# I'd like to try Faction Warfare, but... standings (I'm at 5+ with all 4 empires) **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [May 7, 2022, 11:19am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/id-like-to-try-faction-warfare-but-standings-im-at-5-with-all-4-empires/361507 "2022-05-07T11:19:59Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Fuliare\_Cescada](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/fuliare_cescada/32/465226_2.png) [@Fuliare\_Cescada](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Fuliare_Cescada)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2022, 11:19am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/id-like-to-try-faction-warfare-but-standings-im-at-5-with-all-4-empires/361507/1 "2022-05-07T11:19:59Z")
I’ve been excited about Faction Warfare eversince it was introduced, and the upcoming changes rekindled my desire to give it a try. But… I have great standings with all 4 empires (5+ and still raising 'em). - It took a LOT of work to get there, it would feel bad to undo all that, and thereby restrict my PVE options. - Also, my allegiance is split between the race I chose, the empire I was connected to in Catch and Providence over 10 years ago, and the underdog empire I have always had sympathy for. Just wanted to share that with CCP, I do realize there are few players in my position. ---
**Author:** ![Anthony\_FatTony\_Amico](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anthony_fattony_amico/32/391106_2.png) [@Anthony\_FatTony\_Amico](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anthony_FatTony_Amico)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2022, 11:30am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/id-like-to-try-faction-warfare-but-standings-im-at-5-with-all-4-empires/361507/2 "2022-05-07T11:30:40Z")
Your only option is to create a different character perhaps on a different account or your main and use a slot there. This is no big surprise to you thought I would say this. Unless you want to destroy your work! I would not… ---
**Author:** ![Emotional\_Support\_Clown](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/emotional_support_clown/32/310422_2.png) [@Emotional\_Support\_Clown](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Emotional_Support_Clown)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2022, 11:31am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/id-like-to-try-faction-warfare-but-standings-im-at-5-with-all-4-empires/361507/3 "2022-05-07T11:31:56Z")
They want picking a faction to matter and have consequences. That means you cannot ride all factions happily and easily. For roamers and soloer omni gamers that’s generally a silver/wooden stake to their PvE heart. ---
**Author:** ![Fuliare\_Cescada](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/fuliare_cescada/32/465226_2.png) [@Fuliare\_Cescada](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Fuliare_Cescada)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2022, 11:35am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/id-like-to-try-faction-warfare-but-standings-im-at-5-with-all-4-empires/361507/4 "2022-05-07T11:35:24Z")
That would reduce immersion for me, and restrict the ship types I can fly. Thanks for pointing out that option though. ---
**Author:** ![Geo\_Eclipse\_Oksaras](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/geo_eclipse_oksaras/32/500781_2.png) [@Geo\_Eclipse\_Oksaras](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Geo_Eclipse_Oksaras)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2022, 11:50am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/id-like-to-try-faction-warfare-but-standings-im-at-5-with-all-4-empires/361507/5 "2022-05-07T11:50:25Z")
Thats the name of the game. Faction warfare. Caldari and ammar vs gallente and minmatar. If you want to do FW you cant have your cake and eat it too. You have to pick sides and lose standings with one. ---
**Author:** ![Emotional\_Support\_Clown](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/emotional_support_clown/32/310422_2.png) [@Emotional\_Support\_Clown](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Emotional_Support_Clown)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2022, 11:51am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/id-like-to-try-faction-warfare-but-standings-im-at-5-with-all-4-empires/361507/6 "2022-05-07T11:51:14Z")
> [@Geo\_Eclipse\_Oksaras](#): > > You have to pick sides and lose standings with one. And there should be a route to reclaiming those standings without giving up the game or siloing characters. ---
**Author:** ![Geo\_Eclipse\_Oksaras](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/geo_eclipse_oksaras/32/500781_2.png) [@Geo\_Eclipse\_Oksaras](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Geo_Eclipse_Oksaras)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2022, 11:52am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/id-like-to-try-faction-warfare-but-standings-im-at-5-with-all-4-empires/361507/7 "2022-05-07T11:52:37Z")
If you follow @DeMichael_Crimson plan, or hire usia, we can accomplish that quicker than waiting on cosmos or arcs ---
