# If stealing loot in HS is a criminal act, then so should salvaging those wrecks **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [August 19, 2025, 10:45am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/if-stealing-loot-in-hs-is-a-criminal-act-then-so-should-salvaging-those-wrecks/496062 "2025-08-19T10:45:40Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Captain\_Phil](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/captain_phil/32/439809_2.png) [@Captain\_Phil](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Captain_Phil)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2025, 12:59am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/if-stealing-loot-in-hs-is-a-criminal-act-then-so-should-salvaging-those-wrecks/496062/21 "2025-08-20T00:59:49Z")
> [@Joseph\_Gh0sty](#): > > IMO its bad game design to give one player an easy, consequence free way to grief others. I don’t think it’s easy. Scanning down a ship, jumping through acceleration gates, and fitting a salvager for wrecks that you can’t tractor sounds like a huge waste of time. And won’t the mission rats switch targets? I think letting a ninja salvage my wrecks without abandoning them makes **me** the griefer. > [@Gerard\_Amatin](#): > > As long as you don’t touch the contents of the wrecks it’s not illegal to make space trash-free in your Noctis. I’ve never seen the distinction between the wreck and the contents of the wreck. If it’s FFA, then why can’t I use a tractor beam on yellow wrecks (or shoot them) when they’re empty? I think it’s important to point out that salvaging used to not exist. I did some digging into posts from 2008 and found some relevant info: 1. The reason Marauders have tractor bonuses was to help with salvaging during a mission 2. A quote from \*\*GM Faolchu: “\*\*It is within the rules of the game for someone to enter your mission and steal the loot/salvage.” Efforts have been made to make the experience better for the mission runner, and at least one GM implied that salvaging another’s wreck was stealing. Either way, this has been something people have been complaining about since 2008 and I think it’s the least of mission runner’s concerns. ---
**Author:** ![Jethro\_Leroy](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jethro_leroy/32/471026_2.png) [@Jethro\_Leroy](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jethro_Leroy)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2025, 1:47am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/if-stealing-loot-in-hs-is-a-criminal-act-then-so-should-salvaging-those-wrecks/496062/22 "2025-08-20T01:47:10Z")
Nah if looting a wreck is suspect worthy then salvaging within a certain time frame should be too ---
**Author:** ![Sulvy\_Udyr](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sulvy_udyr/32/471028_2.png) [@Sulvy\_Udyr](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sulvy_Udyr)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2025, 2:09am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/if-stealing-loot-in-hs-is-a-criminal-act-then-so-should-salvaging-those-wrecks/496062/23 "2025-08-20T02:09:30Z")
So, you are complaining about “wrecks” not making people go suspect. There is zero reason for them to make anyone go suspect. They are not apart of the loot. You shoot the wreck in HS and you get concorded. The fact that you are complaining about others gameplay because you are a streamer who can’t handle when people come salvage wrecks, is appalling. Ninja salvaging is a legit gameplay method. You farming NPC on a wormhole with infinite spawn is not. Then you complain when people come and mess with it. Maybe if you didn’t broadcast everything like where you are and making “billions”, these “greifers” might not come to HS and bother you. Or maybe you should go to LS or NS and shoot them, oh wait……. ---
**Author:** ![Gealbhan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gealbhan/32/452651_2.png) [@Gealbhan](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gealbhan)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2025, 2:13am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/if-stealing-loot-in-hs-is-a-criminal-act-then-so-should-salvaging-those-wrecks/496062/24 "2025-08-20T02:13:18Z")
Any wrecks I leave behind I flag to blue so anyone can salvage them. ---
**Author:** ![Mykal\_Omara](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mykal_omara/32/390810_2.png) [@Mykal\_Omara](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mykal_Omara)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2025, 3:13am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/if-stealing-loot-in-hs-is-a-criminal-act-then-so-should-salvaging-those-wrecks/496062/25 "2025-08-20T03:13:52Z")
I fully support this idea. There should be no ownership of wrecks at all. ---
