# Idiot Player Please Ignore **URL:** \ **Category:** Out Of Pod Experience\ **Created:** [February 17, 2019, 7:23am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/idiot-player-please-ignore/140568 "2019-02-17T07:23:46Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![Brisc\_Rubal](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/brisc_rubal/32/374307_2.png) [@Brisc\_Rubal](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Brisc_Rubal)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2019, 5:52pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/idiot-player-please-ignore/140568/81 "2019-02-17T17:52:52Z")
> [@EVGA\_Max](#): > > Then unless u can provide proof i.e a text log, you responses are like his post, your opinion, I can claim to have spoken to Jesus last night, doesn’t make it true. > > Provide proof, not statements LOL, ok. ---
**Author:** ![EVGA\_Max](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/evga_max/32/119391_2.png) [@EVGA\_Max](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/EVGA_Max)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2019, 5:53pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/idiot-player-please-ignore/140568/82 "2019-02-17T17:53:20Z")
I shall await your proof with the keenest anticipation. ---
**Author:** ![Nicolai\_Serkanner](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nicolai_serkanner/32/358049_2.png) [@Nicolai\_Serkanner](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nicolai_Serkanner)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2019, 5:58pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/idiot-player-please-ignore/140568/83 "2019-02-17T17:58:14Z")
> [@EVGA\_Max](#): > > Make up who you are? > Laughing is trolling? > > Starting a post with a derisive “ha ha” is trolling, it is offensive. > > I literally looked you up in-game, I can see who you are, i literally said “my guess” is that you had griefer alts. It was a “guess” not fact. > > I am now going to stop responding to you, you are a troll and simply because your corp is dead, you have no one to speak to so you attack people on the forums. Thanks for the chats Jesus wept, you’re an idiot. ---
**Author:** ![Sirran\_The\_Lunatic](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sirran_the_lunatic/32/209090_2.png) [@Sirran\_The\_Lunatic](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sirran_The_Lunatic)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2019, 5:58pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/idiot-player-please-ignore/140568/84 "2019-02-17T17:58:57Z")
> [@Chan\_aar](#): > > being _sexy enough_ I think you’re right, I was tin-foil-hatting a bit too much in that assumption. Your points are more likely to be the culprit of the terrible pve. EVE is pvp-centric, so I can see it being largely ignored in favor of the things that make the game famous (pvp, large and small scale). I hadn’t thought of the dev tools. Has that ever been asked at a Fan Fest? As in, a player asking devs directly if their dev tools for certain aspects of the game (re: pve) have completely lagged? I do still stand by my statement that ■■■■ pve is driving plex sales and “why screw with a cash cow” kind of mentality. I would urge ccp to make that change and do the right thing, it’d win over a lot of \<3s. ---
**Author:** ![EVGA\_Max](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/evga_max/32/119391_2.png) [@EVGA\_Max](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/EVGA_Max)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2019, 6:00pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/idiot-player-please-ignore/140568/85 "2019-02-17T18:00:27Z")
Okay dude, I bow to superior talent. Another person I will NEVER respond to. ---
**Author:** ![Brisc\_Rubal](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/brisc_rubal/32/374307_2.png) [@Brisc\_Rubal](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Brisc_Rubal)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2019, 6:01pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/idiot-player-please-ignore/140568/86 "2019-02-17T18:01:32Z")
> [@EVGA\_Max](#): > > I shall await your proof with the keenest anticipation. You’re just going to have to take my word for it. ---
**Author:** ![EVGA\_Max](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/evga_max/32/119391_2.png) [@EVGA\_Max](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/EVGA_Max)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2019, 6:02pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/idiot-player-please-ignore/140568/87 "2019-02-17T18:02:45Z")
I don’t trust the CSM at all, Human nature being what it is so no, if you claim his “opinion” is false and u know this for a “fact” then i suggest you provide proof or retract your earlier statement ? ---
