# If I keep ganking the same person over and over again, is that illegal according to TOS? **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [October 16, 2019, 11:48pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/if-i-keep-ganking-the-same-person-over-and-over-again-is-that-illegal-according-to-tos/196017 "2019-10-16T23:48:01Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![NewEdenPsyco](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/newedenpsyco/32/174058_2.png) [@NewEdenPsyco](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/NewEdenPsyco)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2019, 5:57pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/if-i-keep-ganking-the-same-person-over-and-over-again-is-that-illegal-according-to-tos/196017/118 "2019-12-18T17:57:54Z")
I think he (Karak Terrell) wants something that proves what YOU (Lucas Kell) is claiming. ---
**Author:** ![Knowledgeminer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/knowledgeminer/32/422883_2.png) [@Knowledgeminer](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Knowledgeminer)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2019, 6:07pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/if-i-keep-ganking-the-same-person-over-and-over-again-is-that-illegal-according-to-tos/196017/119 "2019-12-18T18:07:34Z")
> [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > Because you jumping into every thread with insults is better somehow? What? Man, you have some serious reality perception issues… Into how many threads have I “jumped” out of how many out there? I bet it’s not even close to 10%… And who have I insulted? > [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > There’s no actual evidence that the quote given actually came from CCP. No, there isn’t… Other than that pesky comment from the ISD that removed it or the OP not having been punished for making false claims about what CCP told her… But hey, good thing we _do_ have evidence that it’s all fake, eh? > [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > I’m not going to just take the word of a player Oh no, it’s _your_ word that we’re going to take… > [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > people have been banned for the same activity And of course, this isn’t fake, but you’re not going to provide any evidence of this, are you? Actually, you don’t really care whether there is any evidence of this, do you? ---
**Author:** ![Karak\_Terrel](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/karak_terrel/32/373453_2.png) [@Karak\_Terrel](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Karak_Terrel)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2019, 6:49pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/if-i-keep-ganking-the-same-person-over-and-over-again-is-that-illegal-according-to-tos/196017/122 "2019-12-18T18:49:07Z")
You understand perfectly well what I asked. But it’s a nice demonstration of how completely dishonest you are when writing here. ---
**Author:** ![NewEdenPsyco](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/newedenpsyco/32/174058_2.png) [@NewEdenPsyco](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/NewEdenPsyco)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2019, 7:07pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/if-i-keep-ganking-the-same-person-over-and-over-again-is-that-illegal-according-to-tos/196017/124 "2019-12-18T19:07:16Z")
I really feel that somebody that demands proof also should provide it for the things he put on the table, you can start here > and I’ve seen a few enforcements for ganking in the same way. And no the Mittens ban is not accurate in this case. ---
**Author:** ![Knowledgeminer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/knowledgeminer/32/422883_2.png) [@Knowledgeminer](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Knowledgeminer)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2019, 7:07pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/if-i-keep-ganking-the-same-person-over-and-over-again-is-that-illegal-according-to-tos/196017/125 "2019-12-18T19:07:46Z")
> [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > Pretty much every thread I see you in, you’ve jumped in on the attack. Ahhh… So it’s not that I jump into every thread with insults like you said in your previous post… It’s that, in those threads where you’ve seen me, I have an attitude that you happen to not like… OK, got it… That’s better and makes sense now… Only, that’s relevant to the issue at hand how exactly? > [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > 🤣 🤣 Except the ISD is incredibly unlikely to have access to private communications between a GM and a player, thus the removal of the comment was done purely on the claim that it was from a GM. You don’t get it, do you? You don’t see how the OP wouldn’t have been able to get away unscathed from this with a mere ISD edit if what she’s claiming was fake, do you? > [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > You don’t have to take anyone’s word. Believe it or not, whether or not you agree with me is not high on the “things I care about” list. Not sure why would you say this… Did I somehow give you the impression that I think it’s _me_ who you expect to believe anything you’re saying? > [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > Arguably when someone so overly hostile and insulting disagrees with me it lets me know I’m on the right track. Yes, we already knew how easy it is for you to consider “proven” the things you want to believe and