# If the number of players on the server is not higher by this time next year **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [August 16, 2023, 9:32am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/if-the-number-of-players-on-the-server-is-not-higher-by-this-time-next-year/416161 "2023-08-16T09:32:28Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 14
**Author:** ![Aisha\_Katalen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aisha_katalen/32/387724_2.png) [@Aisha\_Katalen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aisha_Katalen)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2023, 12:48am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/if-the-number-of-players-on-the-server-is-not-higher-by-this-time-next-year/416161/265 "2023-08-25T00:48:23Z")
There already is a 500k isk bonus for having played for 2 hours (actual played time) so there’s precedent for this to happen. They could do first two ticks for 1 mil, then two for 5 mil followed by 3 ticks for 10 mil. Total 42 mil and together with the income from the career tuts and whatever else they do that gives them enough to get something decent or risk a bunch of cheap ships. ---
**Author:** ![Anthony\_FatTony\_Amico](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anthony_fattony_amico/32/391106_2.png) [@Anthony\_FatTony\_Amico](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anthony_FatTony_Amico)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2023, 12:58am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/if-the-number-of-players-on-the-server-is-not-higher-by-this-time-next-year/416161/266 "2023-08-25T00:58:08Z")
When can I raid other player’s PI ccp?! Why is PI pretty much in a bubble compared to all the other indy? Such as anthnors, mining in a fleet, and attacking haulers? My PI setup will never be harmed ever. Unless someone bothers to kill POCO. **I remember this one person who talked about jumping around NS. And strategically DEPLETEING planets as a form of PI PVP.** ---
**Author:** ![Dyver\_Phycad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dyver_phycad/32/358575_2.png) [@Dyver\_Phycad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dyver_Phycad)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2023, 4:44am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/if-the-number-of-players-on-the-server-is-not-higher-by-this-time-next-year/416161/267 "2023-08-25T04:44:54Z")
> [@Cypherous](#): > > No its because i have a good imagination that i, like CCP, am able to see how utterly pointless it actually is, i’ve already detailed the reasons why it wouldn’t work above so i’m not going to bother repeating myself You indeed don’t need to repeat your lack of vision. CCP agrees with you since they also dropped their vision, too. That does not mean other people should just do the same and become as boring and unimaginative as you or CCP. Everything I described is _within_ EVE, not outside or in a different game. ---
**Author:** ![Wes\_Wyhunnan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/wes_wyhunnan/32/409400_2.png) [@Wes\_Wyhunnan](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Wes_Wyhunnan)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2023, 4:47am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/if-the-number-of-players-on-the-server-is-not-higher-by-this-time-next-year/416161/268 "2023-08-25T04:47:54Z")
> [@Destiny\_Corrupted](#): > > Boomer won’t understand these things. Their only concern is how much ISK is in the wallet, and what kind of meat will be on the plate for dinner tonight. You’re expecting way more self-awareness than reasonable from someone who was literally trained not to possess any. Your boomer takes always come out of nowhere. You always have these well thought out points, and then suddenly you get overcome by emotion somewhere and yell “also old people suck because I can’t afford to buy a house in real life!” ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2023, 4:52am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/if-the-number-of-players-on-the-server-is-not-higher-by-this-time-next-year/416161/269 "2023-08-25T04:52:48Z")
Destiny should do what I did. 1. Get married 2. Immediately divorce him 3. Free House 4. Repeat ---
**Author:** ![Dreg\_Apc](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dreg_apc/32/381263_2.png) [@Dreg\_Apc](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dreg_Apc)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2023, 5:05am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/if-the-number-of-players-on-the-server-is-not-higher-by-this-time-next-year/416161/270 "2023-08-25T05:05:24Z")
#Matriachy ---
**Author:** ![Dreg\_Apc](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dreg_apc/32/381263_2.png) [@Dreg\_Apc](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dreg_Apc)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2023, 5:08am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/if-the-number-of-players-on-the-server-is-not-higher-by-this-time-next-year/416161/272 "2023-08-25T05:08:02Z")
> [@Destiny\_Corrupted](#): > > - Start new players off with a bunch of skill points, either applied or as free SP, with limitations on what it SP can be applied to so that players don’t do something stupid like, say, put everything into mining right away. > - Steer players toward more engaging starter content that is combat/exploration-focused. Mining should be seen as a side activity, and not the “main job.” > - Give players a [universal income](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/evolving-eve-a-universal-income/285731) of some sort, so that new players don’t feel too demoralized to keep playing when they take heavy losses, since they know that more money is right around the corner. > - Integrate PvP content into the NPE, and ensure that PvP is prevalent as a primary activity during the new player formative period. So you want to do more of the same. How about just making a game you enjoy? ---