**Author:** ![tutucox\_Khamsi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tutucox_khamsi/32/430743_2.png) [@tutucox\_Khamsi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/tutucox_Khamsi)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2022, 12:03pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/id-like-to-try-faction-warfare-but-standings-im-at-5-with-all-4-empires/361507/8 "2022-05-07T12:03:07Z")
**don’t kill pods, don’t kill noob ships** dont do missions **the npcs in plex don’t change standings** the standings hit is not that brutal nowadays **to be fair they nerfed standing loss so much in FW that you can do it no problem** police will shot you only while you are enlisted , if you leave its normal life im old school so i took my hit , i don’t like the filthy minmatar or the degenerate galente anyway ,but you will not remember amarr is the best and holiest empire and they are allied with the weeb caldari , so you can have your amarr and your jita its like me , im alied with the weeb @Destiny_Corrupted so i can have my soul and my astolfo ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2022, 6:42pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/id-like-to-try-faction-warfare-but-standings-im-at-5-with-all-4-empires/361507/9 "2022-05-07T18:42:25Z")
> [@Fuliare\_Cescada](#): > > my allegiance is split You seem confused. ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2022, 7:49pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/id-like-to-try-faction-warfare-but-standings-im-at-5-with-all-4-empires/361507/10 "2022-05-07T19:49:32Z")
> [@Geo\_Eclipse\_Oksaras](#): > > If you want to do FW you cant have your cake and eat it too. You have to pick sides and lose standings with one. And the very rational response most players who are somewhat interested in FW will give to that is “no thanks, I’ll just avoid the system entirely.” ---
**Author:** ![Drx\_Drx](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/drx_drx/32/383107_2.png) [@Drx\_Drx](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Drx_Drx)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2022, 8:46pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/id-like-to-try-faction-warfare-but-standings-im-at-5-with-all-4-empires/361507/11 "2022-05-07T20:46:00Z")
FW requires a certain amount of commitment. ---
**Author:** ![tutucox\_Khamsi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tutucox_khamsi/32/430743_2.png) [@tutucox\_Khamsi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/tutucox_Khamsi)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2022, 9:53pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/id-like-to-try-faction-warfare-but-standings-im-at-5-with-all-4-empires/361507/12 "2022-05-07T21:53:03Z")
FW is nice i like the 24th crusade the most you enlist and a chat INSTA open with the best people EVE have to offer ( your npc corp + all amarr allied corps) nice pilots , friends etc if you use any unfuck your overview ( i can give you one, and NO , the default overview DO NOT WORK ) … you have blues to help you and reds to shot, even in HS and the better part , you don’t have a boss , you work for amarr , so you just do the F you want ike i said with years of experience in FW CCP nerfed the standing thing , if you follow my tips on the first post the standing loss is minimal > [@Destiny\_Corrupted](#): > > And the very rational response most players who are somewhat interested in FW will give to that is “no thanks, I’ll just avoid the system entirely.” yeah he probably wont join but there is a secret that only the top pilots of FW know that make it all worthy but i cant tell its super confidential … ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2022, 11:13pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/id-like-to-try-faction-warfare-but-standings-im-at-5-with-all-4-empires/361507/13 "2022-05-07T23:13:07Z")
> [@tutucox\_Khamsi](#): > > if you follow my tips on the first post the standing loss is minimal “Minimal” still translates to “absolute” over time. Here’s what all the people parroting their “commitment herp derp” and “consequences derp herp” nonchalant reportees don’t understand: I have the option of engaging with a system that (1) makes me a target to many other players and (2) punishes me by ■■■■■■■ up my character to the point where I’d be limited to a caged-like existence in one faction’s space after a while. Why should I choose that over an alternative like joining a high-sec war group, enabling me to have hundreds of thousands of potential targets instead of being one myself, and having zero repercussions of any kind for my character? It’s like I have to pay _extra_ just to have additional disadvantages. That’s _stupid._ It would be a completely irrational thing to do. ---
