# If I keep ganking the same person over and over again, is that illegal according to TOS? **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [October 16, 2019, 11:48pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/if-i-keep-ganking-the-same-person-over-and-over-again-is-that-illegal-according-to-tos/196017 "2019-10-16T23:48:01Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Nana\_Skalski](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nana_skalski/32/489985_2.png) [@Nana\_Skalski](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nana_Skalski)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2019, 11:06pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/if-i-keep-ganking-the-same-person-over-and-over-again-is-that-illegal-according-to-tos/196017/22 "2019-10-17T23:06:37Z")
There is no limit. ---
**Author:** ![Knowledgeminer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/knowledgeminer/32/422883_2.png) [@Knowledgeminer](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Knowledgeminer)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2019, 11:21pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/if-i-keep-ganking-the-same-person-over-and-over-again-is-that-illegal-according-to-tos/196017/24 "2019-10-17T23:21:50Z")
> [@Mayhaw\_Morgan](#): > > WHY should it be against the TOS or EULA to gank someone over and over until they log out or quit the game or who-the-[expletive deleted]-cares? What could be against the ToS / EULA is **not** ganking someone over and over, not even if the gankee ends up quitting the game as a result, but rather make it something personal and follow him around wherever he goes with the intent of not letting him play the game. ---
**Author:** ![Coffee\_Stains\_Unlimited](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/coffee_stains_unlimited/32/164342_2.png) [@Coffee\_Stains\_Unlimited](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Coffee_Stains_Unlimited)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2019, 1:26am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/if-i-keep-ganking-the-same-person-over-and-over-again-is-that-illegal-according-to-tos/196017/26 "2019-10-18T01:26:18Z")
Knowledgeminer explained it perfectly. ---
**Author:** ![Miulan\_Ng](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/miulan_ng/32/167268_2.png) [@Miulan\_Ng](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Miulan_Ng)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2019, 1:47am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/if-i-keep-ganking-the-same-person-over-and-over-again-is-that-illegal-according-to-tos/196017/28 "2019-10-18T01:47:08Z")
Ganking your alts is unlimited recursive circle-jerk activity. _Enjoy_. ---
**Author:** ![Mike\_Azariah](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mike_azariah/32/512626_2.png) [@Mike\_Azariah](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mike_Azariah)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2019, 2:23am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/if-i-keep-ganking-the-same-person-over-and-over-again-is-that-illegal-according-to-tos/196017/29 "2019-10-18T02:23:03Z")
Mainly because you are one player and yet if left unchecked you may drive many away. Cost effectiveness? Bounce you and keep all the folks you might have forced out of the game. Morals be damned, this is about money m ---
**Author:** ![Mayhaw\_Morgan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mayhaw_morgan/32/412682_2.png) [@Mayhaw\_Morgan](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mayhaw_Morgan)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2019, 5:35am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/if-i-keep-ganking-the-same-person-over-and-over-again-is-that-illegal-according-to-tos/196017/30 "2019-10-18T05:35:40Z")
> [@Nana\_Skalski](#): > > There is no limit. @Coffee_Stains_Unlimited @Nana_Skalski @Mike_Azariah But there are limits; aren’t there? - you have to find the target - you have to field an appropriate ship - you have to replace any potential losses - you have to spend playtime to sustain your aggression Why are the hard limits that are already in place not enough to limit players from committing harassment? You seem to be implying that EVE gives the aggressor too much choice for too little cost. Otherwise, wouldn’t it quickly become nigh impossible to continue behaving aggressively? Shouldn’t the natural drawbacks of aggression limit it’s use enough that harassment couldn’t even really take place? > [@Knowledgeminer](#): > > [It’s personal.] @Gowa_Hyasyoda @Knowledgeminer It’s always personal, though. You always blow up someone else’s ship. You may not mean it “personally” but . . . so? Aggression is aggression. One of the draws of the game is that we are enabled to behave aggressively. The ubiquitous risk of aggression is . . . that’s EVE. Personal or impersonal, shouldn’t the onus be on the victim to avoid, evade, withstand or repel the aggression using the resources at hand? Player A is forced by game mechanics to play Player B’s game of aggression, personal or impersonal. But why should Player B be forced to play Player A’s game of peace love and harmony by force of the TOS and EULA? Why shouldn’t Player A also have to resort to game mechanics in pursuit of his/her desired outcome? ---
**Author:** ![Karak\_Terrel](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/karak_terrel/32/373453_2.png) [@Karak\_Terrel](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Karak_Terrel)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2019, 5:53am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/if-i-keep-ganking-the-same-person-over-and-over-again-is-that-illegal-according-to-tos/196017/31 "2019-10-18T05:53:23Z")
> [@Knowledgeminer](#): > > I’m pretty sure you don’t have to worry about this as long as you’re not following him around if he tries to get away from you. If he keeps coming to your area of operation and doesn’t even bother to do what it takes to avoid being ganked, despite you repeatedly ganking him, that’s his problem, not yours. What @Knowledgeminer said here. I once had a guy who reshipped into another Retriever and went back to mining every time he died. He died a lot. I didn’t specifically target him or seek him out, but when you are ganking in a constellation and someone just constantly makes the same mistake that is his problem not yours. ---