**Author:** ![Iceacid\_Frostpacker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/iceacid_frostpacker/32/505689_2.png) [@Iceacid\_Frostpacker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Iceacid_Frostpacker)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2023, 5:09am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/if-the-number-of-players-on-the-server-is-not-higher-by-this-time-next-year/416161/273 "2023-08-25T05:09:48Z")
Don’t think so, I reckon D wants change to the way Wardecs function as a whole. ---
**Author:** ![Dreg\_Apc](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dreg_apc/32/381263_2.png) [@Dreg\_Apc](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dreg_Apc)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2023, 5:13am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/if-the-number-of-players-on-the-server-is-not-higher-by-this-time-next-year/416161/274 "2023-08-25T05:13:50Z")
Some people here need to take a course in philosophy. Or several. You do not steer people, ever. And forget about this NPE. People are here to play a game they are not here to be told what to do or steered in any direction. They are here to have fun and to explore. When you steer them and force them through a tutorial, it turns them off. Minecraft is the best example i can think off, its the most popular PC game in the world. People also believe it appeals to kids. Lets say that is true. Well kids need the most hand holding am i right? They dont know anything. But when they start minecraft it just puts them right into the world with no tutorial. The game just starts and they have to figure everything out themselves. How can a game that works like that become the most popular game in the world? ---
**Author:** ![Dreg\_Apc](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dreg_apc/32/381263_2.png) [@Dreg\_Apc](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dreg_Apc)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2023, 9:57am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/if-the-number-of-players-on-the-server-is-not-higher-by-this-time-next-year/416161/275 "2023-08-25T09:57:00Z")
You steer a horse or a car, not a player or a person. Thats rule number 1 imo. ---
**Author:** ![Dyver\_Phycad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dyver_phycad/32/358575_2.png) [@Dyver\_Phycad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dyver_Phycad)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2023, 10:38am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/if-the-number-of-players-on-the-server-is-not-higher-by-this-time-next-year/416161/276 "2023-08-25T10:38:17Z")
> [@Destiny\_Corrupted](#): > > Integrate PvP content into the NPE, and ensure that PvP is prevalent as a primary activity during the new player formative period. Like this for example: Something you could do to accustom people to loss or more dangerous areas could be a special mission in the Advanced Military Career path to, for instance, bring an item into low sec. In this mission you are supposed to build your own ship or buy it, you get a fitting from the Community Fittings (which would be a great way to make more use of them and introduce new people to them) and have to source the modules as well, either by buying or building. Then you are sent on your way to a low sec area which has different ways to get into. For instance, if you start as Amarr in Sehmy in Kor-Azor region, you get a mission to Daran in Kor-Azor region, which has 3 different access ways via Ami, Gademam and Noranim from Genesis. Ami is usually camped so people would probably die there. The mission could introduce people to killboards as well and how to check systems for adversarial activity before you yolo in. If you lose the ship with the mission item, you don’t get a standings hit, could still get a base reward (reward could be base reward for “heroic scouting the area for hostile activity” and bonus reward for successful delivery), and you could get the additional info on the combat. No new features or functionalities needed, everything is possible in the current mission framework and you have a nice introduction to destruction and dangerous space beyond the somewhat static Military career agent ship loss tutorial. ---
**Author:** ![Dreg\_Apc](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dreg_apc/32/381263_2.png) [@Dreg\_Apc](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dreg_Apc)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2023, 10:47am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/if-the-number-of-players-on-the-server-is-not-higher-by-this-time-next-year/416161/277 "2023-08-25T10:47:53Z")
You people are not listening. Not only do you think its possible to steer people, you also seem to think its something they would enjoy. Its no wonder the game is in the state it is when this approach is what seems to dominate the discussions. “We Can JusT SteeR PeOPle IntO PvP NO biGGie” ---
**Author:** ![Cypherous](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/cypherous/32/499883_2.png) [@Cypherous](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Cypherous)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2023, 10:48am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/if-the-number-of-players-on-the-server-is-not-higher-by-this-time-next-year/416161/278 "2023-08-25T10:48:27Z")
> [@Dyver\_Phycad](#): > > Everything I described is _within_ EVE, not outside or in a different game. And as we have already established, there won’t be any avatar content in EVE because it serves no real purpose, so no it wouldn’t be within EVE, if the new shooter ever actually arrives it will be a standalone product, but i have my doubts it will ever actually see the light of day So yeah, what content within the EVE universe do you think can actually be done with planets ---
