# Idea about baiting people who are doing pvp **URL:** \ **Category:** Warfare & Tactics\ **Created:** [August 14, 2020, 7:08pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/idea-about-baiting-people-who-are-doing-pvp/260367 "2020-08-14T19:08:09Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 16\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![The\_Dungeon\_Master](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/the_dungeon_master/32/314791_2.png) [@The\_Dungeon\_Master](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/The_Dungeon_Master)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2020, 7:08pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/idea-about-baiting-people-who-are-doing-pvp/260367/1 "2020-08-14T19:08:10Z")
Is it possible to have a Venture sitting out in an asteroid belt, mining and waiting to be shot at, while I cloak a cruiser nearby, waiting to shoot? ---
**Author:** ![Brun\_Warbear](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/brun_warbear/32/380353_2.png) [@Brun\_Warbear](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Brun_Warbear)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2020, 7:13pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/idea-about-baiting-people-who-are-doing-pvp/260367/2 "2020-08-14T19:13:55Z")
It’s possible but it won’t work. If you’re in highsec they know they’re going to die to concord so they’re already sacrificing their ship. Cloaks come with a targeting penalty. They’ll have killed your venture and gone before you can do anything. Or, in lowsec, have killed your venture and your cruiser before you can do anything. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Dungeon\_Master](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/the_dungeon_master/32/314791_2.png) [@The\_Dungeon\_Master](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/The_Dungeon_Master)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2020, 7:17pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/idea-about-baiting-people-who-are-doing-pvp/260367/3 "2020-08-14T19:17:21Z")
Is there any way to bait people with a bigger ship, or hide behind a rock instead of cloaking? Or should I just keep a warp scrambler ready for if a destroyer or frigate arrives, and leave the venture in a station? ---
**Author:** ![Celine\_Sophia\_Maricadie](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/celine_sophia_maricadie/32/178829_2.png) [@Celine\_Sophia\_Maricadie](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Celine_Sophia_Maricadie)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2020, 7:31pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/idea-about-baiting-people-who-are-doing-pvp/260367/4 "2020-08-14T19:31:26Z")
> [@The\_Dungeon\_Master](#): > > hide behind a rock This sort of thing isn’t a game mechanic. It’s not based on line-of-sight. It’s based on ship’s sensors and the only thing that hides you from that is cloaking. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Dungeon\_Master](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/the_dungeon_master/32/314791_2.png) [@The\_Dungeon\_Master](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/The_Dungeon_Master)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2020, 7:34pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/idea-about-baiting-people-who-are-doing-pvp/260367/5 "2020-08-14T19:34:28Z")
What if I just sit there and stop small people from warping, and run from groups or big people? I can probably take down 1-2 destroyers from my Omen. ---
**Author:** ![Scoots\_Choco](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/scoots_choco/32/262262_2.png) [@Scoots\_Choco](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Scoots_Choco)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2020, 7:44pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/idea-about-baiting-people-who-are-doing-pvp/260367/6 "2020-08-14T19:44:40Z")
> [@The\_Dungeon\_Master](#): > > I can probably take down 1-2 destroyers from my Omen. From the way you’re talking, I’d reckon you are too inexperienced in pvp for that to happen. You also need a lot more specifics on this. - Are you gonna be mining in high sec? low sec? null sec? - How is your Venture gonna be fit? (if it pops too fast, you may not even have time to lock the ganker before he’s gone) - Have you considered whether your cruiser is fit properly to handle the gankers by itself? (you’ll just be feeding 2 kills instead of 1) etc. etc. You may be able to bait people, but you’re gonna be doing a lot of waiting because most people won’t usually waste their time on Ventures. ---
**Author:** ![Haulie\_Berry](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/haulie_berry/32/388021_2.png) [@Haulie\_Berry](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Haulie_Berry)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2020, 7:53pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/idea-about-baiting-people-who-are-doing-pvp/260367/7 "2020-08-14T19:53:56Z")
> [@The\_Dungeon\_Master](#): > > Is it possible to have a Venture sitting out in an asteroid belt, mining and waiting to be shot at, while I cloak a cruiser nearby, waiting to shoot? Baiting is absolutely a thing. The _precise_ tactic you’re describing probably won’t work because (amongst other issues) decloaking most ships comes with a targeting delay, but yes, with some adjustments, using a seemingly helpless non-combat ship as bait can absolutely be a thing. You’ll see a similar tactic sometimes with some bomber/blops fleets, where a juicy-looking, but heavily tanked bait ship is used to lure in an engagement that the bombers bridge on top of. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Dungeon\_Master](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/the_dungeon_master/32/314791_2.png) [@The\_Dungeon\_Master](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/The_Dungeon_Master)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2020, 7:56pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/idea-about-baiting-people-who-are-doing-pvp/260367/8 "2020-08-14T19:56:16Z")
