# If EVE was invaded by the Imperium of Man **URL:** \ **Category:** Out Of Pod Experience\ **Created:** [July 8, 2019, 9:26pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/if-eve-was-invaded-by-the-imperium-of-man/173473 "2019-07-08T21:26:58Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2019, 5:22pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/if-eve-was-invaded-by-the-imperium-of-man/173473/61 "2019-07-10T17:22:02Z")
> [@Vanar\_Samukan](#): > > Only a million astartes? Where does that figure come from? Several canonical sources state there are 1000 Chapters of 1000 Marines. The specific number varies, but within the limits set by the Index Astartes specifically to avoid the sheer power of a Legion under the command of one person since the Horus Heresy. Likewise many sources are implicit that those foes you mention are held back… barely. The Imperium has actually yet to defeat a non-human foe that is actually a direct threat to the Imperium. Even the Tau, who are a tiny Empire by comparison are in no immeadiate danger of exterminatus. > [@Vanar\_Samukan](#): > > I just keep thinking about what a single bolter would do to a clone And Ive see what a guardsman with a laspistol can do to a Terminator, but it makes no difference. If a EvE DUSTer has to actually pull a rifle, well Ill leave that comparison to the Amarr, Caldari, Minmatar or Gallente ground pounders to answer. But in terms of space combat, the Imperium is basically using sailing ships against New Eden’s ultra modern forces. They would get splashed in short order. And given that vast numbers of guard deserted just for the promise of working on a Tau rice paddy, what do you think will happen if they find out money can be traded for the services of a Gallante Exotic Dancer, or when we introduce em to Drop? ---
**Author:** ![Ulysses\_Redmane](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ulysses_redmane/32/410129_2.png) [@Ulysses\_Redmane](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ulysses_Redmane)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2019, 5:35pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/if-eve-was-invaded-by-the-imperium-of-man/173473/62 "2019-07-10T17:35:44Z")
Maybe if you’re a Traitor Space Marine. The average cultist generally ends up on a demon world having their soul violated, fed upon, torn apart, and otherwise abused in unimaginable ways. That’s the lucky ones. The unlucky ones become writhing mutant abominations or worse. ---
**Author:** ![Solonius\_Rex](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/solonius_rex/32/388172_2.png) [@Solonius\_Rex](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Solonius_Rex)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2019, 5:35pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/if-eve-was-invaded-by-the-imperium-of-man/173473/63 "2019-07-10T17:35:49Z")
> [@Vanar\_Samukan](#): > > Only a million astartes? Where does that figure come from? No one even knows the exact number of black templars, for example, and I’ve never read that there’s a known number of marines. Canonically speaking there are only a million or so space marines, at most 2 or 3 million. Grey knights, black templars, no one may know their numbers but no one is saying there are more than a thousand, let alone ten thousand of them. Thanks to the codex, space marine chapters are limited in number, and we have a rough idea of how many chapters exist, so yeah, a million or two is accurate. > [@Vanar\_Samukan](#): > > i don’t think lack of manpower is going to be an issue for them in this scenario. And yet with all their manpower, they suck at building. In canon, they go out and send teams to recapture or collect destroyed tanks because it’s both easier and faster to repair them than to build new ones. Decades for battlecruisers, generations for battleships. Whereas we make titans in a month. It’s not a matter of manpower, it’s about the speed and efficiency at replacing ships. We may not win every battle, but we will eventually win the war. ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2019, 5:36pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/if-eve-was-invaded-by-the-imperium-of-man/173473/64 "2019-07-10T17:36:21Z")
Why on earth would you imagine being at the bottom of the sex-pile? ---
**Author:** ![Ulysses\_Redmane](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ulysses_redmane/32/410129_2.png) [@Ulysses\_Redmane](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ulysses_Redmane)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2019, 5:37pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/if-eve-was-invaded-by-the-imperium-of-man/173473/65 "2019-07-10T17:37:10Z")
Because the Chaos Gods are as likely to put you on the bottom of the pile as on the top. ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2019, 5:38pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/if-eve-was-invaded-by-the-imperium-of-man/173473/66 "2019-07-10T17:38:08Z")
Nah mate, Ive a Maimi Hotline to the best parties due to some deeds I may or may not have done involving a Sister of Battle, a desk lamp, a pencil sharpener and a small newt called Colin. ---
**Author:** ![Solonius\_Rex](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/solonius_rex/32/388172_2.png) [@Solonius\_Rex](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Solonius_Rex)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2019, 5:40pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/if-eve-was-invaded-by-the-imperium-of-man/173473/67 "2019-07-10T17:40:00Z")
> [@Ulysses\_Redmane](#): > > The average cultist generally ends up on a demon world having their soul violated, fed upon, torn apart, and otherwise abused in unimaginable ways. That’s the lucky ones. The unlucky ones become writhing mutant abominations or worse. We are capsuleers though. The best of the best in terms of lore. So if we turned to chaos, you bet your ass we would become demon princes. ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2019, 5:43pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/if-eve-was-invaded-by-the-imperium-of-man/173473/68 "2019-07-10T17:43:03Z")