**Author:** ![tutucox\_Khamsi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tutucox_khamsi/32/430743_2.png) [@tutucox\_Khamsi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/tutucox_Khamsi)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2022, 11:23pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/id-like-to-try-faction-warfare-but-standings-im-at-5-with-all-4-empires/361507/14 "2022-05-07T23:23:39Z")
> [@Destiny\_Corrupted](#): > > “Minimal” still translates to “absolute” over time. > > Here’s what all the people parroting their “commitment herp derp” and “consequences derp herp” nonchalant reportees don’t understand: I have the option of engaging with a system that (1) makes me a target to many other players and (2) punishes me by ■■■■■■■ up my character to the point where I’d be limited to a caged-like existence in one faction’s space after a while. Why should I choose that over an alternative like joining a high-sec war group, enabling me to have hundreds of thousands of potential targets instead of being one myself, and having zero repercussions of any kind for my character? > > It’s like I have to pay _extra_ just to have additional disadvantages. That’s _stupid._ It would be a completely irrational thing to do. minimal = minimal like i said CCP nerfed standing loss many times they can do it for years and fix it , just don’t pod or kill noob ships im not caged at all , i can go were i want the comparison with HS WD group is perfect probably they are better in most cases but FW is the NON coms ,NON paranoid , NO boss , noobie friendly ,care free , + roleplay version > [@Destiny\_Corrupted](#): > > It’s like I have to pay _extra_ just to have additional disadvantages. That’s _stupid._ It would be a completely irrational thing to do. if you want to have all its kinda care bearish think i wise man once said > [@Why do you play in Highsec space?](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-do-you-play-in-highsec-space/330479/490): > > Low sec is bloody, but with high fives. [![](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/e/9/f/e9f2067eace1504aa425f4f8960b4e994d9c5212.jpeg "Top Gun High-Five Montage") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OxqKp_s6GWU) you can explain only if you have a taste ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2022, 11:58pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/id-like-to-try-faction-warfare-but-standings-im-at-5-with-all-4-empires/361507/15 "2022-05-07T23:58:56Z")
> [@tutucox\_Khamsi](#): > > just don’t pod Yeah, nice PvP “rules” you have there. Maybe I should also “catch and release” everyone I attack like some kind of weekend fisherman? > [@tutucox\_Khamsi](#): > > if you want to have all > its kinda care bearish think All I’m saying is that I shouldn’t have to _pay extra_ for an _additional inconvenience._ If it’s forced on me as part of an overall package of gameplay mechanics, fine. But here I literally have a choice between sitting down at a table and eating a nice bowl of soup with a spoon, or eating hot soup directly from the pot by scooping it with my naked hand, and also I get punched in the mouth by the cook afterwards. ---
**Author:** ![tutucox\_Khamsi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tutucox_khamsi/32/430743_2.png) [@tutucox\_Khamsi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/tutucox_Khamsi)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2022, 12:00am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/id-like-to-try-faction-warfare-but-standings-im-at-5-with-all-4-empires/361507/16 "2022-05-08T00:00:09Z")
> [@Destiny\_Corrupted](#): > > Maybe I should also “catch and release” everyone I attack like some kind of weekend fisherman? you loss standing killing noob ships and some pods anyway ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2022, 12:01am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/id-like-to-try-faction-warfare-but-standings-im-at-5-with-all-4-empires/361507/17 "2022-05-08T00:01:38Z")
I don’t lose anything by killing anyone while at war. The exception is killing a FW NPC corporation participant, but that requires a suspect/outlaw encounter, since war with them is impossible. ---
**Author:** ![tutucox\_Khamsi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tutucox_khamsi/32/430743_2.png) [@tutucox\_Khamsi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/tutucox_Khamsi)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2022, 12:03am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/id-like-to-try-faction-warfare-but-standings-im-at-5-with-all-4-empires/361507/18 "2022-05-08T00:03:15Z")
ok you must be right and i must be wrong since you are saying my way of playing the game is stupid and im not saying nothing bad about your way ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2022, 12:06am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/id-like-to-try-faction-warfare-but-standings-im-at-5-with-all-4-empires/361507/19 "2022-05-08T00:06:48Z")
I’m not saying your way is stupid. I’m saying that there shouldn’t be permanent standings losses for engaging in FW, at least if the intent is to get more people interested in taking part in FW. ---
**Author:** ![tutucox\_Khamsi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tutucox_khamsi/32/430743_2.png) [@tutucox\_Khamsi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/tutucox_Khamsi)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2022, 12:08am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/id-like-to-try-faction-warfare-but-standings-im-at-5-with-all-4-empires/361507/20 "2022-05-08T00:08:43Z")
standing is a old system that should be removed or reworked a lot of people care about it and it suck thats why some people do cosmos the most obtuse and ■■■■■■ form of pve in the game ill never do it AND if you are NOT in a WD corp (AKA, most of the payers) you lose standing by killing noob ships or poding , CCP nerfed standing loss and sec status loss , FW is no different from killing random people on jita undock [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/id-like-to-try-faction-warfare-but-standings-im-at-5-with-all-4-empires/361507.md?page=2)