aaaarrgg)\ **Post date:** [December 31, 2020, 6:59pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/i-was-a-code-space-bully/181117/2473 "2020-12-31T18:59:30Z")
> [@Fyrrenn\_Groning](#): > > CODE always managed to amaze me in it’s sense of sociopathy. I am not against ganking for profit, and even the extortion racket seems fine to me as well. I would have actually paid it if it’d work, 10 mil is a drop in the bucket. Problem is, it doesn’t work. And anyone that pays the sum and gets ganked anyways sends angry messages back to CODE and then are made fools of on their blog en plein public. I actually read the whole CODE and a bunch of messages and it seems like nothing but malice to me. Permits do work, what you are forgetting is your responsibility to follow the Code. A Code compliant miner is impossible to gank, the ones that get ganked were clearly not following the Code. I see no malice in the Code ? i however do see lots of vile behaviour from miners directed at us instead of the compulsory GF after a gank. > [@Fyrrenn\_Groning](#): > > What’s the use of ganking a freighter with 40mil in cargo when flying two 100mil ships? what two 100 mill ships can gank a freighter , i really want some of them i could really up my game with op ships like that > [@Fyrrenn\_Groning](#): > > My friend lost an Orca, the other a Proc, me just a Venture, you lost all of these in one gank ? sounds unlikely , something is fishy here . were you in low sec maybe. ---
**Author:** ![Githany\_Red](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/githany_red/32/378551_2.png) [@Githany\_Red](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Githany_Red)\ **Post date:** [December 31, 2020, 7:13pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/i-was-a-code-space-bully/181117/2474 "2020-12-31T19:13:52Z")
Is it not up to us to stop Code. They are indeed all you say but is that not what Eve is about , being what ever you want to be . We have had great success and cost them dear, if we had 5% of the people who moaned about them we would drive them into low sec forever. Btw they do gank empty frieghters especially Kusion. ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [December 31, 2020, 7:29pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/i-was-a-code-space-bully/181117/2475 "2020-12-31T19:29:48Z")
> [@Fyrrenn\_Groning](#): > > I’d like to chip in here as well. My first day of EVE was at a lan-party with some friends that decided to jump back in after a few year hiatus. That very same day we were ganked by CODE whilst mining. No profit. Just malice. The rest of your story is fine, and your stance is at the very least rational, but this really just drives me up the wall. You were having a LAN party, a **party** , and your chosen group activity was to take the barges out into a high-sec belt for some fun and excitement? _Really_? You couldn’t think of anything _else_ to do at a LAN _party_, like throw some split-screen multiplayer games up, or play Mario Kart, or _anything_ else? No, it was EVE mining that buttered everyone’s biscuits. I seriously don’t understand what’s happening to humanity these days. They’ve gotta be putting something in our water. ---
**Author:** ![Optimus\_Maximus](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/optimus_maximus/32/368882_2.png) [@Optimus\_Maximus](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Optimus_Maximus)\ **Post date:** [December 31, 2020, 8:15pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/i-was-a-code-space-bully/181117/2476 "2020-12-31T20:15:05Z")
> [@Fyrrenn\_Groning](#): > > CODE always managed to amaze me in it’s sense of sociopathy There is no sociopathy. It’s a legit game mechanic, a legit game profession, or else it’d have been banned by CCP long ago. Just because you lost the fight does not mean they are sociopaths. It is not mandatory for a gank to be profitable, and there is no system in place to protect people who pay ransoms or any other kind of fees in exchange for protection. Anyone can take your money and still kill you. It’s been like this forever. Many people advise to never pay, and regard any ship you undock with as a potential loss. So the extortion racket only exists because people choose to hand out money. No one is forcing you to click on a CODE. character and select "Give Money, and they have no way to make you. ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [December 31, 2020, 9:13pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/i-was-a-code-space-bully/181117/2477 "2020-12-31T21:13:37Z")
> [@Optimus\_Maximus](#): > > and there is no system in place to protect people who pay ransoms or any other kind of fees in exchange for protection. Anyone can take your money and still kill you. It’s been like this forever. Many people advise to never pay, and regard any ship you undock with as a potential loss. So the extortion racket only exists because people choose to hand out money. No one is forcing you to click on a CODE. character and select "Give Money, and they have no way to make you. Even as a pirate/ganker/wardeccer, I find it absolutely ridiculous that after 18 years, we still don’t have a simple “reputation” system for transactions that you can find even in the most basic of online storefronts. ---
**Author:** ![Aaaarrgg](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aaaarrgg/32/395089_2.png) [@Aaaarrgg](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aaaarrgg)\ **Post date:** [December 31, 2020, 9:37pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/i-was-a-code-space-bully/181117/2478 "2020-12-31T21:37:25Z")
> [@Destiny\_Corrupted](#): > > Even as a pirate/ganker/wardeccer, I find it absolutely ridiculous that after 18 years, we still don’t have a simple “reputation” system for transactions that you can find even in the most basic of online storefronts. well this is EVE and anything like that would be gamed out of existence in a few hours. So probably wont be long untill the new owners bring it in, i personally cant wait. There is no one more trustworthy for your surprise pod express requirements in EVE and i would like an in game way to rate my reliability. ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [December 31, 2020, 11:18pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/i-was-a-code-space-bully/181117/2479 "2020-12-31T23:18:39Z")
At least it would add an element of uncertainty and another vector for player interaction, instead of making ransoms of any type a complete non-starter. ---
**Author:** ![Githany\_Red](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/githany_red/32/378551_2.png) [@Githany\_Red](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Githany_Red)\ **Post date:** [January 1, 2021, 11:05am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/i-was-a-code-space-bully/181117/2480 "2021-01-01T11:05:43Z")
> [@Aaaarrgg](#): > > There is no one more trustworthy for your surprise pod express requirements in EVE and i would like an in game way to rate my reliability. Aaaarrgg will indeed get you home safe and sound ---