**Author:** ![Dyver\_Phycad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dyver_phycad/32/358575_2.png) [@Dyver\_Phycad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dyver_Phycad)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2023, 11:47am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/if-the-number-of-players-on-the-server-is-not-higher-by-this-time-next-year/416161/279 "2023-08-25T11:47:33Z")
> [@Dreg\_Apc](#): > > “We Can JusT SteeR PeOPle IntO PvP NO biGGie” That’s what literally every single game does. Even people like Cypher managed to overcome this. It really is no biggie, you just have to do it right. With the right motivation and encouragement and the right setting, this introductory experience can be a valuable lesson for the new players. If they do not really lose anything and only gain things/knowledge/understanding, it’s actually very helpful for their comprehension of more aspects of the game. That’s not rocket science. ---
**Author:** ![Spacetramp\_Drago](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/spacetramp_drago/32/480922_2.png) [@Spacetramp\_Drago](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Spacetramp_Drago)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2023, 12:41pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/if-the-number-of-players-on-the-server-is-not-higher-by-this-time-next-year/416161/280 "2023-08-25T12:41:36Z")
"It wasn’t the 25-year-olds who raised the average rent for a studio apartment to over $3,000. With a combined tax rate of nearly 50% for a single filer, earning $100,000 (which is twice the national median) leaves you with $14,000 to live on after paying for housing. There’s a reason for these figures, and it’s _not_ “avocado toast”: You’re talking about a completely different country so just keep your comments to Americans and stop presuming and throwing insults around. ---
**Author:** ![Dreg\_Apc](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dreg_apc/32/381263_2.png) [@Dreg\_Apc](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dreg_Apc)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2023, 1:08pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/if-the-number-of-players-on-the-server-is-not-higher-by-this-time-next-year/416161/281 "2023-08-25T13:08:11Z")
It took me a long time to get into PVP, and i did it because i was bored. It was time. If CCP had tries to force me into it i probably wouldnt have gotten into it sooner. It can also have unintended consequences. For example if you create a mission that sends nobies into low sec that gate is just going to be camped all day long. The nobie learns practically nothing imo. But who knows. ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2023, 1:15pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/if-the-number-of-players-on-the-server-is-not-higher-by-this-time-next-year/416161/282 "2023-08-25T13:15:25Z")
> [@Spacetramp\_Drago](#): > > You’re talking about a completely different country so just keep your comments to Americans and stop presuming and throwing insults around. So you’re from a place that doesn’t even matter? Good to know. Hey, shouldn’t you be throwing a tantrum over an exploded mining barge or something? ---
**Author:** ![Skylar\_Cloud](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/skylar_cloud/32/417720_2.png) [@Skylar\_Cloud](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Skylar_Cloud)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2023, 1:22pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/if-the-number-of-players-on-the-server-is-not-higher-by-this-time-next-year/416161/283 "2023-08-25T13:22:24Z")
YEAH! Because 'Mericans are the only ones who can afford to play this game god damn it! ---
**Author:** ![Spacetramp\_Drago](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/spacetramp_drago/32/480922_2.png) [@Spacetramp\_Drago](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Spacetramp_Drago)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2023, 5:20pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/if-the-number-of-players-on-the-server-is-not-higher-by-this-time-next-year/416161/284 "2023-08-25T17:20:28Z")
Your input and attitude became irrelevant the moment you started with the insults, cya. ---
**Author:** ![Wes\_Wyhunnan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/wes_wyhunnan/32/409400_2.png) [@Wes\_Wyhunnan](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Wes_Wyhunnan)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2023, 3:35am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/if-the-number-of-players-on-the-server-is-not-higher-by-this-time-next-year/416161/285 "2023-08-26T03:35:53Z")
> [@Destiny\_Corrupted](#): > > This post was flagged by the community and is temporarily hidden. I wanted to point out that I did not do that and now I don’t know what you said, which is annoying. I’m sure you had a pretty decent response which was obviously amusing enough to annoy someone. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/if-the-number-of-players-on-the-server-is-not-higher-by-this-time-next-year/416161.md?page=13) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/if-the-number-of-players-on-the-server-is-not-higher-by-this-time-next-year/416161.md?page=15)