Blood Raiders basically are Chaos cultists as it is. ---
**Author:** ![Ulysses\_Redmane](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ulysses_redmane/32/410129_2.png) [@Ulysses\_Redmane](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ulysses_Redmane)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2019, 5:43pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/if-eve-was-invaded-by-the-imperium-of-man/173473/69 "2019-07-10T17:43:37Z")
Guess that depends on what a Capsuleer’s soul is like. Now that I think about it, Capsuleer Clones could be specifically engineered to bear the Pariah gene. Chaos would be in big trouble if that happened. ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2019, 5:46pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/if-eve-was-invaded-by-the-imperium-of-man/173473/70 "2019-07-10T17:46:48Z")
Oh I think a Chaos invasion would go differently. Its very tempting for people like capsuleers though mortal immortality we already got. However whether the lure of the Gods or the Almighty PLEX is a more powerful force, thats a different tale. ---
**Author:** ![Anderson\_Geten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anderson_geten/32/390041_2.png) [@Anderson\_Geten](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anderson_Geten)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2019, 6:40pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/if-eve-was-invaded-by-the-imperium-of-man/173473/71 "2019-07-10T18:40:03Z")
> [@Ramona\_McCandless](#): > > Thats why Chaos is great and the Imperium boring old men balls You just don’t realize that the Emperor is but another deity of the warp. If the golden throne would fail, the emperor would only join the warp again, and be reborn later on. He is kept alive to be used, an undead without a will. The emperor is a vegetable, whose psychic power are mandatory for the high lords of Terra, kept in a comatose state with drugs and an excess of psychic power. He is just a fed hamster in a wheel, under drug, not even realizing what he is used for. His holy light is only the effect of the enormous concentration of psychic power released in the warp in his surrounding. He barely is a catalyst for the concentration of psychic energy to remain locally instead of spreading out. This is because his ancestors fused together in order to prevent the warp infestations from eating their spiritual energy. The warp is made not of 4 gods ; but of lots o f them. The most powerful one is the emperor, and as always, when one entity is strong the other ones band together to defeat it. The emperah is the god of Hope and Order, who has been embodying for thousands of years, and reached enough strength after the age of strife. This chaos god incarnation is being used by the human high lords, protected by inquisitors whose sole goal is to get the emperor stronger by giving him faith. Truth and honesty have as much room in the terran language as logic in CODE. monkeys. Remember the imperial credo : The end always justifies the mean. Links for the heretical in thirst of knowledge : What the emperor really is : [Perpetual | Warhammer 40k Wiki | Fandom](https://warhammer40k.fandom.com/wiki/Perpetual) someone who disagrees with me : [https://www.quora.com/Is-the-Emperor-of-Mankind-actually-the-5th-Chaos-God-Is-his-sacred-number-5](https://www.quora.com/Is-the-Emperor-of-Mankind-actually-the-5th-Chaos-God-Is-his-sacred-number-5) someone who agrees with me (prepare the bolter…) [Reddit - The heart of the internet](https://www.reddit.com/r/FanTheories/comments/10wree/40k_universe_the_emperor_is_a_chaos_god_spoilers/) ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2019, 7:11pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/if-eve-was-invaded-by-the-imperium-of-man/173473/72 "2019-07-10T19:11:50Z")
Its well known he’s a warp entity now, and he can only affect the material world through the Astronomicon, the light of which does not reach New Eden. The Imperial Cult is doing a great job of preventing his rebirth though. The Inquisition doesnt like Sensei Brotherhoods very much. ---
**Author:** ![Corraidhin\_Farsaidh](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/corraidhin_farsaidh/32/10994_2.png) [@Corraidhin\_Farsaidh](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Corraidhin_Farsaidh)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2019, 9:39pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/if-eve-was-invaded-by-the-imperium-of-man/173473/73 "2019-07-10T21:39:15Z")
> [@Anderson\_Geten](#): > > If the golden throne would fail, the emperor would only join the warp again Isn’t it entirely possible that a new harsh God-Emperor Chaos entity would be fully free to interact with the materium, whilst the Emperor corpereal would be reborn as the star-child. So the physical emporer fighting his Chaos God alterego could be interesting. ---
**Author:** ![Xuxe\_Xu](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xuxe_xu/32/464660_2.png) [@Xuxe\_Xu](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xuxe_Xu)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2019, 10:57pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/if-eve-was-invaded-by-the-imperium-of-man/173473/74 "2019-07-10T22:57:19Z")
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**Author:** ![Anderson\_Geten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anderson_geten/32/390041_2.png) [@Anderson\_Geten](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anderson_Geten)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2019, 11:17pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/if-eve-was-invaded-by-the-imperium-of-man/173473/75 "2019-07-10T23:17:09Z")