**Author:** ![Gerard\_Amatin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gerard_amatin/32/481361_2.png) [@Gerard\_Amatin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gerard_Amatin)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2025, 5:28am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/if-stealing-loot-in-hs-is-a-criminal-act-then-so-should-salvaging-those-wrecks/496062/26 "2025-08-20T05:28:45Z")
> [@Captain\_Phil](#): > > I’ve never seen the distinction between the wreck and the contents of the wreck. If it’s FFA, then why can’t I use a tractor beam on yellow wrecks (or shoot them) when they’re empty? I don’t know, those must be some weird HS rules. We can tractor beam any wrecks here in null as far as I know. I suspect it’s because you cannot simply kill anyone who is annoying you with a MTU in HS? ---
**Author:** ![Spacetramp\_Drago](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/spacetramp_drago/32/480922_2.png) [@Spacetramp\_Drago](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Spacetramp_Drago)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2025, 9:30am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/if-stealing-loot-in-hs-is-a-criminal-act-then-so-should-salvaging-those-wrecks/496062/27 "2025-08-20T09:30:14Z")
I’m not sure about that, I thought it was the same rules in null, but it’s been a while since I was there. ---
**Author:** ![Uriel\_the\_Flame](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/uriel_the_flame/32/490165_2.png) [@Uriel\_the\_Flame](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Uriel_the_Flame)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2025, 9:52am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/if-stealing-loot-in-hs-is-a-criminal-act-then-so-should-salvaging-those-wrecks/496062/28 "2025-08-20T09:52:58Z")
> [@Gerard\_Amatin](#): > > First, stealing loot isn’t a criminal act, it’s merely suspect. You don’t lose your ship to CONCORD if you steal loot. Correct. Related fun fact: Shooting (non-blue) wrecks is a criminal offense. 🤔 People with red safeties on often don’t realize this even if they are mindful of hisec crimewatch rules in general. 💥 😈 ---
**Author:** ![The\_Voice](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/the_voice/32/386683_2.png) [@The\_Voice](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/The_Voice)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2025, 10:33am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/if-stealing-loot-in-hs-is-a-criminal-act-then-so-should-salvaging-those-wrecks/496062/29 "2025-08-20T10:33:15Z")
TBH salvage will be worthless in a few more weeks with the current trend of floading the market. Dooubt many will still do that. ---
**Author:** ![Spacetramp\_Drago](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/spacetramp_drago/32/480922_2.png) [@Spacetramp\_Drago](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Spacetramp_Drago)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2025, 11:32am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/if-stealing-loot-in-hs-is-a-criminal-act-then-so-should-salvaging-those-wrecks/496062/30 "2025-08-20T11:32:28Z")
I will, I always salvage the sites I do. It all sells well so it’s all pure profit and there’s always the chance of a very juicy drop. ---
**Author:** ![Gloria\_Exercitus](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gloria_exercitus/32/509735_2.png) [@Gloria\_Exercitus](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gloria_Exercitus)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2025, 1:34pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/if-stealing-loot-in-hs-is-a-criminal-act-then-so-should-salvaging-those-wrecks/496062/31 "2025-08-20T13:34:14Z")
> [@Joseph\_Gh0sty](#): > > Please show support for this post if you would like CCP to make salvaging yellow wrecks (meaning you don’t own them) a flaggable offense, meaning they become suspect and can be fired upon freely by other capsuleers. LOL. A few days back, I zapped a suspect Vedmak in Jita. I ran off, as the loot surely couldn’t be worth all that much. Five minutes later…I suddenly received a contract for 230m ISK worth of stuff. Amazingly for EVE, someone else had looted the wreck, which had blingy stuff, and passed it on to me. ---
**Author:** ![Syzygium](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/syzygium/32/510263_2.png) [@Syzygium](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Syzygium)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2025, 1:47pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/if-stealing-loot-in-hs-is-a-criminal-act-then-so-should-salvaging-those-wrecks/496062/32 "2025-08-20T13:47:32Z")
Consistent solution: - if you “create” a wreck by shooting a ship, deployable or structure, you get “ownership rights” to this wreck as long as you stay close to it (same grid). If anyone else tries to loot it or salvage it, he gets a supect timer and you can shoot him. Other player’s MTUs do not auto-tractor them. - if you leave the grid, all wrecks go abandoned after 15 minutes. Anyone can freely tractor, loot and salvage it. If you come back before the 15 minutes are over, the timer is reset. This way, “suspect baiting” is still possible. On the other hand, people who specialize in Looting and Salvaging unused sites can make a business out of it by scanning for Missionrunners and checking if those come back and loot/salvage or not. ---