**Author:** ![Brisc\_Rubal](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/brisc_rubal/32/374307_2.png) [@Brisc\_Rubal](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Brisc_Rubal)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2019, 6:08pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/idiot-player-please-ignore/140568/88 "2019-02-17T18:08:25Z")
> [@EVGA\_Max](#): > > I don’t trust the CSM at all, Human nature being what it is so no, if you claim his “opinion” is false and u know this for a “fact” then i suggest you provide proof or retract your earlier statement ? You don’t have to trust the CSM to accept at face value what I am telling you. If what this guy is claiming is accurate, I would say that. I am saying it isn’t, because it’s not. You want proof, and I can’t give you proof because my specific conversations with people are NDAed, and I’m not wearing a wire every time I talk with folks. So, you can take the guessing and conspiracy theories of a guy with no inside information, or somebody who has been talking to folks and was there when they announced the sale. ---
**Author:** ![Captain\_C0ld](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/captain_c0ld/32/471894_2.png) [@Captain\_C0ld](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Captain_C0ld)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2019, 6:14pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/idiot-player-please-ignore/140568/89 "2019-02-17T18:14:40Z")
So you expect CCP would tell you “Yes, we made a deal with PA, but we are keeping the community in the dark, because you know, Jita riots and all that…” Not saying they did that, just giving you an example how all this looks, saying being close to them make you right. You sound like a CIA clerk, who believes they tell him everything. ---
**Author:** ![EVGA\_Max](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/evga_max/32/119391_2.png) [@EVGA\_Max](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/EVGA_Max)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2019, 6:15pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/idiot-player-please-ignore/140568/90 "2019-02-17T18:15:03Z")
OH I am with u, Ofc we know this is not true, but without proof we are simply guessing. ---
**Author:** ![Brisc\_Rubal](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/brisc_rubal/32/374307_2.png) [@Brisc\_Rubal](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Brisc_Rubal)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2019, 6:18pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/idiot-player-please-ignore/140568/91 "2019-02-17T18:18:54Z")
> [@Captain\_C0ld](#): > > So you expect CCP would tell you “Yes, we made a deal with PA, but we are keeping the community in the dark, because you know, Jita riots and all that…” I would expect that if PA was meddling in the game, that some of the Devs would resent this, and they would have no problems telling us over beers that all of the missteps that the game has made were somebody else’s fault. CCP isn’t some monolith. The devs are people, and that’s who we talk to and have relationships with. I wouldn’t come here and sat “PA is not meddling” if I had ever heard anybody say that PA is meddling. ---
**Author:** ![Helena\_Gudwin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/helena_gudwin/32/120211_2.png) [@Helena\_Gudwin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Helena_Gudwin)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2019, 6:19pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/idiot-player-please-ignore/140568/92 "2019-02-17T18:19:12Z")
well done, you completely missed every nuanced point he made. Well done for being a hero!!! ---
**Author:** ![EVGA\_Max](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/evga_max/32/119391_2.png) [@EVGA\_Max](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/EVGA_Max)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2019, 6:21pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/idiot-player-please-ignore/140568/93 "2019-02-17T18:21:53Z")
No but with your comments, you sound like a MI5 spy holding onto state secrets “i know this to be un-true but i can’t tell you how I know” As I said, you kinda need to think about what you say, being CSM and all that 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Brisc\_Rubal](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/brisc_rubal/32/374307_2.png) [@Brisc\_Rubal](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Brisc_Rubal)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2019, 6:26pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/idiot-player-please-ignore/140568/94 "2019-02-17T18:26:52Z")
> [@EVGA\_Max](#): > > No but with your comments, you sound like a MI5 spy holding onto state secrets “i know this to be un-true but i can’t tell you how I know” As I said, you kinda need to think about what you say, being CSM and all that The NDA is the NDA. Sorry. Like I said, you can either take the assumptions of a guy who made a video but has no real information besides supposition at face value, or you can take my word, knowing that I talk to the Devs every day, I literally asked them this question last night, I’m sitting in Iceland right now, and I’m accountable to voters for what I say. It’s up to you to decide who is more credible. ---
