# If PVP, how often do you loose a ship? **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [August 15, 2020, 12:13pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/if-pvp-how-often-do-you-loose-a-ship/260436 "2020-08-15T12:13:27Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Herzog\_Wolfhammer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/herzog_wolfhammer/32/452132_2.png) [@Herzog\_Wolfhammer](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Herzog_Wolfhammer)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2020, 11:53pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/if-pvp-how-often-do-you-loose-a-ship/260436/23 "2020-08-15T23:53:58Z")
Don’t name your ships. It’s like naming your sword. ---
**Author:** ![Mayhaw\_Morgan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mayhaw_morgan/32/412682_2.png) [@Mayhaw\_Morgan](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mayhaw_Morgan)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2020, 1:13am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/if-pvp-how-often-do-you-loose-a-ship/260436/24 "2020-08-16T01:13:33Z")
Every time. ---
**Author:** ![Daichi\_Yamato](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/daichi_yamato/32/252995_2.png) [@Daichi\_Yamato](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Daichi_Yamato)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2020, 2:00am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/if-pvp-how-often-do-you-loose-a-ship/260436/25 "2020-08-16T02:00:24Z")
In faction warfare you can lose several a day. In some places fighting is intense and you instantly reship and go out to die again. Always fly cheap until you find your feet. > [@Random\_Rick](#): > > if so, how do players that frequently PVP earn ISK to compensate the loss? If you are in faction warfare you earn LP by killing war targets or whilst capturing sites and waiting for a fight to show up. It’s about the only activity that is 100% efficient whilst fully PvP fit. ---
**Author:** ![tutucox\_Khamsi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tutucox_khamsi/32/430743_2.png) [@tutucox\_Khamsi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/tutucox_Khamsi)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2020, 2:12am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/if-pvp-how-often-do-you-loose-a-ship/260436/26 "2020-08-16T02:12:04Z")
> [@Daichi\_Yamato](#): > > In faction warfare you can lose several a day. In some places fighting is intense and you instantly reship and go out to die again. Always fly cheap until you find your feet. > > > [@Random\_Rick](#): > > > > if so, how do players that frequently PVP earn ISK to compensate the loss? > > If you are in faction warfare you earn LP by killing war targets or whilst capturing sites and waiting for a fight to show up. > > It’s about the only activity that is 100% efficient whilst fully PvP fit. ty so much , is a breath of fresh air to listen to someone speaking the truth gj ---
**Author:** ![Xuxe\_Xu](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xuxe_xu/32/464660_2.png) [@Xuxe\_Xu](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xuxe_Xu)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2020, 2:31am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/if-pvp-how-often-do-you-loose-a-ship/260436/27 "2020-08-16T02:31:56Z")
> [@Random\_Rick](#): > > how often I will loose my ship If you are like the vast majority of EvE players, a lot. Might go something like this: [![](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/0/7/078e8a8a4c7aac9322376ac8f33f7a66e0a7c675.jpeg "source: imgur.com")](https://imgur.com/zZbCNXL) [![](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/d/3/d3d6505e05851658240112ce2c8142e3e3fb0366.gif "source: imgur.com")](https://imgur.com/06hSVID) [https://imgur.com/tBovewU](https://imgur.com/tBovewU)[https://i.imgur.com/tBovewU.gif(image larger than 4 MB)](https://i.imgur.com/tBovewU.gif) [![](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/2X/9/97be5c430f0f8795eeace3b65aa8524646a70830.gif "source: imgur.com")](https://imgur.com/TOb1oh0) [![](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/7/c/7c9ebfd63e42544f299f5ee3f058900393282afa.gif "source: imgur.com")](https://imgur.com/zJ8trgS) [![](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/9/5/9506e855ce939accaee2bb2711e214f9f4a6cc34.gif "source: imgur.com")](https://imgur.com/nN2clrG) [![](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/3/5/352b5794360f5a6c53e8528987e6cdbe307853fe.gif "source: imgur.com")](https://imgur.com/g1gIrsG) [![](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/a/8/a8ad939526a978dc29ce3d86cdbec3f2cae4f63b.gif "source: imgur.com")](https://imgur.com/heOG60q) ---
**Author:** ![tutucox\_Khamsi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tutucox_khamsi/32/430743_2.png) [@tutucox\_Khamsi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/tutucox_Khamsi)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2020, 2:36am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/if-pvp-how-often-do-you-loose-a-ship/260436/28 "2020-08-16T02:36:55Z")
seems legit ---
**Author:** ![Random\_Rick](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/random_rick/32/258426_2.png) [@Random\_Rick](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Random_Rick)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2020, 3:14am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/if-pvp-how-often-do-you-loose-a-ship/260436/29 "2020-08-16T03:14:00Z")
so at most I spend 5M to fit my punisher, and every time I go to a faction war site, if I kill another target(an enemy frigate), combined with his loot and the loyalty points, I need to make more than 5M or else I am loosing ISK. is it possible to get that much just from doing these things? ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2020, 3:33am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/if-pvp-how-often-do-you-loose-a-ship/260436/30 "2020-08-16T03:33:23Z")
Right now, your payout will be in terms of learning crucial PvP skills and tactics. It’s like going to college - you spend money in order to gain knowledge. Then, in the future, you might actually be able to PvP with a profit motive in mind. ---