disregard as “fake” the ones you don’t. Nothing new here. And now, after reading this, you may be even more certain how right you are… As if anyone cares whether you _think_ you’re right or not… > [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > He can check the minderbumping thread from the old forum for CCPs response where they outright state that following someone around to bump them was at the time against the rules. This is the old thread in question, which the OP mentioned in his post as well: [https://forums-archive.eveonline.com/topic/199310/](https://forums-archive.eveonline.com/topic/199310/) Now, first off, that’s no evidence whatsoever that anyone was ever banned for that. It just states what CCP’s policy about the issue was _at the time_, back in 2013, and about the particular case of bumping only… But the whole point of the OP’s post about this was to clarify that **this is no longer CCP’s stance on the issue, which a GM stated in that very thread several years ago already…** So you using that as evidence of anything to try to “prove” your point, or that the OP’s claim about the response she got from a GM is fake, is ■■■■■■■■… > [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > Ultimately it’s up to CCP to decide on a case by case basis. If someone genuinely feels like they are being harassed by repeatedly being targetted they should report it to CCP Yes. Exactly. That’s the only thing you’ve said so far that’s correct. Only this thread isn’t about what someone that feels being harassed should do. It’s about whether how much someone should care that he may be banned just because someone else feels harassed by him. And you pretending he should refrain from repeated targeting or from following his target around, for fear of being banned, is ■■■■■■■■ too… ---
**Author:** ![NewEdenPsyco](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/newedenpsyco/32/174058_2.png) [@NewEdenPsyco](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/NewEdenPsyco)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2019, 7:20pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/if-i-keep-ganking-the-same-person-over-and-over-again-is-that-illegal-according-to-tos/196017/127 "2019-12-18T19:20:49Z")
I’m not I wanted you to tell me the names, I’m not trying to “forum war” I was honestly curious who this person/persons would be. I know about the permabanned heroes if Code. And a lot more people being banned for this and that but never anybody for ganking outside newbies corner. ---
**Author:** ![NewEdenPsyco](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/newedenpsyco/32/174058_2.png) [@NewEdenPsyco](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/NewEdenPsyco)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2019, 8:25pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/if-i-keep-ganking-the-same-person-over-and-over-again-is-that-illegal-according-to-tos/196017/130 "2019-12-18T20:25:45Z")
I don’t need to branch out, I know most of the “creative” people that have blessed New Eden. However, I do need to try and get information about this ghost gankers that have passed away unnoticed. \*_Kicks my house miner and tells him to get my Sherlock hat and magnifying glass_ ---
**Author:** ![Knowledgeminer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/knowledgeminer/32/422883_2.png) [@Knowledgeminer](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Knowledgeminer)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2019, 9:24pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/if-i-keep-ganking-the-same-person-over-and-over-again-is-that-illegal-according-to-tos/196017/132 "2019-12-18T21:24:14Z")
> [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > It is though. Except it’s not. You repeating this lie doesn’t make it true, no matter how many times you repeat it. > [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > Again, the ISD likely has no ability to know whether or not it is fake. I haven’t said nor implied otherwise. I do laugh at you, however, if you think someone might post the info the OP did and get away unscathed if it was fake. > [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > I happen to know you’re wrong on that implication. What implication? I didn’t make any implication in the paragraph you replied to saying that… But regardless, you keep talking about you “knowing” this or that as if you expected anyone reading this to take your word for it, so whatever you meant is irrelevant anyway… > [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > Harassment is against the rules and it;s up to CCP to decide on a case by case basis what constitutes harassment. What part of that do you not understand? LOL. Where have I said anything to the contrary? What makes you think there is anything about this that I don’t understand? And how is this relevant to whether the OP’s claim about the GM response she got is fake or not? > [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > No, this is a thread asking that if someone engages in behaviour that targets an individual repeatedly, would they get banned. And this contradicts what I said in the paragraph you were replying to exactly how? That was exactly my point, that this thread is about whether the supposed offender might get banned or not, not about what to do if someone feels being harassed… > [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > The answer is “maybe” and can only ever be “maybe” because it’s CCPs decision. **Except the OP provided a much more concrete answer to that question