**Author:** ![Zachri](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zachri/32/69948_2.png) [@Zachri](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zachri)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2019, 6:27pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/idiot-player-please-ignore/140568/95 "2019-02-17T18:27:59Z")
While the video data is flawed and partially a stretch, he’s not wrong. It’s how simple changes in foundation concepts result in product level targets without that level needing to be aware of the actual goals. He’s a tad over the edge on details, but the observed pattern is correct, more importantly, straight out of the textbook. @Brisc_Rubal You’re asking the right questions but you’re asking the wrong level. I’m sure you can think of an alternate approach to the product level to distill an analysis from their answers to different questions, but I’m unconvinced that such an approach would be within the scope of CSM’s mandate or its position. Quite possibly that’s a consideration to make before taking any further step. Keep in mind however, there’s ample history of actual decision points entering the mix but providing incorrect / incomplete statements determined by strategy directives (managing the CSM as a construct is marketing after all). It’ll be interesting to see for players what pops up once a few people’s NDA’s start expiring. That said, I do believe that any tangible answer to questions with sufficient pressure would take CSM back to CCP’s perception issue of stakeholder concepts, as such any such “clear” answer - if it magically become possible for product level to provide such - would by default be under NDA. Do a litte concept test with something innocent. Say, demographics metrics. What is focal in tracking & accountancy, accounts or humans? 🙂 Also, don’t forget, you’re part of a controlled messaging dynamic, that imposes behavioural bias limitations. Perfectly human, but it is rare to see CSM members punch through this, the last one being Ripard Teg / Jester’s Trek. > [@Brisc\_Rubal](#): > > I’m accountable to voters for what I say. Heh, out of Hilmar’s directives - watch what they do, not what they say. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![EVGA\_Max](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/evga_max/32/119391_2.png) [@EVGA\_Max](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/EVGA_Max)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2019, 6:28pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/idiot-player-please-ignore/140568/96 "2019-02-17T18:28:57Z")
Oh I’d rather take your word of course but yeh, spy stuff 😛 ---
**Author:** ![Tipa\_Riot](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tipa_riot/32/443513_2.png) [@Tipa\_Riot](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Tipa_Riot)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2019, 6:32pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/idiot-player-please-ignore/140568/97 "2019-02-17T18:32:23Z")
What I (and probably others) would like to know the most is, how does this recent disconnect between CCP/developers and the EvE community come? ---
**Author:** ![Zachri](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zachri/32/69948_2.png) [@Zachri](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zachri)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2019, 6:34pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/idiot-player-please-ignore/140568/98 "2019-02-17T18:34:17Z")
> [@Tipa\_Riot](#): > > What I (and probably others) would like to know the most is, how does this recent disconnect between CCP/developers and the EvE community come from? What disconnect? CCP’s more careful and deliberate in tracking and measuring than ever, in spite of its employee / resource volume still [going down](https://venturebeat.com/2018/09/06/black-desert-online-creator-pearl-abyss-acquires-eve-online-maker-ccp-games-for-425-million/). ---
**Author:** ![Tipa\_Riot](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tipa_riot/32/443513_2.png) [@Tipa\_Riot](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Tipa_Riot)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2019, 6:36pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/idiot-player-please-ignore/140568/99 "2019-02-17T18:36:54Z")
> [@Zachri](#): > > in spite of its employee / resource volume still [going down](https://venturebeat.com/2018/09/06/black-desert-online-creator-pearl-abyss-acquires-eve-online-maker-ccp-games-for-425-million/). This is maybe the answer, vets go, early talents with no EvE knowledge and marketing guys take over. Hilmar is rich now, this will have influence on his passions. ---
**Author:** ![Nicolai\_Serkanner](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nicolai_serkanner/32/358049_2.png) [@Nicolai\_Serkanner](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nicolai_Serkanner)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2019, 6:38pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/idiot-player-please-ignore/140568/100 "2019-02-17T18:38:35Z")
> [@Brisc\_Rubal](#): > > and I’m accountable to voters for what I say. LOL … accountable to eve online voters! LOL! [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/idiot-player-please-ignore/140568.md?page=4) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/idiot-player-please-ignore/140568.md?page=6)