**Author:** ![Oppih\_Nogard](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/oppih_nogard/32/272606_2.png) [@Oppih\_Nogard](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Oppih_Nogard)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2020, 3:38am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/if-pvp-how-often-do-you-loose-a-ship/260436/31 "2020-08-16T03:38:22Z")
I loose to many ships if I get involved with PVP at all… At this juncture I have come to suspect that wide spread large losses just increase CCP and there new partners more real world profits. [![](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/45/196843_2.png "Destiny Corrupted")](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted) [Destiny Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted) That is the very poor analogy … At least you get something from college. ---
**Author:** ![tutucox\_Khamsi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tutucox_khamsi/32/430743_2.png) [@tutucox\_Khamsi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/tutucox_Khamsi)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2020, 3:46am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/if-pvp-how-often-do-you-loose-a-ship/260436/32 "2020-08-16T03:46:00Z")
> [@Random\_Rick](#): > > so at most I spend 5M to fit my punisher, and every time I go to a faction war site, if I kill another target(an enemy frigate), combined with his loot and the loyalty points, I need to make more than 5M or else I am loosing ISK. is it possible to get that much just from doing these things? A LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOT MORE ---
**Author:** ![Vals\_Loeder](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/vals_loeder/32/192416_2.png) [@Vals\_Loeder](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Vals_Loeder)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2020, 9:45am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/if-pvp-how-often-do-you-loose-a-ship/260436/33 "2020-08-16T09:45:43Z")
> [@J\_Poll](#): > > The more you PvP, the more experienced you get the less you will lose ships. Not everybody … points at self. ---
**Author:** ![Random\_Rick](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/random_rick/32/258426_2.png) [@Random\_Rick](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Random_Rick)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2020, 9:50am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/if-pvp-how-often-do-you-loose-a-ship/260436/34 "2020-08-16T09:50:30Z")
well, guess not much I can do to save my ships. I better get out there and fight. knowing that if I kill someone, I would get the money back is reassuring. hope the best for me then. thanks. ---
**Author:** ![Trevor\_Dalech](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/trevor_dalech/32/410287_2.png) [@Trevor\_Dalech](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Trevor_Dalech)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2020, 11:19am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/if-pvp-how-often-do-you-loose-a-ship/260436/35 "2020-08-16T11:19:27Z")
When I first started FW, years ago, I bought 100 cheap (1-2 mil isk) frigates. I think I burnt through nearly all of them before I got my first kill. With time you learn though, and you will be able to risk flying more expensive stuff (giving you more chances at killing stuff) without getting blown up. ---
**Author:** ![Gerard\_Amatin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gerard_amatin/32/481361_2.png) [@Gerard\_Amatin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gerard_Amatin)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2020, 12:51pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/if-pvp-how-often-do-you-loose-a-ship/260436/36 "2020-08-16T12:51:55Z")
> [@Oppih\_Nogard](#): > > That is the very poor analogy … At least you get something from college. I think the idea is that players can learn from losing ships. Spend ISK, get knowledge. If I were to get into 1v1 fights (which I have almost zero experience in) I would expect my first fights to teach me a lot, not that I will end ISK positive. ---
**Author:** ![Daichi\_Yamato](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/daichi_yamato/32/252995_2.png) [@Daichi\_Yamato](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Daichi_Yamato)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2020, 12:41am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/if-pvp-how-often-do-you-loose-a-ship/260436/37 "2020-08-17T00:41:27Z")
> [@Random\_Rick](#): > > I need to make more than 5M Capturing one novices site will do that, even on tier one. Which will probably take your punisher 15-20 mins tops. [https://wiki.eveuniversity.org/Faction\_warfare#Rewards](https://wiki.eveuniversity.org/Faction_warfare#Rewards) Edit- i should specify the site should be in an enemy system (offensive plexing). ---
**Author:** ![Random\_Rick](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/random_rick/32/258426_2.png) [@Random\_Rick](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Random_Rick)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2020, 3:54am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/if-pvp-how-often-do-you-loose-a-ship/260436/38 "2020-08-17T03:54:16Z")
okay, thanks, faction war seems pretty simple now. I should make some money. ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2020, 8:29am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/if-pvp-how-often-do-you-loose-a-ship/260436/39 "2020-08-17T08:29:03Z")
If you return in your ship, its not real PvP ---
**Author:** ![Random\_Rick](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/random_rick/32/258426_2.png) [@Random\_Rick](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Random_Rick)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2020, 8:41am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/if-pvp-how-often-do-you-loose-a-ship/260436/40 "2020-08-17T08:41:49Z")
but I dont do kamikaze either. ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2020, 8:55am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/if-pvp-how-often-do-you-loose-a-ship/260436/41 "2020-08-17T08:55:53Z")
Ships are ammo. Return to base when dry. ---
**Author:** ![system](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/4/1/41ec4921cbaca7a6f9ea556e7cc20018461eae5e.png) [@system](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/system)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2020, 8:55am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/if-pvp-how-often-do-you-loose-a-ship/260436/42 "2020-11-15T08:55:59Z")
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