**Author:** ![Karak\_Terrel](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/karak_terrel/32/373453_2.png) [@Karak\_Terrel](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Karak_Terrel)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2019, 7:48am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/if-i-keep-ganking-the-same-person-over-and-over-again-is-that-illegal-according-to-tos/196017/33 "2019-10-18T07:48:26Z")
How do we have to understand that if you “give them the finger” while sitting in front of a computer? You know they can’t see you right? ---
**Author:** ![Karak\_Terrel](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/karak_terrel/32/373453_2.png) [@Karak\_Terrel](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Karak_Terrel)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2019, 7:51am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/if-i-keep-ganking-the-same-person-over-and-over-again-is-that-illegal-according-to-tos/196017/35 "2019-10-18T07:51:03Z")
Ah the internet tough kid way ---
**Author:** ![SWAGGETTI\_delConte](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/swaggetti_delconte/32/242869_2.png) [@SWAGGETTI\_delConte](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/SWAGGETTI_delConte)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2019, 8:00am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/if-i-keep-ganking-the-same-person-over-and-over-again-is-that-illegal-according-to-tos/196017/37 "2019-10-18T08:00:38Z")
Gank me once shame on you. Gank me twice shame on me. But this guy never learns. So keep up the ganks until he learns smthing from it ---
**Author:** ![Dravick\_Afterthought](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dravick_afterthought/32/282017_2.png) [@Dravick\_Afterthought](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dravick_Afterthought)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2019, 8:38am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/if-i-keep-ganking-the-same-person-over-and-over-again-is-that-illegal-according-to-tos/196017/39 "2019-10-18T08:38:38Z")
> [@Mayhaw\_Morgan](#): > > Now look at my question again. WHY should it be against the TOS or EULA to gank someone over and over until they log out or quit the game or who-the-[expletive deleted]-cares? Your question is meaningless. Its CCP’s game and CCP’s TOS & EULA and they don’t have to explain or excuse it to you - and anyone else’s explanation is just guesswork. And - if you think it’s perfectly acceptable to harrass someone in a game to the extent that they have to give up the game altogether to escape you, your moral compass has definitely lost its magnetic north… ---
**Author:** ![Ms\_Steak](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ms_steak/32/168834_2.png) [@Ms\_Steak](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ms_Steak)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2019, 8:48am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/if-i-keep-ganking-the-same-person-over-and-over-again-is-that-illegal-according-to-tos/196017/40 "2019-10-18T08:48:18Z")
Even large scale indiscriminate ganking can be seen as griefing. CODE. are the prime example - they had to come up with “mining permit” system to be able to say they do it for profit… ---
**Author:** ![Knowledgeminer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/knowledgeminer/32/422883_2.png) [@Knowledgeminer](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Knowledgeminer)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2019, 9:53am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/if-i-keep-ganking-the-same-person-over-and-over-again-is-that-illegal-according-to-tos/196017/41 "2019-10-18T09:53:33Z")
> [@Mayhaw\_Morgan](#): > > Why are the hard limits that are already in place not enough to limit players from committing harassment? […] Shouldn’t the natural drawbacks of aggression limit it’s use enough that harassment couldn’t even really take place? That’s simply impossible. Shooting spaceships in a spaceship shooting game, be it suicide ganking in high sec or otherwise, is by itself playing the game as intended, not harassment, so as stated the question does not even make sense. That can only make sense to you if you think the mere act of shooting someone else’s ship in a spaceship shooting game is harassment by itself… > [@Mayhaw\_Morgan](#): > > It’s always personal, though. You always blow up someone else’s ship. No, I’m talking about the aggressor intentions, not about the inability of some players to understand this is a spaceship shooting game and taking it personally as a result. By making it personal I mean the aggressor makes it personal by following a specific target around wherever he goes, completely ignoring other more convenient targets he might find along the way. That some victims take it personally every time someone blows up their ship in a spaceship shooting game is their problem, not what I’m talking about. > [@Mayhaw\_Morgan](#): > > Aggression is aggression. One of the draws of the game is that we are enabled to behave aggressively. The ubiquitous risk of aggression is . . . that’s EVE. There are several types of aggression and different ways in which aggression may happen. Verbal aggression through chat or mail, for example, could easily break the ToS / EULA and not be tolerated, whereas shooting ships is merely playing the game as intended. If you ignore the differences, the context, **and the intent** , and lump everything together into the term “aggression”, you’re not understanding a thing about this and nothing you say is going to make sense. > [@Mayhaw\_Morgan](#): > > shouldn’t the onus be on the victim to avoid, evade, withstand or repel the aggression using the resources at hand? Yes, or at the very least not make a big deal of losing his ship if he’s unwilling to do that. This is correct. > [@Mayhaw\_Morgan](#): > > Player A is forced by game mechanics to play Player B’s game of aggression Nobody is forced to do anything in this game. This is wrong. > [@Mayhaw\_Morgan](#): > > But why should Player B be forced to play Player A’s game of peace love and harmony by force of the TOS and EULA? This makes no sense at all. The Tos / EULA has absolutely nothing to do with forcing players to play a “game of peace love and harmony” in any way. > [@Mayhaw\_Morgan](#): > > Why shouldn’t Player A also have to resort to game mechanics in pursuit of his/her desired outcome? But he has to… All players have to “resort to game mechanics in pursuit of their desired outcome”… What does this have to do with the ToS / EULA? ---