yes, heresy can bloom, too. > [@Corraidhin\_Farsaidh](#): > > Isn’t it entirely possible that a new harsh God-Emperor Chaos entity would be fully free to interact with the materium, whilst the Emperor corpereal would be reborn as the star-child. > > So the physical emporer fighting his Chaos God alterego could be interesting. truth be told I am no fan of the 40k fluff. I like a lot of it, but am not any kind of expert. The implications of such a possibility are of the domain of the warp to me. IMO what is nice is that many interpretations are possible, because ~~CCP~~ GW made a story with enough plot holes that need to be filled. So maybe I’m right.Maybe I’m wrong. Maybe you are right, and I’m wrong. Maybe we both are right and wrong at the same time. GW makes the story progress without giving answers to the past questions. That’s somehow nice. ---
**Author:** ![Corraidhin\_Farsaidh](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/corraidhin_farsaidh/32/10994_2.png) [@Corraidhin\_Farsaidh](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Corraidhin_Farsaidh)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2019, 7:28am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/if-eve-was-invaded-by-the-imperium-of-man/173473/76 "2019-07-11T07:28:56Z")
> [@Anderson\_Geten](#): > > GW makes the story progress without giving answers to the past questions. That’s somehow nice. It’s also because it’s too hard 😄 I think they realized the fluff was a mess so made it a positive. Ambiguity is great for people making their own interpretations. ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2019, 8:13am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/if-eve-was-invaded-by-the-imperium-of-man/173473/77 "2019-07-11T08:13:11Z")
That and they literally cribbed all their ideas from other things without wasting time on narrative. ---
**Author:** ![Vanar\_Samukan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/vanar_samukan/32/148602_2.png) [@Vanar\_Samukan](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Vanar_Samukan)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2019, 8:49am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/if-eve-was-invaded-by-the-imperium-of-man/173473/78 "2019-07-11T08:49:31Z")
It’s definitly in canon somewhere that Sigismund didn’t fully disclose the number of templars during the 2nd founding and there are thousands upon thousands of them out there. I mean, there are multiple crusades going on at once for a start. I think it could be in the old codex for them but not sure. I didn’t even mention grey knights but i don’t think they number as many obviously. I still think 1000 chapters or whatever is way too low. I always think a lot of the fluff written in canon is like imperial propaganda. So they say “we have 1000 chapters!” cause it sounds good but no one really has any idea. I don’t imagine that every chapter is sending in census information and keeping in touch with home. Also, 1000 chapters just sounds way too convenient a number. A massive civil war, whole legions turning traitor, only god knows how many foundings since then over 10000 years of constant war and there just happen to be… 1000 chapters? Such a nice round number! Nope. The codex had it’s enemies. Not everyone wanted to split their legion. I think it’s been implied several times in lore that not everyone did but claimed they had just to keep the peace. ---
**Author:** ![Omar\_Alharazaad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/omar_alharazaad/32/253881_2.png) [@Omar\_Alharazaad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Omar_Alharazaad)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2019, 12:52pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/if-eve-was-invaded-by-the-imperium-of-man/173473/79 "2019-07-11T12:52:18Z")
Best thread in a very long time here. ---
**Author:** ![AirMarshall\_Gearbox](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/airmarshall_gearbox/32/133799_2.png) [@AirMarshall\_Gearbox](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/AirMarshall_Gearbox)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2019, 9:09pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/if-eve-was-invaded-by-the-imperium-of-man/173473/80 "2019-07-11T21:09:20Z")
// BEGIN INTERCEPTED TRANSMISSION DECRYPTION // \>\>\> INCOMING TRANSMISSION \<\<\< \>\>\> TRANSMITTED: Ahmak VI – Jahangsai City – Industrial District \>\>\> RECEIVED: Genesis – New Eden System – New Eden I \>\>\> IMPERIAL EVE GATE TRANSMISSION RELAY: _COORDINATES REDACTED_ \>\>\> DESTINATION: Segmentum Solar – Sol System – Terra – Imperial Palace – Adeptus Administratum \>\>\> DATE: 9657335M41 \>\>\> TELEPATHIC DUCT: Astropath Solintos Cystus \>\>\> REF: Inq/0269096547179091/KA \>\>\> AUTHOR: Prefect Gearbox, Strategic Intelligence Collective \>\>\> SUBJECT: Danger to the Imperium! The heretical capsuleers, who portray themselves as gods, have postulated an invasion by the mighty Imperial forces and are currently running simulations and tactical discussions among themselves. Further contact will be sparse as I do not wish to cause further suspicion amongst them. They think themselves above the Emporer’s Law, but have been invaded themselves by warp-spawn they named Triglavians and Drifters. They are weak and under attack, now is the time to strike! We have infiltrated their political structures and continue to study their technology and collect data. Latest report attached. \>\>\> THOUGHT: “The Rewards of Tolerance are Treachery and Betrayal” \>\>\> ATTACHED DATA DOWNLOAD \<\<\< \>\>\> PROCESSING \<\<\< \>\>\> DOWNLOAD COMPLETE \<\<\< // END DECRYPTION // [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/if-eve-was-invaded-by-the-imperium-of-man/173473.md?page=3) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/if-eve-was-invaded-by-the-imperium-of-man/173473.md?page=5)