**Author:** ![Akkar\_Kardashev](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/akkar_kardashev/32/514189_2.png) [@Akkar\_Kardashev](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Akkar_Kardashev)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2025, 9:12pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/if-stealing-loot-in-hs-is-a-criminal-act-then-so-should-salvaging-those-wrecks/496062/33 "2025-08-20T21:12:24Z")
Yes but usually when a site despawns all the wrecks go with it, so what you’re asking for here maybe comprises additional persistence of the wrecks. I’m not sure they’ll go for that. ---
**Author:** ![Syzygium](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/syzygium/32/510263_2.png) [@Syzygium](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Syzygium)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2025, 9:41pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/if-stealing-loot-in-hs-is-a-criminal-act-then-so-should-salvaging-those-wrecks/496062/34 "2025-08-20T21:41:38Z")
> [@Akkar\_Kardashev](#): > > Yes but usually when a site despawns all the wrecks go with it, Where do you get that idea from? Most missions in HS or combat sites in WH space we loot and salvage _long_ after the sites have despawned. And the wrecks of course stay there for the full two hours. ---
**Author:** ![Rocket\_Hellfire](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/rocket_hellfire/32/396905_2.png) [@Rocket\_Hellfire](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Rocket_Hellfire)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2025, 10:54pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/if-stealing-loot-in-hs-is-a-criminal-act-then-so-should-salvaging-those-wrecks/496062/35 "2025-08-21T22:54:27Z")
Salvage isn’t loot. You don’t ‘steal’ salvage from wrecks. I applaud all those who clear our overviews of such detestable trash. ---
**Author:** ![Zaera\_Keena](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zaera_keena/32/449938_2.png) [@Zaera\_Keena](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zaera_Keena)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2025, 12:19am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/if-stealing-loot-in-hs-is-a-criminal-act-then-so-should-salvaging-those-wrecks/496062/36 "2025-08-22T00:19:40Z")
Will let you in on a secret - with one click you can clear your overview of such detestable trash. ---
**Author:** ![Gerard\_Amatin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gerard_amatin/32/481361_2.png) [@Gerard\_Amatin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gerard_Amatin)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2025, 6:10am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/if-stealing-loot-in-hs-is-a-criminal-act-then-so-should-salvaging-those-wrecks/496062/37 "2025-08-22T06:10:13Z")
Hiding all the trash from your overview won’t make it disappear though. It can still decloak you. ---
**Author:** ![MB\_ThePhotographer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mb_thephotographer/32/373722_2.png) [@MB\_ThePhotographer](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/MB_ThePhotographer)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2025, 2:55am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/if-stealing-loot-in-hs-is-a-criminal-act-then-so-should-salvaging-those-wrecks/496062/38 "2025-08-24T02:55:01Z")
> [@Gerard\_Amatin](#): > > It can still decloak you. Yeah, that’s a possibility. But how often does it realistically happen with wrecks? ---
**Author:** ![Syzygium](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/syzygium/32/510263_2.png) [@Syzygium](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Syzygium)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2025, 3:21am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/if-stealing-loot-in-hs-is-a-criminal-act-then-so-should-salvaging-those-wrecks/496062/39 "2025-08-24T03:21:12Z")
If you try to catch someone running CombatSites in a WH and trying to get a good warpin for your Interdictor with a CovOps without alerting him with combat probes, you definitely have to fly carefully around the wrecks in the site. ---
**Author:** ![MB\_ThePhotographer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mb_thephotographer/32/373722_2.png) [@MB\_ThePhotographer](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/MB_ThePhotographer)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2025, 11:08pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/if-stealing-loot-in-hs-is-a-criminal-act-then-so-should-salvaging-those-wrecks/496062/40 "2025-08-24T23:08:27Z")
I work my way into a roid field no problem. I kinda like sneaking up on players who think their buried so deep in the environment, they can’t get caught, if that’s what you mean. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/if-stealing-loot-in-hs-is-a-criminal-act-then-so-should-salvaging-those-wrecks/496062.md?page=1) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/if-stealing-loot-in-hs-is-a-criminal-act-then-so-should-salvaging-those-wrecks/496062.md?page=3)