**Author:** ![Minx\_Mattel](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/minx_mattel/32/254801_2.png) [@Minx\_Mattel](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Minx_Mattel)\ **Post date:** [January 1, 2021, 3:54pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/i-was-a-code-space-bully/181117/2481 "2021-01-01T15:54:05Z")
I think I get your point, but I have to disagree. There is nothing inherently wrong with destroying spaceships in this game. That happens everywhere, in HighSec, in LowSec, and even in Null and other places (or so I have been told anyway). Is a Null fight only legit if both sides are coming out ISK positive? Of course not, the fight is even legit if both sides get ISK negative. No malice here, just plain old good fights! This shouldn’t be a controversial statement. Everyone is having fun and enjoying themself. It is the same in HighSec. CODE. (and everyone else aligned) brings fun content for everyone else to enjoy. My first fun interaction before I joined CODE. was me getting ganked, and it was much more fun than anything else I had done so far (yes, pos bashing and hauling aren’t fun at all). And just a note about malice. To do things just because of earning ISK is greed, and greed is malice. Don’t be malicious and don’t be greedy. Greed is not good. Play and enjoy this game even if you don’t get ISK positive. Stay safe and stay Code compliant. ---
**Author:** ![Hazen\_Koraka](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/hazen_koraka/32/395218_2.png) [@Hazen\_Koraka](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Hazen_Koraka)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2021, 9:00pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/i-was-a-code-space-bully/181117/2482 "2021-01-04T21:00:22Z")
What has been said is kind of true and untrue. True that without code, there would be no “content” for anti-gankers to try to stop the said gankers. However… (Code are only one of many of these sociopaths. Some are much worse). I’m not sure if terrorists is the right words, more sociopaths is accurate, but they do fit the description. Afraid to move your cargo because big nasty gankers exist that use alpha ships that you have no counter for other than use force multipliers by having MORE ships against them? Pretty much risk v reward, but also we need tools by CCP to oppose this playstyle… so… fly safe out there haulers, you don’t care (until your ship is ganked) and the fight goes on regardless. 🧁 Happy cake day. ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2021, 9:15pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/i-was-a-code-space-bully/181117/2483 "2021-01-04T21:15:58Z")
> [@Hazen\_Koraka](#): > > I’m not sure if terrorists is the right words, more sociopaths is accurate, but they do fit the description In what way? ---
**Author:** ![Githany\_Red](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/githany_red/32/378551_2.png) [@Githany\_Red](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Githany_Red)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2021, 9:30pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/i-was-a-code-space-bully/181117/2484 "2021-01-04T21:30:13Z")
Code. Do fit many descriptions, they also have many perma band ex members which must say something about their membership and the type of players that they draw in. Anyone remember the 1st group of pirates that ganked on mass in high sec one night , the next day the all got a ban , was it the zombies or something’s like that . It was around the time Moo was a big low sec pirates group with there cruise kestrel causing havoc. But I expect we all get tarnished by the minority ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2021, 9:33pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/i-was-a-code-space-bully/181117/2485 "2021-01-04T21:33:44Z")
I have no idea, but I still dont see how CODE. fits the description of terrorists or sociopaths. For the first, theyd need an agenda _achievable through their own means_, which they do not. For the second, well youd need to be a clinical pyschologist and actually diagnose the people in question; their activity in a video game world is utterly insufficent for that. ---
**Author:** ![Andresoni\_Janau](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/andresoni_janau/32/240452_2.png) [@Andresoni\_Janau](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Andresoni_Janau)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2021, 9:51pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/i-was-a-code-space-bully/181117/2486 "2021-01-04T21:51:40Z")
> [@Ramona\_McCandless](#): > > sociopath > **[Dictionary.com | Meanings & Definitions of English Words](https://www.dictionary.com/browse/sociopath)** > > The world's leading online dictionary: English definitions, synonyms, word origins, example sentences, word games, and more. A trusted authority for 25+ years! Sounds exactly like CODE? ---
**Author:** ![Githany\_Red](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/githany_red/32/378551_2.png) [@Githany\_Red](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Githany_Red)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2021, 10:07pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/i-was-a-code-space-bully/181117/2487 "2021-01-04T22:07:58Z")
Not one word more ever needs to be written. Thank you Andresoni ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2021, 10:21pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/i-was-a-code-space-bully/181117/2488 "2021-01-04T22:21:17Z")
It’s not the sociopaths you need to worry about, but the psychopaths. Sociopath characteristics are fairly common in all levels of the human social strata, and in fact, the attribute to a degree is necessary to perform many important jobs. For example, surgeons show a raised degree of sociopathic tendencies compared to the mean. ---
**Author:** ![Andresoni\_Janau](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/andresoni_janau/32/240452_2.png) [@Andresoni\_Janau](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Andresoni_Janau)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2021, 10:31pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/i-was-a-code-space-bully/181117/2489 "2021-01-04T22:31:21Z")
lol… You’re seriously trying to compare CODE to Surgeons? XD 🍿 ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2021, 10:37pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/i-was-a-code-space-bully/181117/2490 "2021-01-04T22:37:12Z")
Aiko operated on me herself, and as you can see, I’m fine. Even better than I was before, actually. ---
**Author:** ![Andresoni\_Janau](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/andresoni_janau/32/240452_2.png) [@Andresoni\_Janau](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Andresoni_Janau)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2021, 10:39pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/i-was-a-code-space-bully/181117/2491 "2021-01-04T22:39:52Z")
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