which you’re trying to dismiss as fake just because you happen to disagree with it** , which is the whole point of the discussion we’re having… * * * But let’s see what it is that you keep talking about that “proves” the OP’s claim is fake: [https://community.eveonline.com/support/policies/terms-of-service-en/](https://community.eveonline.com/support/policies/terms-of-service-en/) > [@](#): > > You may not impersonate or falsely present yourself to be a representative of another player, group of players, character or NPC entity. Precisely the fact that this is _explicitly_ forbidden in the ToS/EULA is what sets it apart from other things that the game mechanics provide the opportunity to do and which are not explicitly forbidden… You cannot use something that’s explicitly forbidden as proof that doing something that’s _not_ explicitly forbidden might get you banned… This is what the OP claims the GM said and you pretend cannot be true: _because the opportunity to do so is built in the game mechanics_ What if what he meant was something like this and he simply omitted the last part because it’s obvious to anyone able/willing to understand? _because the opportunity to do so is built in the game mechanics and not expressly forbidden by the ToS/EULA_ So _that_ is what you’re using as “proof” that the OP’s claim about the GM response she got is fake? The fact that maybe the GM omitted the last part of that sentence? Really? 🤣 🤣 ---
**Author:** ![Knowledgeminer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/knowledgeminer/32/422883_2.png) [@Knowledgeminer](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Knowledgeminer)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2019, 9:47pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/if-i-keep-ganking-the-same-person-over-and-over-again-is-that-illegal-according-to-tos/196017/134 "2019-12-18T21:47:45Z")
No, you don’t get it. It’s that you need to ignore the things that prove you wrong so you may keep _believing_ you’re right… > [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > I’ll stand by my statement that if someone genuinely feels like they are being harassed they should report it to CCP for CCP to deal with it. ROFL. Except this is something everybody agrees with, not what was being discussed at all, and not what you said yourself the thread is about. But I totally understand you feel the need to be right about something, even if it’s not what was being discussed… 🤣 🤣 ---
**Author:** ![Sebat\_Hadah](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sebat_hadah/32/248462_2.png) [@Sebat\_Hadah](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sebat_Hadah)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2019, 10:50pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/if-i-keep-ganking-the-same-person-over-and-over-again-is-that-illegal-according-to-tos/196017/135 "2019-12-18T22:50:25Z")
its a great way to make people quit the game thats for sure. but they can just move away while your not on. get some friends to back them up. they are not after all totally helpless. ---
**Author:** ![Scat\_Lover](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/scat_lover/32/177200_2.png) [@Scat\_Lover](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Scat_Lover)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2019, 12:36am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/if-i-keep-ganking-the-same-person-over-and-over-again-is-that-illegal-according-to-tos/196017/136 "2019-12-19T00:36:02Z")
That was my first sentiment when I read it, (only because of the surprise, not disappointed at all, just happy to know it tbf because thats how eveonline should be), and I feel like CCP wants to make eveonline become EveOnline once again… and not just eve… if u know what I mean (which is great) Id screenshot the GM reply and post it in here if I was allowed without a problem, its a very well structured and extensive reply, it would be good for everyone and there is nothing wrong with it tbh, just solid and clear explanation on the current CCP stance around stuff like this. ---
**Author:** ![Galaxy\_Pig](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/galaxy_pig/32/374625_2.png) [@Galaxy\_Pig](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Galaxy_Pig)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2019, 3:07am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/if-i-keep-ganking-the-same-person-over-and-over-again-is-that-illegal-according-to-tos/196017/137 "2019-12-19T03:07:13Z")
> [@Xeux](#): > > Ganking is tolerated by CCP, but not necessarily by all the GMs - there have been plenty of people who got banned for doing it just a little bit too much. Even if you just gank random haulers in Uedama, you wouldn’t want to do it all day, every day. > > Katia Sae got a statue; loyalanon got a permaban. Wow. What a load of bull\*\*\*\* from someone who knows nothing about the subject. There is no such thing as getting banned for ganking too much. Loyalanon got banned for saying things that violate the EULA, otherwise known as being an idiot. I have personally ganked the same guy 9 times in a row (personal record), though it was in the same system every time. The TOS only warns against continued harassment AFTER the target has made an effort to get away from you by leaving system/region. I have also targeted individuals and told them that they have to leave Highsec, and it worked, they live in nullsec, last time I checked. I proved to them that I was willing to travel across Highsec to gank their covetor, good times. This is all, of course, handled on a case-by-case basis, but there is NO limit on legitimate ganking, as long as you’re not following around individuals, you’re fine. For proof, just refer to the killboard of the good people of the New Order of Highsec, namely members of the CODE. Alliance. Pages and pages of dead carebears, trillions of ISK destroyed, all 100% allowed. I personally kill retrievers in Arnon, which is a system under special protection for new players. All that means is that I have to check to make sure that my target is not under 30 days old before blasting them, but on day 31 I am rolling in hot! > **[MinerBumping.com](http://www.minerbumping.com)** > > Home of James 315 > and the New Order of Highsec ---