**Author:** ![Karak\_Terrel](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/karak_terrel/32/373453_2.png) [@Karak\_Terrel](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Karak_Terrel)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2019, 11:04am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/if-i-keep-ganking-the-same-person-over-and-over-again-is-that-illegal-according-to-tos/196017/42 "2019-10-18T11:04:07Z")
> [@Ms\_Steak](#): > > CODE. are the prime example - they had to come up with “mining permit” system to be able to say they do it for profit… It is astonistonishing how this completely false rumor is staying around. It’s like people can’t read, don’t understand what they read or simply repeat some stuff they hear somewhere without checking. You don’t need a reason to shoot spaceships in a spaceship shooting game. The “mining permit” was suggested by a GM for bumping and not for ganking. ---
**Author:** ![Ms\_Steak](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ms_steak/32/168834_2.png) [@Ms\_Steak](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ms_Steak)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2019, 11:22am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/if-i-keep-ganking-the-same-person-over-and-over-again-is-that-illegal-according-to-tos/196017/43 "2019-10-18T11:22:01Z")
> [@Karak\_Terrel](#): > > was suggested by a GM for bumping and not for ganking. same thing, if you think about it. Also from what i have read GM just said that it wouldn’t have been a problem if CODE. done their activities for “profit”, even if only nominally. ---
**Author:** ![Karak\_Terrel](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/karak_terrel/32/373453_2.png) [@Karak\_Terrel](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Karak_Terrel)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2019, 11:25am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/if-i-keep-ganking-the-same-person-over-and-over-again-is-that-illegal-according-to-tos/196017/44 "2019-10-18T11:25:51Z")
So you did read it but didn’t understand what was written? Interesting. ---
**Author:** ![Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jonah_gravenstein/32/386819_2.png) [@Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jonah_Gravenstein)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2019, 1:26pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/if-i-keep-ganking-the-same-person-over-and-over-again-is-that-illegal-according-to-tos/196017/45 "2019-10-18T13:26:20Z")
> [@Ms\_Steak](#): > > same thing, if you think about it. Not really, bumping is an inherently profitless activity without the permit, the bumper gaining nothing of fiscal value; whereas ganking has a goodly chance of being profitable given the disparity between the cost of the ships required to do it and the potential fiscal value of the loot drop. ---
**Author:** ![Ms\_Steak](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ms_steak/32/168834_2.png) [@Ms\_Steak](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ms_Steak)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2019, 2:03pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/if-i-keep-ganking-the-same-person-over-and-over-again-is-that-illegal-according-to-tos/196017/46 "2019-10-18T14:03:38Z")
> [@Jonah\_Gravenstein](#): > > hereas ganking has a goodly chance of being profitable given the disparity between the cost of the ships required to do it and the potential fiscal value of the loot drop. Not when their group activity involved bumping/ganking primarily miners. It was later that they shifted to other aspects like hauling and misisoning. It doesnt even matter what they did or didnt, what matters is the fact - their indiscriminate (non-personal) activity had to be intervened by game authorities to make it … look less like a griefing. ---
**Author:** ![Miulan\_Ng](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/miulan_ng/32/167268_2.png) [@Miulan\_Ng](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Miulan_Ng)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2019, 2:12pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/if-i-keep-ganking-the-same-person-over-and-over-again-is-that-illegal-according-to-tos/196017/47 "2019-10-18T14:12:47Z")
Wouldn’t a paying contract to repeatedly kill a character be acceptable, legitimizing what might otherwise be “griefing”? ---
**Author:** ![Xeux](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xeux/32/428022_2.png) [@Xeux](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xeux)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2019, 2:12pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/if-i-keep-ganking-the-same-person-over-and-over-again-is-that-illegal-according-to-tos/196017/48 "2019-10-18T14:12:53Z")
Ganking miners is profitable. A single T2 mining laser can pretty much pay for a T1 catalyst. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/if-i-keep-ganking-the-same-person-over-and-over-again-is-that-illegal-according-to-tos/196017.md?page=1) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/if-i-keep-ganking-the-same-person-over-and-over-again-is-that-illegal-according-to-tos/196017.md?page=3)