> [@Scoots\_Choco](#): > > From the way you’re talking, I’d reckon you are too inexperienced in pvp for that to happen. I am inexperienced, I am new at the game but I want to try to do pvp. > [@Scoots\_Choco](#): > > Are you gonna be mining in high sec? low sec? null sec? I will be in low sec > [@Scoots\_Choco](#): > > How is your Venture gonna be fit? (if it pops too fast, you may not even have time to lock the ganker before he’s gone) I will put miners in the high slots, resits and armor increases in the low slots > [@Scoots\_Choco](#): > > Have you considered whether your cruiser is fit properly to handle the gankers by itself? (you’ll just be feeding 2 kills instead of 1) I got people to recommend fittings for my Omen yesterday in the corp chat > [@Scoots\_Choco](#): > > You may be able to bait people, but you’re gonna be doing a lot of waiting because most people won’t usually waste their time on Ventures. I have a badger also, if that is better ---
**Author:** ![Dravick\_Afterthought](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dravick_afterthought/32/282017_2.png) [@Dravick\_Afterthought](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dravick_Afterthought)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2020, 8:15pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/idea-about-baiting-people-who-are-doing-pvp/260367/9 "2020-08-14T20:15:46Z")
> [@Haulie\_Berry](#): > > Baiting is absolutely a thing. The _precise_ tactic you’re describing probably won’t work because (amongst other issues) decloaking most ships comes with a targeting delay, but yes, with some adjustments, using a seemingly helpless non-combat ship as bait can absolutely be a thing. Having fallen for this myself in my wormhole, I can absolutely confirm that a bait ship works - but it’s possible to counter this with another ship of your own - bait ship is attacked by you, bait ship’s companion uncloaks and attacks you, your companion uncloaks and attacks the attacker. I did this the other day in my wormhole - both I and the attacker died, but his ship was worth twice the isk of mine… And it was **fun**! which is the only thing that actually matters 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![The\_Dungeon\_Master](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/the_dungeon_master/32/314791_2.png) [@The\_Dungeon\_Master](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/The_Dungeon_Master)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2020, 8:27pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/idea-about-baiting-people-who-are-doing-pvp/260367/10 "2020-08-14T20:27:14Z")
> [@Dravick\_Afterthought](#): > > I can absolutely confirm that a bait ship works - but it’s possible to counter this with another ship of your own - bait ship is attacked by you, bait ship’s companion uncloaks and attacks you, your companion uncloaks and attacks the attacker. I did this the other day in my wormhole - both I and the attacker died, but his ship was worth twice the isk of mine… So I should try to get 3-4 other people to help defend a bait ship? ---
**Author:** ![Alistair\_Atreides](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/alistair_atreides/32/267403_2.png) [@Alistair\_Atreides](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Alistair_Atreides)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2020, 9:10pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/idea-about-baiting-people-who-are-doing-pvp/260367/11 "2020-08-14T21:10:52Z")
> [@The\_Dungeon\_Master](#): > > So I should try to get 3-4 other people to help defend a bait ship? Yeah. Sent you a PM. Seems like youd be right up the alley for bait proc low sec ice mining 😏 ---
**Author:** ![Brun\_Warbear](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/brun_warbear/32/380353_2.png) [@Brun\_Warbear](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Brun_Warbear)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2020, 10:39pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/idea-about-baiting-people-who-are-doing-pvp/260367/12 "2020-08-14T22:39:45Z")
If you wanna get PvP experience find a Low or nullsec PvP corp and tag along on some roams. You’ll pick up the basics quickly. ---
**Author:** ![MB\_ThePhotographer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mb_thephotographer/32/373722_2.png) [@MB\_ThePhotographer](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/MB_ThePhotographer)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2020, 12:20am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/idea-about-baiting-people-who-are-doing-pvp/260367/13 "2020-08-15T00:20:14Z")
> [@Scoots\_Choco](#): > > From the way you’re talking, I’d reckon you are too inexperienced in pvp for that to happen. That might be true, but I LIKE the way this guy thinks! @The_Dungeon_Master I hope you go far! Makes me wish I had more time to play. ---
**Author:** ![Dravick\_Afterthought](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dravick_afterthought/32/282017_2.png) [@Dravick\_Afterthought](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dravick_Afterthought)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2020, 8:45am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/idea-about-baiting-people-who-are-doing-pvp/260367/14 "2020-08-15T08:45:40Z")
> [@The\_Dungeon\_Master](#): > > So I should try to get 3-4 other people to help defend a bait ship? Not necessarily. I just have 1 alt hidden (multiboxing). If the opposition looks too strong I let the (cheap) bait ship die, and keep the (expensive) alt hidden. ---
**Author:** ![Gerard\_Amatin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gerard_amatin/32/481361_2.png) [@Gerard\_Amatin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gerard_Amatin)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2020, 8:38pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/idea-about-baiting-people-who-are-doing-pvp/260367/15 "2020-08-15T20:38:19Z")
> [@The\_Dungeon\_Master](#): > > Is it possible to have a Venture sitting out in an asteroid belt, mining and waiting to be shot at, while I cloak a cruiser nearby, waiting to shoot? While it is possible to bait with a mining ship, I would recommend a Procurer instead. Ventures are really good at getting away and warping off quickly, not so much at staying alive when shot at. Procurer is created for staying alive when shot at. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![system](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/4/1/41ec4921cbaca7a6f9ea556e7cc20018461eae5e.png) [@system](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/system)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2020, 8:38pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/idea-about-baiting-people-who-are-doing-pvp/260367/16 "2020-11-13T20:38:22Z")
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