**Author:** ![Galaxy\_Pig](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/galaxy_pig/32/374625_2.png) [@Galaxy\_Pig](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Galaxy_Pig)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2019, 4:00pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/if-i-keep-ganking-the-same-person-over-and-over-again-is-that-illegal-according-to-tos/196017/140 "2019-12-19T16:00:34Z")
See, even the biggest carebears in the game agree with me! ---
**Author:** ![Galaxy\_Pig](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/galaxy_pig/32/374625_2.png) [@Galaxy\_Pig](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Galaxy_Pig)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2019, 4:06pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/if-i-keep-ganking-the-same-person-over-and-over-again-is-that-illegal-according-to-tos/196017/142 "2019-12-19T16:06:27Z")
If _anyone_ is, you are definitely a carebear, sir. ---
**Author:** ![Uriel\_the\_Flame](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/uriel_the_flame/32/490165_2.png) [@Uriel\_the\_Flame](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Uriel_the_Flame)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2019, 6:48pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/if-i-keep-ganking-the-same-person-over-and-over-again-is-that-illegal-according-to-tos/196017/144 "2019-12-19T18:48:12Z")
🐻 ---
**Author:** ![Foggy\_Bernstein](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/foggy_bernstein/32/407887_2.png) [@Foggy\_Bernstein](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Foggy_Bernstein)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2019, 7:10pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/if-i-keep-ganking-the-same-person-over-and-over-again-is-that-illegal-according-to-tos/196017/145 "2019-12-19T19:10:39Z")
> [@Galaxy\_Pig](#): > > you are definitely a carebear Carebears calling carebears carebears like that word has any meaning left due to it’s massive overuse and misuse in this forum. ---
**Author:** ![Foggy\_Bernstein](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/foggy_bernstein/32/407887_2.png) [@Foggy\_Bernstein](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Foggy_Bernstein)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2019, 8:19pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/if-i-keep-ganking-the-same-person-over-and-over-again-is-that-illegal-according-to-tos/196017/147 "2019-12-19T20:19:27Z")
Calling people carebear in this forum is as relevant as telling all the people that have never played WOW to go back to WOW. ---
**Author:** ![Galaxy\_Pig](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/galaxy_pig/32/374625_2.png) [@Galaxy\_Pig](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Galaxy_Pig)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2019, 10:35pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/if-i-keep-ganking-the-same-person-over-and-over-again-is-that-illegal-according-to-tos/196017/148 "2019-12-19T22:35:36Z")
Funny how only carebears seem to be confused about the definition of the word carebear or think the word lacks meaning. Lucas, your posting history clearly demonstrates that you’re the worst kind of carebear and have been for years, what does denying it do for you now, at this point? ---
**Author:** ![Foggy\_Bernstein](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/foggy_bernstein/32/407887_2.png) [@Foggy\_Bernstein](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Foggy_Bernstein)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2019, 10:44pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/if-i-keep-ganking-the-same-person-over-and-over-again-is-that-illegal-according-to-tos/196017/149 "2019-12-19T22:44:59Z")
> [@Galaxy\_Pig](#): > > the definition of the word carebear Code is carebears. Not so hard to define. ---
**Author:** ![Galaxy\_Pig](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/galaxy_pig/32/374625_2.png) [@Galaxy\_Pig](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Galaxy_Pig)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2019, 11:10pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/if-i-keep-ganking-the-same-person-over-and-over-again-is-that-illegal-according-to-tos/196017/151 "2019-12-19T23:10:20Z")
> [@Foggy\_Bernstein](#): > > Code is carebears. Not so hard to define. Oh great! So now carebears are the same as the players who dedicate themselves to their eradication. Got it. Very helpful. Thanks for your contribution. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/if-i-keep-ganking-the-same-person-over-and-over-again-is-that-illegal-according-to-tos/196017.md?page=5) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/if-i-keep-ganking-the-same-person-over-and-over-again-is-that-illegal-according-to-tos/196017.md?page=7)